marktaha
Banned
Don't think Tatchell would have been elected. Do suspect that NF would have been stronger.
Scotland, Callaghan, Thatcher and others. A timeline from March 1979
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Hmm not really the worst campaign of all was in Bermondsey but it was the so called real bermondsey Labour camp and John o. grady that were slinging most of the mud. Mellishand his acolytes like a lot of the old Labour right made the hard left look like saints in comparison
marktaha
Banned
What mudslinging? Tatchell was homosexual but hadn't admitted it in public. He had left Australia to.avoid the draft and called his fellow countrymen who served in Vietnam war criminals. He was on the far Left and had called for mass extraparliamentary action to "challenge the government's right to rule ".
Michael Noble, the Labour MP for Rossendale in Lancashire, died on 12 March 1983. It was a very marginal seat. The Labour majority over Conservative was only 0.6% The subsequent by-election was held on 28 April 1983, and was a Conservative gain from Labour by a majority of 10.9%. The percentage votes for each party were as follows (1979 general election):
David Trippier (Conservative): 50.3 (45.0)
Labour: 39.4 (45.6)
Liberal: 10.3 (9.2)
There was a swing of 5.75% from Labour to Conservative,
David Trippier (Conservative): 50.3 (45.0)
Labour: 39.4 (45.6)
Liberal: 10.3 (9.2)
There was a swing of 5.75% from Labour to Conservative,
Eric Varley resigned as Employment Secretary and Labour MP for Chesterfield on 19 January 1984, upon his appointment as chairman of Coalite plc. Callaghan promoted Michael Meacher from Minister of State Treasury, and appointed Gerald Kaufmann as Minister of State Treasury.
The Chesterfield by-election was held on 1 March 1984, The percentage votes for each party were as follows:
Vernon Coaker (Labour): 53.6 (59.4)
Conservative: 32.8 (29.2)
Liberal: 12.6 (11.4)
Others: 1.0 (n/a)
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Labour majority: 20.8 (30.2)
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The swing from Labour to Conservative was 4.7%.
On 15 March 1984, Gerry Adams was in Belfast Magistrates Court on trial for charges of disorderly behaviour and obstruction of the police, when the RUC tried to stop a Sinn Fein motorcade from displaying Irish tricolour flags. During the lunch break, Adams left the court and got in a car for the journey back to west Belfast. Soon after the car left the court, it slowed in traffic in Howard Street. A brown vehicle pulled alongside it. Two gunmen fired fourteen shots at Adams and the other three men in the car. Adams was hit four times in the chest, neck, shoulder and arms. The other three men were wounded, but not fatally. The car was driven to Royal Victoria Hospital, but Adams was dead on arrival. The gunmen were soon arrested and identified as members of the Ulster Freedom Fighters. When the Reverend Ian Paisley heard about the killing of Adams murder, he declared 'Christ said those that take the sword shall perish by the sword. I have followed too many coffins over which Gerry Adams has rejoiced to feel any pain and sorrow over what has taken place today.' (1) Adams was Sinn Fein prospective parliamentary candidate for West Belfast.
In the House of Commons, the Northern Ireland Secretary, Don Concannon, denied that the authorities knew about the attack in advance. But they did. Brian Nelson, a former British army officer who became a paramilitary with the Ulster Defence Association. After time in prison, he became an informant for the Force Research Unit, an army intelligence unit. Nelson tipped of his handlers about the plot to kill Adams. (2)
(1) Gerry Adams was shot on the same day, the same place and in the same circumstances in OTL, except that the two gunmen fired twelve shots at Adams and other three men in the car. He was hit in the neck, shoulder and arm, but not killed. Ian Paisley said the same thing about the killing in OTL. Taken from the book Say Nothing: A True Story of Murder and Memory in Northern Ireland by Patrick Radden Keefe, London: William Collins 2018.
(2) This was as in OTL. See Say Nothing .
The Chesterfield by-election was held on 1 March 1984, The percentage votes for each party were as follows:
Vernon Coaker (Labour): 53.6 (59.4)
Conservative: 32.8 (29.2)
Liberal: 12.6 (11.4)
Others: 1.0 (n/a)
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Labour majority: 20.8 (30.2)
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The swing from Labour to Conservative was 4.7%.
On 15 March 1984, Gerry Adams was in Belfast Magistrates Court on trial for charges of disorderly behaviour and obstruction of the police, when the RUC tried to stop a Sinn Fein motorcade from displaying Irish tricolour flags. During the lunch break, Adams left the court and got in a car for the journey back to west Belfast. Soon after the car left the court, it slowed in traffic in Howard Street. A brown vehicle pulled alongside it. Two gunmen fired fourteen shots at Adams and the other three men in the car. Adams was hit four times in the chest, neck, shoulder and arms. The other three men were wounded, but not fatally. The car was driven to Royal Victoria Hospital, but Adams was dead on arrival. The gunmen were soon arrested and identified as members of the Ulster Freedom Fighters. When the Reverend Ian Paisley heard about the killing of Adams murder, he declared 'Christ said those that take the sword shall perish by the sword. I have followed too many coffins over which Gerry Adams has rejoiced to feel any pain and sorrow over what has taken place today.' (1) Adams was Sinn Fein prospective parliamentary candidate for West Belfast.
In the House of Commons, the Northern Ireland Secretary, Don Concannon, denied that the authorities knew about the attack in advance. But they did. Brian Nelson, a former British army officer who became a paramilitary with the Ulster Defence Association. After time in prison, he became an informant for the Force Research Unit, an army intelligence unit. Nelson tipped of his handlers about the plot to kill Adams. (2)
(1) Gerry Adams was shot on the same day, the same place and in the same circumstances in OTL, except that the two gunmen fired twelve shots at Adams and other three men in the car. He was hit in the neck, shoulder and arm, but not killed. Ian Paisley said the same thing about the killing in OTL. Taken from the book Say Nothing: A True Story of Murder and Memory in Northern Ireland by Patrick Radden Keefe, London: William Collins 2018.
(2) This was as in OTL. See Say Nothing .
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Gerry Adams' funeral took place a week later on 22 March. Tens of thousands of people walked behind the coffin, which was draped in the Irish tricolour flag, through the streets of Belfast to Milltown Cemetery, in the west of the city. His widow, Colette, headed the procession. At the cemetery, IRA volunteers dressed in black and wearing berets and dark glasses, fired shots in the air. Martin McGuinness, Danny Morrison, the Director of Publicity for Sinn Fein; and other notable Republicans gathered round the freshly dug grave. (1) As the coffin was being lowered into the ground, two men approached from opposite directions and threw grenades at the mourners. Morrison was killed and McGuinness seriously, but not fatally wounded. Some mourners ran after the gunmen, but they escaped, firing guns as they did so, killing two men and injuring several others. Besides Morrison, eight mourners were killed by grenades and more than ninety wounded.
The Ulster Defence Association claimed responsibility for the attack at Milltown Cemetery. Though there has been speculation that the Force Research Unit knew about it.
The Newark by-election, caused by the death of Edward Bishop (Labour) on 19 April 1984, was held on 31 May. It was a Conservative gain from Labour by a majority of 6.5%. The Labour majority in the 1979 general election was 2.1. The percentage votes for each candidate were as follows:
Richard Alexander (Conservative): 47.1 (42.9)
Labour: 40.6 (45.0)
Liberal: 12.3 (11.2).
The swing from Labour to Conservative was 4.3%.
(1) For Morrison see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Morrison_(Irish_republican)
The Ulster Defence Association claimed responsibility for the attack at Milltown Cemetery. Though there has been speculation that the Force Research Unit knew about it.
The Newark by-election, caused by the death of Edward Bishop (Labour) on 19 April 1984, was held on 31 May. It was a Conservative gain from Labour by a majority of 6.5%. The Labour majority in the 1979 general election was 2.1. The percentage votes for each candidate were as follows:
Richard Alexander (Conservative): 47.1 (42.9)
Labour: 40.6 (45.0)
Liberal: 12.3 (11.2).
The swing from Labour to Conservative was 4.3%.
(1) For Morrison see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Morrison_(Irish_republican)
John O Grady Not the Liberals went round Bermondsey on a dray singing a song to the lovely effect that Peter Tatchell wore his trousers back to front. Bermondsey Real Labour openly equated being gay with being interested in young children and their canvassers openly said that on the door step and when called on it his camp blamed Simon , however as far as i could see having spent tmie there the only offensive remarks ever made from the then alliance camp came from a couple of future rather low level Owenites, and we all know the type of people some of them were..
The funerals of Gerry Adams and the people killed by the grenade attacks in the Milltown cemetary, were peaceful, though they were massive demonstrations of Republican strength and sentiment. However there were revenge attacks by the IRA on Protestant paramilitaries in which seven civilians were killed.
Alex Maskey succeeded Adams as Sinn Fein prospective parliamentary candidate for Belfast West. (1) Rita O'Hare became Director of Publicity for Sinn Fein. (2)
(1) See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Maskey.
(2) See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_O'Hare.
Alex Maskey succeeded Adams as Sinn Fein prospective parliamentary candidate for Belfast West. (1) Rita O'Hare became Director of Publicity for Sinn Fein. (2)
(1) See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Maskey.
(2) See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_O'Hare.
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Ramontxo
Donor
Giving that attacks against unarmed attendants to funeral of IRA members hapenned but the attackers weren't able to scape permit me to doubt thay would have get out of one with armed militants
In that case IRA volunteers pursued the two gunmen at Gerry Adam's funeral, and shot them dead.
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Tatchell was open about his sexuality, the Labour party wanted it kept quiet. It was irrelevant to his candidature, except to the bigots.
Hughes, who was bisexual, and many other Liberal members behaved disgracefully.
His politics weren't particularly "far Left". And the vast majority of the abuse was specifically aimed at his sexuality.
The Callaghan cabinet agreed to the deployment of Cruise missiles, which were based at Greenham Common from 1981. This decision was opposed by the left wing of the Labour Party. The Women's Peace Camp was established there as in OTL.
James Callaghan announced at a media conference outside 10 Downing Street on 4 September 1984, that a general election would be held on 4 October, exactly five years after the previous general election. With opinion polls showing an average Conservative lead over Labour of nine percent, everyone expected a Conservative victory. However election forecasts were complicated by a major redistribution of seats, with the number of MPs being increased from 635 to 650. In Northern Ireland there was an increase of five from 12 to 17.
Polling stations closed at 10 pm on election day. The first result declared was Torbay which held by the Tories with a majority 14.8% over Liberal, down from 27.0%. As results were declared, Conservatives gained seats from Labour, though there were a few Labour gains from Conservative. When all the results were in, the composition of the House of Commons was as follows (October 1979 general election):
Conservative: 354 (304)
Labour: 260 (301)
Liberal: 15 (12)
Ulster Unionist: 9 (6)
SDLP: 4 (2)
DUP: 2 (2)
Plaid Cymru: 2 (2)
Sinn Fein: 1 (0)
Ulster Popular Unionist: 1 (formerly Independent Popular Unionist: 1)
(Independent Republican: 1)
(United Ulster Unionist: 1)
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Total: 650 (635)
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There was a Conservative majority of 58 over all parties, and Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister.
James Callaghan announced at a media conference outside 10 Downing Street on 4 September 1984, that a general election would be held on 4 October, exactly five years after the previous general election. With opinion polls showing an average Conservative lead over Labour of nine percent, everyone expected a Conservative victory. However election forecasts were complicated by a major redistribution of seats, with the number of MPs being increased from 635 to 650. In Northern Ireland there was an increase of five from 12 to 17.
Polling stations closed at 10 pm on election day. The first result declared was Torbay which held by the Tories with a majority 14.8% over Liberal, down from 27.0%. As results were declared, Conservatives gained seats from Labour, though there were a few Labour gains from Conservative. When all the results were in, the composition of the House of Commons was as follows (October 1979 general election):
Conservative: 354 (304)
Labour: 260 (301)
Liberal: 15 (12)
Ulster Unionist: 9 (6)
SDLP: 4 (2)
DUP: 2 (2)
Plaid Cymru: 2 (2)
Sinn Fein: 1 (0)
Ulster Popular Unionist: 1 (formerly Independent Popular Unionist: 1)
(Independent Republican: 1)
(United Ulster Unionist: 1)
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Total: 650 (635)
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There was a Conservative majority of 58 over all parties, and Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister.
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Callaghan had the support of the Liberals. Thatcher stayed on as Conservative leader because she had lost only one general election, and Conservative MPs were prepared to give her a second chance.
The percentage votes for each party were as follows (October 1979 general election):
Conservative: 44.1 (40.9)
Labour: 36.4 (38.9)
Liberal: 14.0 (14.8)
SNP: 1.9 (1.6)
Plaid Cymru: 0.5 (0.4)
Others: 3.1 (3.4).
The national swing from Labour to Conservative was 2.85%. The turnout was 73.7% (76,2%)
Five cabinet ministers lost their seats to Conservative in the general election. They were: Albert Booth - Transport Secretary (Barrow-in-Furness); David Ennals - Energy Secretary (Norwich North); Frank Judd - Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (Portsmouth North) ; David Owen - Economic Affairs Secretary (Plymouth Devonport); Shirley Williams - Environment Secretary. Her constituency of Hertford and Stevenage was abolished and replaced by Hertford and Stortford, and Stevenage, She stood in Stevenage and lost.
Alex Maskey gained Belfast West for Sinn Fein from SDLP. Enoch Powell (Ulster Unionist) lost South Down to SDLP. Tony Benn held Bristol East, but Margaret Beckett lost Lincoln to Conservative. Malcolm Rifkind won back Edinburgh Pentlands from Labour. Charles Kennedy was the Labour candidate in the new constituency of Inverness, Ross and Skye, but came third after Conservative and Liberal.
Alex Maskey gained Belfast West for Sinn Fein from SDLP. Enoch Powell (Ulster Unionist) lost South Down to SDLP. Tony Benn held Bristol East, but Margaret Beckett lost Lincoln to Conservative. Malcolm Rifkind won back Edinburgh Pentlands from Labour. Charles Kennedy was the Labour candidate in the new constituency of Inverness, Ross and Skye, but came third after Conservative and Liberal.
The cabinet appointed by Margaret Thatcher on 5 and 6 October was as follows:
Prime Minister: Margaret Thatcher
Lord Chancellor: Viscount Hailsham
Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons: Norman St.
John Stevas
Lord Privy Seal and Leader of the House of Lords: Lord Carrington
Chancellor of the Exchequer: Sir Geoffrey Howe
Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary: Francis Maude
Home Secretary: William Whitelaw
Defence Secretary: Francis Pym
Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food: James Prior
Education and Science Secretary: Mark Carlisle
Employment Secretary: Peter Walker
Energy Secretary: David Howell
Health and Social Security Secretary: Patrick Jenkin
Environment Secretary: Michael Heseltine
Industry Secretary: John Biffen
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster and Minister for the Arts: Earl of Gowrie
Northern Ireland Secretary: Humphrey Atkins
Scotland Secretary: George Younger
Trade and Industry Secretary and President of the Board of Trade: Sir Keith Joseph
Transport Secretary: Tom King
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Peter Rees
Wales Secretary: Nicholas Edwards,
The departments of Prices and Consumer Protection, and Telecommunications were abolished.
Prime Minister: Margaret Thatcher
Lord Chancellor: Viscount Hailsham
Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons: Norman St.
John Stevas
Lord Privy Seal and Leader of the House of Lords: Lord Carrington
Chancellor of the Exchequer: Sir Geoffrey Howe
Foreign and Commonwealth Secretary: Francis Maude
Home Secretary: William Whitelaw
Defence Secretary: Francis Pym
Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food: James Prior
Education and Science Secretary: Mark Carlisle
Employment Secretary: Peter Walker
Energy Secretary: David Howell
Health and Social Security Secretary: Patrick Jenkin
Environment Secretary: Michael Heseltine
Industry Secretary: John Biffen
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster and Minister for the Arts: Earl of Gowrie
Northern Ireland Secretary: Humphrey Atkins
Scotland Secretary: George Younger
Trade and Industry Secretary and President of the Board of Trade: Sir Keith Joseph
Transport Secretary: Tom King
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Peter Rees
Wales Secretary: Nicholas Edwards,
The departments of Prices and Consumer Protection, and Telecommunications were abolished.
Selected junior ministers:
Attorney-General: Sir Michael Gumner
Solicitor-General: Sir Patrick Mayhew
Paymaster-General: John Gummer
Financial Secretary Treasury: John Moore
Economic Secretary Treasury: Ian Stewart
Minister of State Treasury: Ian Gow
Parliamentary Secretary Treasury (Government Chief Whip): John Wakeham
Minister of State Foreign and Commonwealth Office and Minister for Overseas Development: Timothy Raison
Minister of State for Health Department of Health and Social Security: Kenneth Clarke.
Thatcher was criticised for not having her women in her cabinet.
The Conservative Party conference did not take place in 1984 because of the general election. Therefore Anthony Berry was not killed by an IRA bomb, and Norman Tebbit was not injured. So there was not a by-election in Enfield Southgate at which Michael Portillo was elected MP for the constituency.
Attorney-General: Sir Michael Gumner
Solicitor-General: Sir Patrick Mayhew
Paymaster-General: John Gummer
Financial Secretary Treasury: John Moore
Economic Secretary Treasury: Ian Stewart
Minister of State Treasury: Ian Gow
Parliamentary Secretary Treasury (Government Chief Whip): John Wakeham
Minister of State Foreign and Commonwealth Office and Minister for Overseas Development: Timothy Raison
Minister of State for Health Department of Health and Social Security: Kenneth Clarke.
Thatcher was criticised for not having her women in her cabinet.
The Conservative Party conference did not take place in 1984 because of the general election. Therefore Anthony Berry was not killed by an IRA bomb, and Norman Tebbit was not injured. So there was not a by-election in Enfield Southgate at which Michael Portillo was elected MP for the constituency.