I'm a Spaniard currenly living in Lisbon, and in the last weeks I have thought a lot about Portuguese AH. I'm really enjoying the premise and style of this TL, and I'll be looking forward for more. Welcome, and congratulations.
Nice way of inserting Princess Charlotte into the TL.
Interesting TL so far. But I think there might be a problem. Such progressive thinking will always make some dissents, and Pombal can't handle them forever. Something are more progressive than the Constitution of 1820. The Vintistas would be happy to see some of these things.
Não te esqueças é dos acentos. África, Ásia e Índia têm sempre acentos quando não era suposto em Inglês . É só um apárte. Força.
Bom Dia,
Yes, there was always dissent followed by repression. In the case of Metropolitan Portugal Pombal had to deal with dissent first amongst the merchants, then nobles, followed by the church and finally the royal family.
The Tavora affair made many of the nobles and rich very weary of crossing Pombal. One of the differences I found was the acceptance by some nobles such as the Duque de Lafões that the reforms being implemented by Pombal were needed . In OTL he only returned to Portugal when Pombal was removed. For the reforms to work he needed to return to Portugal in the early 1760s. He was instrumental in getting some of the nobles on side, this was followed by other nobles who also wanted to get into the action. Lastly was those who went through the motions or kept their noses down.
When the Pope disbanded the Jesuits, it provided Pombal and the Religious council with much moral support. Many people began thinking that if Pombal was right about the Jesuits then maybe he was right about the other things.
In the late 1760s dissent was growing again this time it became focused on D. Maria and her group. When the Order of Christ Conspiracy exploded and kings own daughter was implicated it shattered many people. Thousands were arrested and hundreds executed. Those remaining were sent away most to Brazil (next post will deal with the implication of so many dissidents there amongst other things in the Americas.)
Special note was the creation following the Order of Christ Conspiracy of the Polícia Internacional e de Defesa do Estado (PIDE) by Pombal. The Portuguese secret police integrated itself into all parts of the Empire and kept its eyes for dissent.
As for general dissent, calls for reform were evident starting in 1800s but the threat of war and then real war kept it at bay for a while. There will be lots on that when we get to it.
Sim, eu sei vou tentar tomar mais cuidado.
Maybe Pina Manique would the best person to be heading PIDE. Although he only got to Inspector-general in the reign of Dona Maria he was a man in which Pombal trusted. Which would be a bit ironic, ITTL Pombal is supportive of the French Revolution Ideals, Pina Manique wasn't, but the bonds that make Pombal trust in him have not vanished with the POD.
At the start of Dom José I reign, Brasil was Portugal’s largest and richest province. The majority of the government’s revenue came from the gold in Mato Grosso and diamonds in Minas Gerais.
From 1760 cotton, linen and wool factories were established in Minas Gerais and Rio and in 1765 an Iron Mining and Smelting factory were established in São Paulo.
Nice, but I have some nitpicks:
Mato Grosso had some mines, but Minas Gerais always was the main source of gold during all 18th century, even during the decadence period.
Actually the iron ores are also located in Minas Gerais rather than São Paulo. In your TL I believe Minas would become "the industrial center" of Brazil, with São Paulo and the other "Capitanias" providing goods to the growing population. Even after the "gold boom" in 1800 São Paulo had only 100,000 people, while Minas had 500,000.
as the title says. What are the best PODs to write a good Ottoman Empire wanking timeline?
This is the first time I've read a timeline about Portugal, and I quite like it. I can't wait to read more.
Bom Dia,
Yes, there was always dissent followed by repression. In the case of Metropolitan Portugal Pombal had to deal with dissent first amongst the merchants, then nobles, followed by the church and finally the royal family.
The Tavora affair made many of the nobles and rich very weary of crossing Pombal. One of the differences I found was the acceptance by some nobles such as the Duque de Lafões that the reforms being implemented by Pombal were needed . In OTL he only returned to Portugal when Pombal was removed. For the reforms to work he needed to return to Portugal in the early 1760s. He was instrumental in getting some of the nobles on side, this was followed by other nobles who also wanted to get into the action. Lastly was those who went through the motions or kept their noses down.
When the Pope disbanded the Jesuits, it provided Pombal and the Religious council with much moral support. Many people began thinking that if Pombal was right about the Jesuits then maybe he was right about the other things.
In the late 1760s dissent was growing again this time it became focused on D. Maria and her group. When the Order of Christ Conspiracy exploded and kings own daughter was implicated it shattered many people. Thousands were arrested and hundreds executed. Those remaining were sent away most to Brazil (next post will deal with the implication of so many dissidents there amongst other things in the Americas.)
Special note was the creation following the Order of Christ Conspiracy of the Polícia Internacional e de Defesa do Estado (PIDE) by Pombal. The Portuguese secret police integrated itself into all parts of the Empire and kept its eyes for dissent.
As for general dissent, calls for reform were evident starting in 1800s but the threat of war and then real war kept it at bay for a while. There will be lots on that when we get to it.
Sim, eu sei vou tentar tomar mais cuidado.
I suggest a change of name for the secret police to something more like Polícia de Defesa do Estado or Polícia Real de Defesa do Estado. The PIDE name sounds a bit modern.
Continua com o bom trabalho, Lusitania!
That would be perfect!It sound good. "Muy Nobre e Leal Polícia Real de Defesa do Estado". The PRDE.
It sound good. "Muy Nobre e Leal Polícia Real de Defesa do Estado". The PRDE.
How about "Gauchos Agentinos Y Policia Real de Defesa do Estado" GAYPRDE
I suggest a change of name for the secret police to something more like Polícia de Defesa do Estado or Polícia Real de Defesa do Estado. The PIDE name sounds a bit modern.
Continua com o bom trabalho, Lusitania!
It sound good. "Muy Nobre e Leal Polícia Real de Defesa do Estado". The PRDE.
That would be perfect!
How about "Gauchos Agentinos Y Policia Real de Defesa do Estado" GAYPRDE
I'm enjoying this timeline!
Settlers from France and Germany helped repopulate the new lands freed up by the reconquista, perhaps a similar process could happen here?
Following the seven year war France prohibited French from going to Portugal, dido for Dutch. But Portugual has lots of other Europeans more to follow when the Immigration / Emmigration II section is posted