Groovy!! I certainly didn't expect that one!!! Definitely keep them coming!
The Luciferian Crusade: A Collaborative Timeline
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I think the analogue to the Tea Party movement in this timeline should be named the American Eagle Party, as a tribute both to Major Major's The Ride of the Foxleys and to the Aberrant role playing game. They would be more xenophobic and fanatical in real life, doubtless inspired by LC or Cobra skullduggery.
Also, this guy should most definitely show up sometime: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amleto_Vespa
Also, this guy should most definitely show up sometime: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amleto_Vespa
Expanding on my previous contribution...
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July 26, 2004
After a contentious primary season, Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman narrowly defeats Wisconsin Senator (and fellow Connecticut native, incidentally) Ralph Nader on the first ballot. Chicago Mayor Carol Mosely Braun, who's support for Lieberman allowed him to take the nomination, is in turn nominated for the Vice-Presidency, the first time a female has had that distinction in American history.
At the conclusion of the divided convention, incumbent President Donald Rumsfeld leads Lieberman in the polls by twenty points.
September 3, 2004
The Rumsfeld reelection campaign takes a stunning hit after a cybernet video goes viral where an unnamed citizen, when questioned on who he will vote for come November, replies "Well, didn't Rummy let Washington get nuked?"
The effect kills whatever lead Rumsfeld had left by that point, and the race will be too close to call until Election Day.
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July 26, 2004
After a contentious primary season, Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman narrowly defeats Wisconsin Senator (and fellow Connecticut native, incidentally) Ralph Nader on the first ballot. Chicago Mayor Carol Mosely Braun, who's support for Lieberman allowed him to take the nomination, is in turn nominated for the Vice-Presidency, the first time a female has had that distinction in American history.
At the conclusion of the divided convention, incumbent President Donald Rumsfeld leads Lieberman in the polls by twenty points.
September 3, 2004
The Rumsfeld reelection campaign takes a stunning hit after a cybernet video goes viral where an unnamed citizen, when questioned on who he will vote for come November, replies "Well, didn't Rummy let Washington get nuked?"
The effect kills whatever lead Rumsfeld had left by that point, and the race will be too close to call until Election Day.
I can certainly accept the logic in that!! Definitely put together something!!
Well, my goal will be to look at the political consequences of these actions. So...
May 7, 1970
A brain-damaged Mao Zedong, still reeling from his injuries in the aborted coup, publicly blames the attack on the Soviets, whom he labels "revisionist traitors"...
The Ussuri River War
Started in August with a minor skirmish on Zhenbao Island between Chinese and Soviet troops, when Mao used the incident to start a war on the USSR. After being repulsed from Vladivostok in November, Mao loses it and orders a nuclear attack on the Soviet Union. One of his generals quietly shoots him in the head.
The war ends later that month with the cession of the disputed territory to the USSR.
c.1991
Stronnictwo Narodowe takes power in post-communist Poland. Described by many as "the Catholic answer to the Ayatollah", Maciej Giertych is the new President. The regime is theocratic and anti-semitic, and expresses a desire to export it's ideology throughout Central Europe.
c. 1993
Cash-strapped Russia sells the Kaliningrad Oblast to Germany. It's slated to become a German state by 2000 and is renamed "Prussia".
Polish President Maciej Giertych condemns the action as an attempt to encircle "Holy Poland"...
1992 Presidential Election (note: first presidential election different than OTL)
George H.W. Bush narrowly loses renomination to Maryland Senator Alan Keyes, darling of the conservative movement (note: no Iraq War, therefore no popularity boost; conservatives FAR more pissed at him going back on "no new taxes". California Governor George Deukmejian becomes his running mate.
Democrats nominate New York Governor Mario Cuomo for President and Massachusetts Senator Paul Tsongas for Vice-President.
The election is surprisingly won by independent candidate Ross Perot. His running mate was General Colin Powell, hero of the South African War.
July 3, 1993
Ross Perot dies in a plane crash. Colin Powell assumes the Presidency.
May 7, 1970
A brain-damaged Mao Zedong, still reeling from his injuries in the aborted coup, publicly blames the attack on the Soviets, whom he labels "revisionist traitors"...
The Ussuri River War
Started in August with a minor skirmish on Zhenbao Island between Chinese and Soviet troops, when Mao used the incident to start a war on the USSR. After being repulsed from Vladivostok in November, Mao loses it and orders a nuclear attack on the Soviet Union. One of his generals quietly shoots him in the head.
The war ends later that month with the cession of the disputed territory to the USSR.
c.1991
Stronnictwo Narodowe takes power in post-communist Poland. Described by many as "the Catholic answer to the Ayatollah", Maciej Giertych is the new President. The regime is theocratic and anti-semitic, and expresses a desire to export it's ideology throughout Central Europe.
c. 1993
Cash-strapped Russia sells the Kaliningrad Oblast to Germany. It's slated to become a German state by 2000 and is renamed "Prussia".
Polish President Maciej Giertych condemns the action as an attempt to encircle "Holy Poland"...
1992 Presidential Election (note: first presidential election different than OTL)
George H.W. Bush narrowly loses renomination to Maryland Senator Alan Keyes, darling of the conservative movement (note: no Iraq War, therefore no popularity boost; conservatives FAR more pissed at him going back on "no new taxes". California Governor George Deukmejian becomes his running mate.
Democrats nominate New York Governor Mario Cuomo for President and Massachusetts Senator Paul Tsongas for Vice-President.
The election is surprisingly won by independent candidate Ross Perot. His running mate was General Colin Powell, hero of the South African War.
July 3, 1993
Ross Perot dies in a plane crash. Colin Powell assumes the Presidency.
That will certainly work!! Are there any ideas for PODs for the task force that will be used to combat the "Luciferian Crusade"?
You mean the current "War on Terror" analogue started by the Washington/Leningrad nukings? I'll have to think...
Should there be some effects on pop culture for the ATL? During the 1960s, there were rumors by the right-wing that the Beatles and Elvis Presley were part of a "Satanic conspiracy".
Certainly... Would they be as adversaries (e.g. "Black Hawk", DC Comics) or as allies (e.g. Ares Industries & Extensive Enterprises for COBRA)? Either way, it could certainly add some flavor to the fight..
July 4, 1993
Colin Powell is officially inaugurated on the nation's birthday. He names a moderate Republican, Massachusetts Senator Mitt Romney, as his Vice President after former Democratic vice-presidential candidate Paul Tsongas declines.
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Here's a suggested list of Presidents in the TL (everyone before this is OTL, for reference). If there are any complaints, just tell me
Ross Perot/Colin Powell: January 20, 1993-July 3, 1993
Colin Powell/Mitt Romney: July 4, 1993-January 20, 2001
Donald Rumsfeld/Pat Buchanan: January 20, 2001-December 3, 2004
Pat Buchanan/OFFICE VACANT: December 3, 2004-January 20, 2005
Joseph Lieberman/Carol Mosely Braun: January 20, 2005-January 20, 2013
Mitt Romney/Gary Johnson: January 20, 2013-?
Colin Powell is officially inaugurated on the nation's birthday. He names a moderate Republican, Massachusetts Senator Mitt Romney, as his Vice President after former Democratic vice-presidential candidate Paul Tsongas declines.
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Here's a suggested list of Presidents in the TL (everyone before this is OTL, for reference). If there are any complaints, just tell me
Ross Perot/Colin Powell: January 20, 1993-July 3, 1993
Colin Powell/Mitt Romney: July 4, 1993-January 20, 2001
Donald Rumsfeld/Pat Buchanan: January 20, 2001-December 3, 2004
Pat Buchanan/OFFICE VACANT: December 3, 2004-January 20, 2005
Joseph Lieberman/Carol Mosely Braun: January 20, 2005-January 20, 2013
Mitt Romney/Gary Johnson: January 20, 2013-?
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Sorry for hijacking the tread a little but I have the idea for a timeline where William Walker's Immortals succeed in setting up a filibuster republic in Nicaragua in 1855. By 2011 they have basically morphed into a Blackwater-esque organization, except on a much larger scale.
Here's a rough timeline for anyone who's interested, but I'll warn you I did not take the butterfly effect into account:
After consolidating hold over Nicaragua, for the first 15 years or so, Walker tries to export his vision of manifest destiny to various points in Central and South America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Circle_(proposed_country)
The start of the American Civil War puts an end to the Nicaraguan Immortals' filibustering, but the influx of new immigrants from the defeated confederacy and the creation of a trans-isthmus canal in Nicaragua helps to secure their peculiar institution for some time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_Canal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederados
Eventually, intense pressure by the US and UK forces Nicaragua to abolish slavery but by this time they have established themselves domestically and are too important internationally through their control over the canal to be pushed out of power.
Nicaragua's wealth fuels the creation of one of the greatest commercial fleets in the Western Hemisphere, making Nicaragua a key player in the growing trans-pacific trade. Nicaragua gains concessions from China following the second Anglo-Chinese war and establishes coaling stations and trading posts across the Pacific.
By the end of the century, Nicaraguan plantation owners make the transition to industrial fruit farming. And Nicaragua becomes crucial in the economy of neighboring central american states, as well as Hawaii. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dole
The Nicaraguan Immortals fight side by side with TR's Rough Riders in Cuba. Through gunboat diplomacy the Nicaraguan navy helps to enforce the roosevelt corrollary of the monroe doctrine side by side with the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_Riders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_Corollary
Nicaraguan industries gave support to Franco's Spanish Nationalists and the all volunteer "Immortal Brigade" fought alongside the Condor Legion against the Spanish Republic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_–_United_States_relations#United_States_and_the_Spanish_Civil_War
However, like Franco's Spain, Nicaragua would refuse to join the Axis, despite Hitler's promises. Instead, Nicaragua cooperated with the US military to defend the canal against a possible Axis invasion and formally declared war on the Axis powers after D-Day.
Over the 20th century Nicaragua saw a steady trickle of immigration ranging from Boers, White Russians, Germans, Anti-Castro Cubans, to Biafran, Iranian and Hmong refugees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hmong_people#The_.22Secret_War.22
In the cold war world Nicaragua would tread a careful course. Nicaragua became a founding member of NATO and participated in the Korean War. At the same time Nicaragua would be a key supporter of South Africa, Rhodesia, and Pre-revolutionary Portugal.
Economically, Nicaragua develops into an exporter of illegal narcotics. Its banking sector becomes known as the Switzerland of Central America, and is a haven for drug dealers and dictators. Nicaraguans also become the middle men between the narcotics producers in Afghanistan, Colombia and other nations, and oganized crime in Miami.
Militarily, Nicaraguan Immortals continue to be active in conflicts as diverse as supporting the South Sudanese during the Sudanese civil war, to fighting the Shining Path in Peru. Nicaraguan officials have been linked to the Zeta crime syndicate in Mexico. At the same time Nicaragua is one of the largest international supporters of the UN-backed TGF in Somalia, and a key ally of the US in the war on terror.
Again, sorry for hijacking this thread. Its been really great so far.
Masri - If you can make it make sense within the context of the ATL, I am perfectly willing to allow the PODs. The trick is to make sure that they don't "butterfly" too many events within the ATL.
I think you're going wrong with the whole 'Free Nazi's' stuff.
Better bet would be something like a Comintern which had broken free of Soviet control. Stalin was always the worst thing that happened to international communism, with his relentless insistence on using it as a russian tool, and pretty much cutting the throat of indigenous movements.
That pact with Hitler over Poland really upset a lot of grass roots leftists. I could see a situation happening where there's a serious break between the Comintern and the Soviet Union, at least to the point where an international faction breaks off and establishes itself as a rival. Such a movement would be an underdog to the mainstream communists lead by the USSR. Which might push it into serious radicalism and forming a sort of international terrorist network.
Of course, where would such a group get its funding and weapons? Tricky.
Better bet would be something like a Comintern which had broken free of Soviet control. Stalin was always the worst thing that happened to international communism, with his relentless insistence on using it as a russian tool, and pretty much cutting the throat of indigenous movements.
That pact with Hitler over Poland really upset a lot of grass roots leftists. I could see a situation happening where there's a serious break between the Comintern and the Soviet Union, at least to the point where an international faction breaks off and establishes itself as a rival. Such a movement would be an underdog to the mainstream communists lead by the USSR. Which might push it into serious radicalism and forming a sort of international terrorist network.
Of course, where would such a group get its funding and weapons? Tricky.
Don't worry, there will certainly be enough leftist PODs to the "Luciferian Crusade". But as you mentioned, one of the major problems is how to deal with financial backing and weapons. If you can think up some ideas of how hte Comintern would be able to finance its operations after 1945, I would certainly be open to any ideas and PODs...
Here are the promised leftist PODs:
1948: (4/9)- "Luciferian Crusade" members take credit for the attempted assassination of President Jorge Eliécer Gaitán Ayala in Bogota, Colombia...
1971: (9/25) Oleg Lyalin defects from the "Luciferian Crusade" warning of a possible attempt to flood the London Underground
1979: (6/25) NATO Supreme Allied Commander (SAC) General Alexander Haig is assassinated by "Luciferian Crusade" members...
1981: (9/15) General Frederick J. Kroesen, U.S. Army is assassinated in Heidelberg, West Germany, sparking international attention....
1983: (1/28) "Luciferian Crusade" members detonate a car bomb outside the Federal Building in New York City, New York...
1983: (11/7) "Luciferian Crusade" bomb the U.S. Senate in Washington D.C., sparking national attention and concern...
1984: (4/5) "Luciferian Crusade" members bomb a military aircraft factory in Tel Aviv, Israel, sparking regional tensions...
1984: (12/18) "Luciferian Crusade" bombs the NATO Officer Training Center in Oberammergau, West Germany, killing 13 people....
1985: (2/23) "Luciferian Crusade" members bomb 1 Police Plaza, the central command center for the New York Police Department (NYPD) in New York City, New York, killing 23 people...
1948: (4/9)- "Luciferian Crusade" members take credit for the attempted assassination of President Jorge Eliécer Gaitán Ayala in Bogota, Colombia...
1971: (9/25) Oleg Lyalin defects from the "Luciferian Crusade" warning of a possible attempt to flood the London Underground
1979: (6/25) NATO Supreme Allied Commander (SAC) General Alexander Haig is assassinated by "Luciferian Crusade" members...
1981: (9/15) General Frederick J. Kroesen, U.S. Army is assassinated in Heidelberg, West Germany, sparking international attention....
1983: (1/28) "Luciferian Crusade" members detonate a car bomb outside the Federal Building in New York City, New York...
1983: (11/7) "Luciferian Crusade" bomb the U.S. Senate in Washington D.C., sparking national attention and concern...
1984: (4/5) "Luciferian Crusade" members bomb a military aircraft factory in Tel Aviv, Israel, sparking regional tensions...
1984: (12/18) "Luciferian Crusade" bombs the NATO Officer Training Center in Oberammergau, West Germany, killing 13 people....
1985: (2/23) "Luciferian Crusade" members bomb 1 Police Plaza, the central command center for the New York Police Department (NYPD) in New York City, New York, killing 23 people...
Here are a few pop culture changes caused by the ATL:
1952: Invasion U.S.A. film directed by Robert Stevenson shows the "Luciferian Crusade" as the pawns of the Soviet Union...
1962: The Luciferian Candidate directed by John Frankenheimer, starring Frank Sinatra, Angela Lansbury, and Lawrence Harvey, details a plot by the "Luciferian Crusade" to infiltrate the American presidency...
1965: The Looking Glass War by John le Carré details MI5 efforts to capture and infiltrate the "Luciferian Crusade", becoming a major bestseller....
1987: No Way Out starring Kevin Costner, Gene Hackman, and Sean Young details a "Luciferian Crusade" cell operating in Washington D.C.,...
1988: Cardinal of the Kremlin by Tom Clancy details "Luciferian Crusade" infiltration of the KGB, becoming a major bestseller...
1952: Invasion U.S.A. film directed by Robert Stevenson shows the "Luciferian Crusade" as the pawns of the Soviet Union...
1962: The Luciferian Candidate directed by John Frankenheimer, starring Frank Sinatra, Angela Lansbury, and Lawrence Harvey, details a plot by the "Luciferian Crusade" to infiltrate the American presidency...
1965: The Looking Glass War by John le Carré details MI5 efforts to capture and infiltrate the "Luciferian Crusade", becoming a major bestseller....
1987: No Way Out starring Kevin Costner, Gene Hackman, and Sean Young details a "Luciferian Crusade" cell operating in Washington D.C.,...
1988: Cardinal of the Kremlin by Tom Clancy details "Luciferian Crusade" infiltration of the KGB, becoming a major bestseller...
Here are some new links to the "Luciferian Crusade":
1953: (3/5) General Aleksandr Sakharovsky is selected by Joseph Stalin to head Comintern, prior to his death....
1964: Former Romanian intelligence officer Ion Pacepa establishes "al-Fatah" at the behest of "Luciferian Crusade" as a "national liberation army"...
1965: the National Liberation Army of Colombia (NLAC) is formed in Bogota, Colombia, backed by Comintern and the "Luciferian Crusade"...
1973: Gulbuddin Hekmatyar establishes the People’s Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) in Kabul, Afghanistan, backed by both the "Luciferian Crusade" and the KGB,...
1975: Secret Army for Liberation of Armenia is established by Ion Pacepa at the behest of the "Luciferian Crusade" in an effort to antagonize the Soviet military....
1953: (3/5) General Aleksandr Sakharovsky is selected by Joseph Stalin to head Comintern, prior to his death....
1964: Former Romanian intelligence officer Ion Pacepa establishes "al-Fatah" at the behest of "Luciferian Crusade" as a "national liberation army"...
1965: the National Liberation Army of Colombia (NLAC) is formed in Bogota, Colombia, backed by Comintern and the "Luciferian Crusade"...
1973: Gulbuddin Hekmatyar establishes the People’s Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) in Kabul, Afghanistan, backed by both the "Luciferian Crusade" and the KGB,...
1975: Secret Army for Liberation of Armenia is established by Ion Pacepa at the behest of the "Luciferian Crusade" in an effort to antagonize the Soviet military....
Any ideas as to who should be President in 2008? If anything, the more unique the better!!
Also, any sports or pop culture PODs would be cool!
Also, any sports or pop culture PODs would be cool!
Well, I thought I'd written in the Presidents list that Lieberman wins reelection in 2008, and Romney wins in 2012, but you have ultimate veto power.
Speaking of which, I need to contribute more to this. But not now. I'm sleepy.
