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The_Red_Star_Rising

The_Red_Star_Rising

Bulldoggus said:
I bet their logo would involve the tall cap (maybe a cartoon Elephant wearing one?)
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My current (may change later) ideas for the "symbolic creatures" of the parties are as follows:

Liberation Communist Party: Tyrannosaurus Rex (The king of American dinosaurs)
Communist Labor Party: Triceratops
Social Ecology Union: Tree Frog (due to its usage as a frequent stand in for the fragility of the ecosystem and often green and red colouration)
Democratic Farmer Labor Party: Bison
Democratic Republican: Elephant
True Democrat: Donkey
Communist Worker's Party of America (Before splitting into the LCP and CLP): Ant
African National Congress: Panther
Independent Socialist Party: Rattlesnake
Jewish American Labour Bund: Black Cat
Native People's League: Raven

Also I noticed in your reactionary parties of the UASR list you listed one of them as wanting to restore the first republic with the implication that the articles of confederation was the first republic so I thought I'd clarify the terminology.

The first Republic refers to the establisment of the Constitution through to the end of the American Civil war which dramatically changed the nature of the presidency's office and the federa government's relationship with the states even if in terms of changes put to paper, it doesn't seem that dramatic.

The second republic refers to the post-civil war era up until the second civil war/second revolutionary war, which obviously ends in the dissolution of the constitution entirely (OTL, the Roosevelt presidency would still be considered a dramatic enough change in how the American government functioned to constitute being a "third republic" anyway).

Some might call the UASR after the integration of canada among other things the fourth republic for reasons that are for me to know and you to find out.
 
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Bulldoggus

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The_Red_Star_Rising said:
Liberation Communist Party: Tyrannosaurus Rex (The king of American dinosaurs)
Communist Labor Party: Triceratops
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Dinosaurs seems a little out there, to be honest. I would think the CLP would go with maybe a Bear, and the LCP perhaps a wolf.
The_Red_Star_Rising said:
The first Republic refers to the establisment of the Constitution through to the end of the American Civil war which dramatically changed the nature of the presidency's office and the federa government's relationship with the states even if in terms of changes put to paper, it doesn't seem that dramatic.
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Oh, it was dramatic, for sure. I suppose RIP True Whigs then, as nobody would want to return slavery.
 
The_Red_Star_Rising

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Bulldoggus said:
Dinosaurs seems a little out there, to be honest. I would think the CLP would go with maybe a Bear, and the LCP perhaps a wolf.

Oh, it was dramatic, for sure. I suppose RIP True Whigs then, as nobody would want to return slavery.
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America was the centre of paleontology for the longest time and I am planning a piece on the UASR's heavy promotion of paleontology as part of an anti-creationism campaign that may explain my choices soon. Dinosaur mania starts rather earlier TTL as a result of it and the reignition of the campaign post war and the split in the Communist Worker's party comes to provide a cartoonist an interesting choice of imagery by picking the two most famous American dinosaurs squabbling with one another. Like the original Elephant/Donkey symbology, it ends up sticking. I have some vague notes on a minor TTL controversy on a redesign of the Liberation party's mascot to now have feathers to be true to science.

Due to the association of Lupine symbology with Nazism, it's not really a popular animal symbol outside of Neo-Nazi parties and the Bear is a symbol that not only isn't American outside of California, it isn't actually a natively Russian symbol either; the Russian Empire preferred to represent itself with the twin headed Eagle while the Soviet Union disdained the usage of animal heraldry altogether. It's the product of British cartoons meant to depict Russia as a big scary brute.

Redshank Galloglass said:
Bear seems a bit too... Russian. Maybe a Gorilla?
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Gorillas have no real place in American symbology and while I briefly considered using it as an ANC symbol, it struck me pretty quickly that that would have some pretty horribly racist implications, so Black panther it is.
 
Redshank Galloglass

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Imo, we need to seize the Canines from the grip of Nazism.

The_Red_Star_Rising said:
Gorillas have no real place in American symbology and while I briefly considered using it as an ANC symbol, it struck me pretty quickly that that would have some pretty horribly racist implications, so Black panther it is
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Dinosaurs seem pretty out of place too, TBH. Honestly, a Bear works the best for America, considering how much bears were part of our ecosystem. A coyote would work better too.
 
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The_Red_Star_Rising said:
Dinosaur mania starts rather earlier TTL as a result of it and the reignition of the campaign post war and the split in the Communist Worker's party comes to provide a cartoonist an interesting choice of imagery by picking the two most famous American dinosaurs squabbling with one another. Like the original Elephant/Donkey symbology, it ends up sticking. I have some vague notes on a minor TTL controversy on a redesign of the Liberation party's mascot to now have feathers to be true to science
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Hell yes!

As a dinosaur/paleontology enthusiast myself, I kept trying to come up with dinosaur related updates, but kept coming up short.
 
Bulldoggus

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The_Red_Star_Rising said:
It's the product of British cartoons meant to depict Russia as a big scary brute.
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Well, I would note that the Party Animals in the US were both caricatures, rather than self-chosen. The Dems tried to push a rooster over the donkey for a while, and the GOP liked civil war imagery. Fair enough, though.
 
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Redshank Galloglass said:
Imo, we need to seize the Canines from the grip of Nazism.



Dinosaurs seem pretty out of place too, TBH. Honestly, a Bear works the best for America, considering how much bears were part of our ecosystem. A coyote would work better too.
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You're thinking a bit too much like an our timeliner.

As for symbology; Dogs are fine. Wolves are largely tainted by Nazism.

Bulldoggus said:
Well, I would note that the Party Animals in the US were both caricatures, rather than self-chosen. The Dems tried to push a rooster over the donkey for a while, and the GOP liked civil war imagery. Fair enough, though.
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As I said, it's a result of a cartoonist making an image that ended up sticking.

"Two parties arguing over Germany's carcass", with a cut in half corpse of a Wolf representing Germany (with the hind quarters being taken by a Griffin; albeit one with a rooster head to represent the FBU) being argued over by a Tyrannosaurus and a Triceratops while the west German Eagle and East German Ant crawl out of the corpse of the Wolf.
 
Bulldoggus

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The_Red_Star_Rising said:
You're thinking a bit too much like an our timeliner.

As for symbology; Dogs are fine. Wolves are largely tainted by Nazism.


As I said, it's a result of a cartoonist making an image that ended up sticking.

"Two parties arguing over Germany's carcass", with a cut in half corpse of a Wolf representing Germany (with the hind quarters being taken by a Griffin; albeit one with a rooster head to represent the FBU) being argued over by a Tyrannosaurus and a Triceratops while the west German Eagle and East German Ant crawl out of the corpse of the Wolf.
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To be blunt, that cartoon sounds Ben Garrison levels of nonsensical.
 
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Bulldoggus said:
To be blunt, that cartoon sounds Ben Garrison levels of nonsensical.
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It's inspired by this

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