Constantinople
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Beutiful! Have you seen the maps for post war some people thought up: https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=10468&page=13&pp=20
Its on that page anyways..
Its on that page anyways..
Ok, I see it now. I missed the little border mark there.Thande said:Indeed it is, and so it is marked on my maps. Perhaps my colours for the U.S. and Mexico are too similar?
Constantinople said:Have you made a map for the fronts in 1942, with france controling quite a bit? And the US w/ occupied Ohio?
1864-George McClellanThande said:E.g.
1862 - Lost Orders aren't, Confederates win at Antietam. Lee campaigns up into Pennsylvania. Britain and France recognise CSA and offer to mediate a peace, being partisan on the side of the CSA.
1863 - U.S. is forced to concede independence of the CSA.
1864 - Lincoln voted out of office and replaced with a Democrat (who?)
1867 - Dominion of Canada chartered as OTL, Alaska stays Russian; Davis finishes his term and is replaced by Lee
1868 - Democrat re-elected
1870 - Prussia beats France as OTL
1871 - Germany is unified; Lee dies in office and is succeeded by his VP, whoever that is(?)
1872 - another Democrat is elected POTUS
1873 - (Unknown) elected POTCS
1875(?) - Confederates "persuade" (ahem) Cuba and, I conjecture, Puerto Rico away from the Spanish
1876 - Russo-Turkish War as OTL? Second Democrat is re-elected POTUS
1880 - James Longstreet elected POTCS, James G Blaine elected POTUS (the first Republican since Lincoln)
1881-2 - the Second Mexican War (as depicted in How Few Remain); CSA, Britain and France defeat USA and CSA gains Chihuahua and Sonora. The USA institutes changes that will lead to conscription and an alliance with Germany. The CSA's slaves are manumitted as requested by Britain and France, but remain decidedly second class citizens. Lincoln leads the left wing of the Republicans away to merge with the Socialists; the Republicans will never be a serious political force again.
1895(?) - Britain officially annexes the Sandwich Islands (OTL Hawaii)
1898/9(?) - Hispano-Japanese War - the Japanese take the Philippines, Guam, and the other Pacific possessions of Spain (Turtledove mentions this was 'just before the turn of the century').
1890s/1900s - attempts by either USA or CSA to dig a Panama Canal are vetoed by the other, with threat of war. Sometime during these decades, the Indian Territory (as Sequoyah), Sonora, Chihuahua and Cuba become C.S. states, and Montana, Idaho, Washington, Dakota (as one state), Wyoming, Utah and New Mexico (as one state) become U.S. states. The alliance structure of OTL comes into place, but Italy is a more enthusiastic ally of Germany and Austria-Hungary. Canada and the CSA introduce conscription.
1912 - the Titanic sinks (I believe this also happened in Turtledove?)
1914 - the Great War begins (after this, Turtledove's books provide a continuous record of history, at least in America).
No, those are just guesses on my part.Thande said:Thank you. Is that canonical in Turtledove or are you just guessing? I suppose Lincoln's opponent in 1864 is probably the same as OTL, but what about Pendleton in 18672/6?
Constantinople said:Oh BTW panama is still part of Columbia. It ways something about how'd they I wish they'd make a canal through columbia's panama province. This is when the are rounding the horn.