Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

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2017 syrian partition proposal from a geopolitics blog https://isnblog.ethz.ch/uncategorized/to-resolve-the-syrian-crisis-partition-is-necessary

Honestly If anything like this had actually happened I can only see it becoming a massive blood bath.
 
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2017 syrian partition proposal from a geopolitics blog https://isnblog.ethz.ch/uncategorized/to-resolve-the-syrian-crisis-partition-is-necessary

Honestly If anything like this had actually happened I can only see it becoming a massive blood bath.
Christians, Druze and...JEWS? Like, there aren't almost any jews left in any arab state. I see he includes the occupied Golan Heights there, but, in the case of the return to Syria of the territory, the illegal israelite colonies would be dismantled I assume.
And it doesn't make any sense, Druze are only majority in its own governorate, and Christians are a small minority.
I guess the Alawite state would function in a acceptable way, but the partition of the Syrian interior doesn't make sense.
 
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2017 syrian partition proposal from a geopolitics blog https://isnblog.ethz.ch/uncategorized/to-resolve-the-syrian-crisis-partition-is-necessary

Honestly If anything like this had actually happened I can only see it becoming a massive blood bath.
Christians, Druze and...JEWS? Like, there aren't almost any jews left in any arab state. I see he includes the occupied Golan Heights there, but, in the case of the return to Syria of the territory, the illegal israelite colonies would be dismantled I assume.
And it doesn't make any sense, Druze are only majority in its own governorate, and Christians are a small minority.
I guess the Alawite state would function in a acceptable way, but the partition of the Syrian interior doesn't make sense.
Can this Yazidi state even function as an independent state?
 
So after stumbling across a post on Instagram I did some digging on the 1946-1947 Paris Peace Conference regarding Hungary's post-WW2 borders.

First I found a text titled "Translation of Notes Kept by the Hungarian Foreign Minister Rergarding Conversations with Soviet
Representatives", published by the Wilson Center, which outlines the basics of Hungary's ideal post-WW2 border (along with some talks about the Czechoslovak-Hungarian population transfers).



Now this obviously doesn't include genuine details about the borders of the reintegrated parts of Transsylvania, sadly, but given the wording it's clear that Romania would keep Szeklerland and the annexed territories would mostly be in the Crișana region.

Similarly, I also found a better source than the Instagram map that inspired this query, this page states that the proposal was later reduced to an area of around 4,000 sq km, which seems to track with this apparently contemporary map of the area which Hungary tried to claim during the end phase of the peace conference. While the resolution is terrible, the Instagram post lists these cities as being in these areas:
Szatmárnéi/Satu Mare, Nagykároly/Carei, Margita/Marghita, Nagyvárad/Oradea, Nagyszalonta/Salonta, Arad/Arad.
Fantastic find!
 

Crazy Boris

Banned
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2017 syrian partition proposal from a geopolitics blog https://isnblog.ethz.ch/uncategorized/to-resolve-the-syrian-crisis-partition-is-necessary

Honestly If anything like this had actually happened I can only see it becoming a massive blood bath.

Also, in addition to everything else that has been said, its pretty lazy to just use the current province borders if you want to divide Syria up on ethnic/religious lines, especially for the Kurdish/Sunni borders, Syrian Kurdistan includes areas well to the west of there

And for a more general criticism, why is it that if a country has internal conflict, the first idea people go to is to partition it on some demographic lines? The same thing has been proposed for Iraq forever, but I don't see how it would help. Figure out the reason why these people are fighting each other in the first place and fix that before you resort to slicing up a country.
 
Also, in addition to everything else that has been said, its pretty lazy to just use the current province borders if you want to divide Syria up on ethnic/religious lines, especially for the Kurdish/Sunni borders, Syrian Kurdistan includes areas well to the west of there

And for a more general criticism, why is it that if a country has internal conflict, the first idea people go to is to partition it on some demographic lines? The same thing has been proposed for Iraq forever, but I don't see how it would help. Figure out the reason why these people are fighting each other in the first place and fix that before you resort to slicing up a country.
The underlying assumption is that different races and creeds are bound to fight each other and only 'pure' nations (or those that have largely assimilated their minorities) can work
 
And for a more general criticism, why is it that if a country has internal conflict, the first idea people go to is to partition it on some demographic lines? The same thing has been proposed for Iraq forever, but I don't see how it would help. Figure out the reason why these people are fighting each other in the first place and fix that before you resort to slicing up a country.

The underlying assumption is that different races and creeds are bound to fight each other and only 'pure' nations (or those that have largely assimilated their minorities) can work
I fear that the breakup of multi-nation states, weather the former Colonial or other Empires, from Britain, to France and Austria-Hungary, or the Russian Empire/ Soviet Union, Yugoslavia has cemented the idea in the eyes of many that such multi-ethnic, multi-religious and multi-cultural states hardly work out unified and peaceful in the long term, especial trough their modern eyes of more recent examles, as long as there is no common culture, religion and over time even major ethnic group emerging to have the common goal of holding it together instead of creating/ having their own nation state. I even had a history professor once who argued China and other major places like even to a extent India and Indonesia is only unified because it is not a democracy (or at least not a true one) because of such theories and that only centralised enforcing of unity is what keeps these places truely together by soft and hard power alike (this was also the same nutjob who explained to us how to get rid of dead bodies out of the blue and constantly told us how his marriage was going so ...).

While I disagree with that, especialy as I belive even a unified earth can be possible, as long as we learn how to better work together for a common goal and the best interest of our species as a whole, seeing how long the Roman Empire, Carthague and others like them have existed and survived beside all that, I can see where some of these assumptions are coming from, especialy in people wo are less interested in more then the little history they have briefly learned at school, or trough simplified mass media documentations, who often skip very important parts or whole periods, even if they are good for creating a overallgeneral interest and fascination with history for many.

In that small an area, with limited population and resources, not a chance.... unless you stretch the definitions of either "function" or "independent" a bit...
The smallest nations on this world would like to disagree, sure you might need a very specialised local industry, tourism or even a tax paradise to make it work well for everyone inside, but size is and was never a limitation for a coutnry/ nation, not since ancient city-states.
 
It may be the wrong thread, but I'm trying to figure out whether this Wikipedia map ever actually reflected reality.
It's really generous around Burkina Faso, but elsewhere it's not that far off from showing the distribution of all Mande peoples. For comparison, here's an extract from my ethnic QBAM province map, with the Mandinka in cyan and all other Mande peoples in lighter cyan:
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According to "The Backstage to the Law on the Decolonisation of Timor. Interaction between Portugal and Timorese Nationalist Movements", the UDT-FRETILIN coalition that existed from january to may 1975 had managed to agree with Lisbon, ahead of planned Negociations to finalise the independence process deal in Macau, on a framework that would result in complete decolonisation by... October 1985. With a preliminary election of a local assembly in October 1976

Said coalition collapsed before the Macau conference with FRETILIN boycotting it, by then it was the just the Conservative/Portuguese leaning UDT and the Pro-Indonesian APODETI, the former wanted independence after 1980 while the later wanted it no later than 1978, the two parties agreed on one by october 1978. Said convention was meaningless as the civil war that resulted in FRETILIN taking power began a month later, and then Indonesia invaded...

In term of popular support it was FRETILIN > UDT > APODETI, it's likely without a war and a smoother decolonisation, Portuguese troops would only leave Timor by 1980+
 
It's really generous around Burkina Faso, but elsewhere it's not that far off from showing the distribution of all Mande peoples. For comparison, here's an extract from my ethnic QBAM province map, with the Mandinka in cyan and all other Mande peoples in lighter cyan:
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I think you're missing some of the Gambia and arguably pockets in Burkina and Mali. Why are the Limba colored as Mande, and Aren't the Susu and Yalunka as close to Mande as Kpelle is?
 
In his 2012 article "Habsburg Colonial: Austria-Hungary's Role in European Overseas Expansion Reconsidered" Walter Sauer posits that Austria, while it was investing into the Suez Canal project during the 1850s, made failed attempts to assert sovereignty over Socotra in 1857 and the Nicobar Islands from 1857 to 1859. These insular possessions were to be supplemented with colonies in the Ethiopian highlands (spearheaded by a diplomat named Dr. Konstantin Reitz) and Sudan, where in the latter Austria had connections both in the forms of friendly Jesuit missionaries and traders like Franz Binder. In general Austria seemed to have been very interested in the Levant, Egypt, and East Africa from 1820 to 1900. There was even a private attempt during the late 19th century, around 1889, championed by a man named Theodor Hertzkas, to launch a utopian colony for Austrian Germans in the Kenyan highlands.

Furthermore the Imperial Navy in the years 1895/1896 tried to launch an expedition to the Solomon Islands with the goal of founding a mining colony to supply the Austrian branch of the Krupp family with nickel. However this was ultimately abandoned due to British complaints.
 
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In his 2012 article "Habsburg Colonial: Austria-Hungary's Role in European Overseas Expansion Reconsidered" Walter Sauer posits that Austria, while it was investing into the Suez Canal project during the 1850s, made failed attempts to assert sovereignty over Socotra in 1857 and the Nicobar Islands from 1857 to 1859. These insular possessions were to be supplemented with colonies in the Ethiopian highlands (spearheaded by a diplomat named Dr. Konstantin Reitz) and Sudan, where in the latter Austria had connections both in the forms of friendly Jesuit missionaries and traders like Franz Binder. In general Austria seemed to have been very interested in the Levant, Egypt, and East Africa from 1820 to 1900. There was even a private attempt during the late 19th century, around 1889, championed by a man named Theodor Hertzkas, to launch a utopian colony for Austrian Germans in the Kenyan highlands.

Furthermore the Imperial Navy in the years 1895/1896 tried to launch an expedition to the Solomon Islands with the goal of founding a mining colony to supply the Austrian branch of the Krupp family with nickel. However this was ultimately abandoned due to British complaints.
Austrian Solomon Islands is an interesting idea.
 
>giving China a portion that isn’t coterminous with its existing border

What an idea.
took me a while to figure this out but i *think* it was because manchuria was under communist control, so two communist held regions in the north (if the KMT were given it it wouldve been overrun almost immediately) would be a no go
 
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