Bulldoggus
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It is my policy to name at least one team per fictional league "Bulldogs." Which one?
Reds fanfic
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Redshank Galloglass
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Ok, I'll fix it for you.
American Rugby team names
Stryker Manhattan
Spartacus Chicago
Armory (Philidelphia)
Koa RFC (Hawaii)
Brooklyn Bulldogs
Pittsburgh Steel Guard
Baltimore Agitators
Barricade (Detroit)
American Rugby team names
Stryker Manhattan
Spartacus Chicago
Armory (Philidelphia)
Koa RFC (Hawaii)
Brooklyn Bulldogs
Pittsburgh Steel Guard
Baltimore Agitators
Barricade (Detroit)
Redshank Galloglass
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Well to be fair, I created La Bandera as a mix of my best friend IRL and as a way to give some Latin American commies some love.
Redshank Galloglass
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I think I have to make clarifications about my readings on the past few pages:
Liberalism ITTL is NOT going to be the equivalent of anarcho-capitalism IOTL. I suggest that neoliberalism to be the more appropriate term of usage. However, Neoliberals or "new liberals" may apply to Randian Objectivists only. I believe that it's already said that anarcho-capitalism ITTL practically does not exist and its closest analogue is firmly inside the libertarian socialist spectrum as the modern mutualists and free market anarchists. Check the works of Kevin Carson to see what I mean and his analysis on Austrian economics and anarcho-capitalism as a form of socialism in reality.
Right-libertarianism IOTL is simply Randian Objectivism and it's not anarcho-capitalism. It's simply not going to qualify as libertarian, even in practice IOTL in my opinion. Mainstream political science and academia ITTL also does not accept the Objectivists as libertarians. Libertarianism ITTL means being a libertarian communist. Say that you are a libertarian and you are automatically associated with the Left.
I am still confused about all of these city club names that is so OTL and so infused by the sports structure given to us by the U.S. corporate capitalist establishment. I think Jello and Illuminatus Primus told us to expect a more European and Soviet-like structure of sports organizations based on labor union locales, occupations, universities, the Armed Forces, etc. and a more dispersed and highly integrated structure than the generalized city-wide teams carried over from the pre-revolutionary teams and were simply became public-funded. There is also a more Brazil-like atmosphere of sports rivalries that are more localized.
People also forget that just because you are a religious person does not mean that you are not allowed to join Communist parties. That's very stereotypical and does not apply to all Communist parties, especially communist parties outside Communist Party-ruled states. The American Communist Party even ran a devout Christian and Presbyterian minister as President of the United States remember?
Given that most Communist Party-ruled states ITTL follow the American model, more or less, I don't see a problem with a devout Buddhist or Shinto as a member of the Japanese Communist Party. It's not a problem for me. I also do not get the issue of incompatibilities of Buddhist philosophy with dialectical materialism meaning that you are not qualified to be a communist.
I like all of this world-building that's going on in this fanfic thread and it's OK since all of what's going on here is not going to be cannon. It's Jello and IP that decides more on this, with Red Star Rising participating in more nowadays.
I just want to point out for those non-communists and non-socialists that communism and socialism is even weirder than you might think...if those things are to be more properly applied in real-world setting. I've already made some explanations going back in many issues and I've done this enough already. I am not saying that I can more properly imagine things in the context of the Reds! universe more than many of you...but it's just that the way I see things when you describe certain issues are a bit more different really. I don't know if I am right or wrong...but please hear me out.
The approach to building ITTL's AH.com is also something I agree to be quite West/Euro-American centric and if the world of ITTL's 2015 has the Third World as industrially developed nations then we should be having more Africans, Latinos, and Asians. See? The Reds universe is simply weird.
There is too much projection of OTL in the Reds verse as well, especially in terms of creating characters for AH.com. It doesn't seem right to me.
Just look at Male Rising's unique world-building. A lot of it has to do with the background of Jonathan Edelstein and his expertise of cultures outside the West, so he can create such a beautiful world and a more colorful description of the parts of the world we are simply not that knowledgeable of. Even Jello and IP does not have JE's depth, I can imagine. We are too Eurocentric.
I see Reds! as something like Male Rising, only a bit more radical and more post-1945 in the emergence of social movements in many countries that turn Red. But they're still unique by themselves, with little comparisons to OTL. The entire thing is almost out of our reach to imagine, so that's why I can impose my ideas as say that I am right.
I also saw some expression of discomfort and a bit of misunderstanding regarding the greater prominence of bi-sexuality. I remember Jello saying that the default sexual orientation that's accepted is bi-sexuality. However, it depends on the person if the person is going to be more straight or go gay/lesbian in practice. It's more of that you are bi-sexual when you are young and going to puberty... but as you recognize yourself that you only like girls...then you only like girls. Then you are a straight male. It's something along those lines. Don't feel uncomfortable. The greater presence of free love ITTL just means that adolescents are probably more experimental in their sex lives until there's a pattern that emerges by early adulthood. Then you go with that pattern.
It's weird...but it's how it is in Reds!
St. Paul, Minnesota SR doesn't seem right. We have the Commune of the Twin Cities in the words of IP and federal organization of the Union have the urban areas seems to be governed as federal units separate from the Union and autonomous republics. The Metropolis is one example I can give off that may send representatives to the All-republican soviet in Albany but may go straight to the All-Union Congress of Soviets itself. I may not 100% sure about this...but I think I am sure that the way "St. Paul, Minnesota SR" is used does not seem right anymore. I can even suspect that there's a name change for St. Paul, Minnesota.
I still don't see the presence of more reactionary and more obnoxious figures in ITTL's AH.com as something that can happen. The site may be more or less OTL. After all, the online right-wingers can simply have their own communities in the Web. I don't think ITTL's girl-Ian will be tolerant of such people.
I know having these people means a livelier Reds fanfic thread and for those who create these fictional profiles but I don't see this as realistic.
But it's fun...so please go ahead if you all want to continue and do them.
Going for the points that you addressed to me....
I was unaware that Liberalism wasn't Anarcho capitalism, but I figured Libertarianism would be more like the Original definition ITTL. So in the UASR, I am a Libertarian.
As for sexuality, that's what I kinda figured. When you are a young person, it's assumed you are bi or pan due to the fact that you don't really know what you are until you are older. Still, even if the state considers everybody "Pan" my character would still consider himself straight.
Free Love ITTL sounds a lot like young people simply don't focus on relationships and fuck as they please.... Which sounds a lot better in my opinion than the pressures of relationships OTL. When I was a high schooler, I feel the pressure of getting a girlfriend, even though I never really did want nor did I try.
As for the far right... It's more or less for fun. TBH I don't see RB, RitterStahl, or CyberDoctor lasting as long as they do in OTL.
Honestly, from what I've seen from the authors @Libertad I'm pretty sure Liberalism ITTL is supposed to be what we considered right Libertarism in OTL.
I mean that was stated here when Cyber Doctor was introduced.
"Rule Brittania said:
I'm a tried and tested Tory, maybe they don't teach you the difference in China, but as a Tory; the one thing I find more annoying than a Socialist is a Liberal, who all went and got pissy about becoming irrelevant after the great war and then found Rand and some Swiss fart from Switzerland and became the most stuck up bunch of irrelevant losers you've ever seen."
And that was stated by one of the main authors, The_Red_Star_Rising himself on this very thread and he later stated that Cyber Doctor is supposed to embody the obnoxious Right "Libertarians" ITTL. So I'm pretty sure you are incorrect here.
Also @WotanArgead , thanks for being told I'm not a Marxist, thanks a whole lot buddy. That will really help convince people to accept your position, won't it.
I mean that was stated here when Cyber Doctor was introduced.
"Rule Brittania said:
I'm a tried and tested Tory, maybe they don't teach you the difference in China, but as a Tory; the one thing I find more annoying than a Socialist is a Liberal, who all went and got pissy about becoming irrelevant after the great war and then found Rand and some Swiss fart from Switzerland and became the most stuck up bunch of irrelevant losers you've ever seen."
And that was stated by one of the main authors, The_Red_Star_Rising himself on this very thread and he later stated that Cyber Doctor is supposed to embody the obnoxious Right "Libertarians" ITTL. So I'm pretty sure you are incorrect here.
Also @WotanArgead , thanks for being told I'm not a Marxist, thanks a whole lot buddy. That will really help convince people to accept your position, won't it.
I suspect "Liberal" is a broad term referring to various kinds of right libertarians, from Center right (in the US terms) to Objectivists to Anarcho-capitalist.
Redshank Galloglass
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Honestly, from what I've seen from the authors @Libertad I'm pretty sure Liberalism ITTL is supposed to be what we considered right Libertarism in OTL.
I mean that was stated here when Cyber Doctor was introduced.
"Rule Brittania said:
I'm a tried and tested Tory, maybe they don't teach you the difference in China, but as a Tory; the one thing I find more annoying than a Socialist is a Liberal, who all went and got pissy about becoming irrelevant after the great war and then found Rand and some Swiss fart from Switzerland and became the most stuck up bunch of irrelevant losers you've ever seen."
And that was stated by one of the main authors, The_Red_Star_Rising himself on this very thread and he later stated that Cyber Doctor is supposed to embody the obnoxious Right "Libertarians" ITTL. So I'm pretty sure you are incorrect here.
Also @WotanArgead , thanks for being told I'm not a Marxist, thanks a whole lot buddy. That will really help convince people to accept your position, won't it.
Agreed.
On a side note, if you ever want to use my character, La Bandera, Katyushka, and RommelsFist in a alt-AH.com thread, you are welcome to.
Redshank Galloglass
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So who is going to be kicked, Red star my friend?
I want to start a new AH thread but we need to take this (legendary) thread to its conclusion.
Bulldoggus
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AH.com Thread: Women in American Society
Phil Mason, MP (NF-SouthWest England List)
Phil Mason, MP (NF-SouthWest England List)
Redshank Galloglass
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Here's a little AH peice while we wait, ITTL it's a beloved American Action classic. Sort of a stand in for Red Dawn.
Classics of American Cinema: 8/8/88 (1995)
Of all the classic American action movies, 8/8/88 is without a doubt among the most beloved in American culture. Filled with gore, fast paced cinematic action, harrowing twists and turns, and an all star international cast, it remains John Woo's Hollywood masterpeice, as well as one of the highest rated action films of all time.
The story begins as follows: in 1988, tensions between the agressive, lion lead "People's Alliance" in the FBU and the Comintern have reached record levels, culminating in a second Irish Missile Crisis. In response, the Franco-British intelligence service, the DGSE-MI6, begins pursing a more aggressive foreign policy towards the Comintern, as well as forming black operation "Death Squads" comprised of veterans of the FBU tier 1 special operations unit, the RPIMA-SAS. The UASR, by contrast, has demilitarized substantially, and has loosened it's foreign policy.
Enter the True Patriots. A far-right militia organization based in Cuba, its members are comprised of Caucasian Yumas, decendants of the paramilitary forces of the American White regime under General Douglas MacArthur. It's leader, Marshal Eric Sutler, has ties to various far right entities around the world, including white Rhodesia. Despite this, it remains simply a milita force, having no more power than the armed voters of the FBU's Liberty Party.
Until now. The DGSE-MI6, seeing the potential opportunity within the True Patriots, assassinates Sutler, replacing him with an equally fascistic yet compliant leader, Alexander Heinz (Alan Rickman) The Franco-British Intelligence Forces take full command of the true patriots, turning them from loosely organized militiamen into a highly trained, excellently equipped Paramilitary. While Heitz is officially the commander of the True Patriots, in reality, the organization is run by a veteran RPIMA-SAS Captain turned Death Squad commander, Sir Michael Walsh, (Sean Connery) his Junior Officers being West German KSK operator Juergen Kurtz (Arnold Schwarzenegger) and young French upstart Anton Durand (Jean Claude Van Damme). Thier mission? Bring the Union of American Socialist Republics to heel. Their plan to achieve such a daunting task? Assault Deleon-Debs Commune with everything they have. Smuggling themselves into the Marxist juggernaut, the Yuma Paramilitary, aided by thier ECF black ops allies, plan to bring American society crashing down. Assassinate the Premier. Assassinate the presidium. Assassinate the Central Committee. Secure the launch codes for American Nukes. Force the Americans to relinquish themselves to FBU demands, and if not, let the nukes fly.
The plan works all too well. On August 8th, 1988, the Patriots and the ECF Death Squads launch vicious attacks on various government institutions, monuments, and population centers within Deleon-Debs Commune. Hundreds are killed. The Premier and President are assassinated. Most of the Central Committee is wiped out. The Worker's Militias within Deleon-Debs are massacred by the Paramilitary forces. The Government orders an evacuation. By nightfall, Deleon-Debs is in the hands of terrorists.
Section 9 takes over. Chief of Intelligence Tanya Rudinski (Sigourney Weaver) the head of Section 9 and de facto head of state for the UASR, dispatches veteran Section 9 Black Operations officer and former Marine Patrick "Paddy" Lynch (Clint Eastwood) into Deleon-Debs Commune, aided by Three WFRA SFOD-D* operators (Slyvester Stallone, Chuck Norris, Jackie Chan) and Three WFRMC Raider* commandos. ( Carl Weathers, Bruce Willis, Mel Gibson) Their mission? Kill Heinz, Walsh, Kurtz, and Durand. Get back the Nuclear launch codes. Save Thier way of life.
The film was incredibly well received by audiences and critics alike, not only for its engaging story, but it's fluid action, which included The stereotypical heavy weaponry of most American action films but also including the martial arts and Gun-Fu of East Asian action films like The Killer and Hard Boiled. Hailed as the greatest American Action film ever made, it even has a cult like following in the FBU, particularly among the Left opposition within the Imperial Superpower.
* Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta
*Raiders: basically OTL SEALS but better, since they have an infantry background, unlike SEALS.
Classics of American Cinema: 8/8/88 (1995)
Of all the classic American action movies, 8/8/88 is without a doubt among the most beloved in American culture. Filled with gore, fast paced cinematic action, harrowing twists and turns, and an all star international cast, it remains John Woo's Hollywood masterpeice, as well as one of the highest rated action films of all time.
The story begins as follows: in 1988, tensions between the agressive, lion lead "People's Alliance" in the FBU and the Comintern have reached record levels, culminating in a second Irish Missile Crisis. In response, the Franco-British intelligence service, the DGSE-MI6, begins pursing a more aggressive foreign policy towards the Comintern, as well as forming black operation "Death Squads" comprised of veterans of the FBU tier 1 special operations unit, the RPIMA-SAS. The UASR, by contrast, has demilitarized substantially, and has loosened it's foreign policy.
Enter the True Patriots. A far-right militia organization based in Cuba, its members are comprised of Caucasian Yumas, decendants of the paramilitary forces of the American White regime under General Douglas MacArthur. It's leader, Marshal Eric Sutler, has ties to various far right entities around the world, including white Rhodesia. Despite this, it remains simply a milita force, having no more power than the armed voters of the FBU's Liberty Party.
Until now. The DGSE-MI6, seeing the potential opportunity within the True Patriots, assassinates Sutler, replacing him with an equally fascistic yet compliant leader, Alexander Heinz (Alan Rickman) The Franco-British Intelligence Forces take full command of the true patriots, turning them from loosely organized militiamen into a highly trained, excellently equipped Paramilitary. While Heitz is officially the commander of the True Patriots, in reality, the organization is run by a veteran RPIMA-SAS Captain turned Death Squad commander, Sir Michael Walsh, (Sean Connery) his Junior Officers being West German KSK operator Juergen Kurtz (Arnold Schwarzenegger) and young French upstart Anton Durand (Jean Claude Van Damme). Thier mission? Bring the Union of American Socialist Republics to heel. Their plan to achieve such a daunting task? Assault Deleon-Debs Commune with everything they have. Smuggling themselves into the Marxist juggernaut, the Yuma Paramilitary, aided by thier ECF black ops allies, plan to bring American society crashing down. Assassinate the Premier. Assassinate the presidium. Assassinate the Central Committee. Secure the launch codes for American Nukes. Force the Americans to relinquish themselves to FBU demands, and if not, let the nukes fly.
The plan works all too well. On August 8th, 1988, the Patriots and the ECF Death Squads launch vicious attacks on various government institutions, monuments, and population centers within Deleon-Debs Commune. Hundreds are killed. The Premier and President are assassinated. Most of the Central Committee is wiped out. The Worker's Militias within Deleon-Debs are massacred by the Paramilitary forces. The Government orders an evacuation. By nightfall, Deleon-Debs is in the hands of terrorists.
Section 9 takes over. Chief of Intelligence Tanya Rudinski (Sigourney Weaver) the head of Section 9 and de facto head of state for the UASR, dispatches veteran Section 9 Black Operations officer and former Marine Patrick "Paddy" Lynch (Clint Eastwood) into Deleon-Debs Commune, aided by Three WFRA SFOD-D* operators (Slyvester Stallone, Chuck Norris, Jackie Chan) and Three WFRMC Raider* commandos. ( Carl Weathers, Bruce Willis, Mel Gibson) Their mission? Kill Heinz, Walsh, Kurtz, and Durand. Get back the Nuclear launch codes. Save Thier way of life.
The film was incredibly well received by audiences and critics alike, not only for its engaging story, but it's fluid action, which included The stereotypical heavy weaponry of most American action films but also including the martial arts and Gun-Fu of East Asian action films like The Killer and Hard Boiled. Hailed as the greatest American Action film ever made, it even has a cult like following in the FBU, particularly among the Left opposition within the Imperial Superpower.
* Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta
*Raiders: basically OTL SEALS but better, since they have an infantry background, unlike SEALS.
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Eh, high budget action thriller, has kind of scenario that would either end in WW3 or DGSE-M16 all being lined up against a wall by the FBU for stupidity and treason.
What's to be said?
What's to be said?
Sounds also a little like the Expendables with its all star cast of action stars.
Redshank Galloglass
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I mean, it's a 1995 movie, and it's a rah-rah peice. In the UASR, for the time, it is supposed to be a revolutionary movie, as a concept of a FBU funded paramilitary taking over Deleon-Debs was never thought of before. It's less known for its plot and more known for it's action, which is basically John Woo at his best with a bigger budget.
Yeah but younger.