Okay That is So fascinating knowing that funimation was going to die if they didn't sell Dragon Ball Z to WB.To answer your question:
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So I don’t think this was common knowledge, but Funimation filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy in April 1998. Selling the DBZ broadcast rights to Cartoon Network literally saved the company.
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Well, I should ask here, although it will look like I’m rushing him. For now I can say that there will be a number of center-left governments led by socialists (1990-1992 and 1996-2000s), so as we discussed there will be a fight against monopoly capital. As it turned out, this did not have a very good effect on Japanese cinema - since the cinemas there are still owned by film concerns. He really pushes the idea of entering the international market - initially the priority was the USSR, but then he decided that the first target would be China (I would also add France - because Japanophilia is very strong there, and yes, in this timeline, France is also “communist”).
One way or another, there will be more international projects - for example, through the efforts of Japanese producers and Soviet directors, the film “Queen of Judo” (Starring Milla (more precisely Milica Bogdanovna) Jovovich) was shot.
Another thing I hate some scenarios, change everything any analysis is useless? How is USSR alive? What's France? Full commie or pinko? That info matter more that using the useless actress of otl resident evil live actions
It will take a long time to tell everything - the details are here:
Социализм с человеческим лицом (Таймлайн)
Лето 1953 года стало переломным во всемирной и советской истории — 17 июня стихийная забастовка берлинских рабочих, протестовавших против объявленного месяцем ранее повышения норм выработки, переросла в беспорядки по всей ГДР, на подавление которых были брошены советские войска. События 17 июня...
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In short, the USSR carried out economic reforms, is trying to rationalize management, and so on. The French Communist Party is officially Marxist-Leninist, but France has its own version. This is not yet in the article, but it is in the plans - the “Dictatorship of the Proletariat” will be established not through one-party tyranny, but through administrative reform. The French Senate is traditionally a stronghold of right-wing parties (because the system is structured so that representatives of agricultural regions receive more seats), and administrative reform is being carried out - a new upper house will be created (which combines legislative and economic functions), elections to which are not held according to districts or party lists and through professional and public organizations (primarily trade unions) - this is largely borrowed from Michel Clouscard. And as a result of the Red Dawn, the most influential trade unions are socialist.
I see, seems was a massive alternate history in Russian (of course) but I see, but too many butterflies make things different to quantify and qualify but Urss also getting french market and vice versa helps the other.It will take a long time to tell everything - the details are here:
Социализм с человеческим лицом (Таймлайн)
Лето 1953 года стало переломным во всемирной и советской истории — 17 июня стихийная забастовка берлинских рабочих, протестовавших против объявленного месяцем ранее повышения норм выработки, переросла в беспорядки по всей ГДР, на подавление которых были брошены советские войска. События 17 июня...
In short, the USSR carried out economic reforms, is trying to rationalize management, and so on. The French Communist Party is officially Marxist-Leninist, but France has its own version. This is not yet in the article, but it is in the plans - the “Dictatorship of the Proletariat” will be established not through one-party tyranny, but through administrative reform. The French Senate is traditionally a stronghold of right-wing parties (because the system is structured so that representatives of agricultural regions receive more seats), and administrative reform is being carried out - a new upper house will be created (which combines legislative and economic functions), elections to which are not held according to districts or party lists and through professional and public organizations (primarily trade unions) - this is largely borrowed from Michel Clouscard. And as a result of the Red Dawn, the most influential trade unions are socialist.
Thanks
Also as back the original topic about videogames.. for Japan that might be a white noise but having stronger local Industry means both Nintendo and Sega would look for internal tech for their consoles in the future
In fact, the USSR OTL had strong ties with Western Europe - especially cultural ones. In this scenario, the Eastern Bloc becomes a market for French cultural products (this applies not only to the USSR, but also to Poland, Romania, and Hungary - where French cinema was very popular). I'm actually very intrigued by this idea - especially if add an "Asian" component.
Are we talking about Japan using more domestic technology?
As the local tech level increase thanks to the butterflies,of course the local tech industry would increase massively, meaning even local companies could get into consideration if we get breakthrough like local CPU has nothing to envy the USA based ones and maybe Japan get a chance into the GPU revolution (that ended up very western otl)
In addition to getting the main splat globe, the main Nickelodeon also gets much of Nicktoons Network’s “weird” and “edgy” branding, and starts picking up slightly edgier and weirder shows, skewing more toward the tween demographic. Making Fiends and Random Cartoons air on the main network, for example.
Nick Jr. remains pretty much the same programming wise, with changes being from absorbing Noggin which by this point was already a Nick Jr. channel, just with extra originals and Play with Me Sesame (which would leave in 2007; 123 Sesame Street would leave with the 2005 rebrand to go to the new PBS Kids Sprout). In terms of branding, they would get a new, paint-focused look, but Moose and Zee would remain by popular demand.
In an inverse to OTL, Nicktoons (which never becomes Nicktoons Network) actually skews younger than the main Nick, 5-9, and their acquisitions reflect that- less Edgar and Ellen and Shuriken School, more Wayside and Ricky Sprocket. Similar to how it was in the UK at Nicktoons TV’s launch, actually. Branding based on arts, crafts, and animation as a whole,
TEENick has a graffiti branding, and aims at older teens, basically just being The N. Younger skewing shows, such as Drake and Josh and Ned’s Declassified, are moved to regular Nick, though they do air on TEENick during the day. Some shows, such as 6teen, are shared, while others air on Nick just as a means of promoting TEENick, like Degrassi.
Nick at Nite has a branding similar to their IOTL 2008 version, down to the splat moon logo concept. Their programming, having been updated from retro programming to nostalgic yet contemporary family shows, remains the same, though some younger-skewing shows from what is now TEENick are ported over or shared, such as Sabrina the Teenage Witch and Moesha.
IIRC, Disney almost bought Marvel in 1996 (when they were REALLY getting into trouble), but didn't because the film rights were scattered everywhere. But what if they did?
- Immediately, all film adaptations in progress are brought to a standstill as Disney focuses on bringing the film rights all in-house. Blade? X-Men? That Hulk movie Universal was working on before the Ang Lee film? That Spider-Man movie MGM was making when they still had the rights? All died in production.
- Shows currently in production during the buyout also end, not coming back for the 1997-1998 season.
- Similarly, Universal's Islands of Adventure DOES NOT get Marvel Super Hero Island, which was still in development when Disney bought Marvel.
- Instead, Universal makes a desperate deal with Warner Bros. to theme it to DC instead (which was the initial plan) and not open any Six Flags parks in Florida (WB owned Six Flags at the time, and they have the DC and Looney Tunes licenses to this day). Looney Tunes (also in the initial IoA plan when it was "Cartoon World") was also included in the deal, resulting in a seventh initial island- Looney Tunes Land. As a result of all of this, the opening is delayed a year to 2000.
- Universal's relationship with WB means that they, not Disney, are the first choice for a Harry Potter theme park land, meaning the Wizarding World of Harry Potter launches far earlier, primarily at Islands of Adventure as a complete retheme of the Lost Continent. Like IOTL, it's a huge success and helps boost Universal's attendance immensely.
- Meanwhile, while Disney's getting the film rights settled out, Marvel Mania launches as a one-hour sub-block on Disney's One Saturday Morning on ABC in 1998, starring Marvel's "big three" at the time- Spider-Man, Wolverine (through the X-Men), and the Hulk- and also featuring other major characters such as the Fantastic Four and the Avengers.
- The Amazing Spider-Man is a relatively light-hearted throwback, taking inspiration from Spidey's Silver Age comics.
- Wolverine and the X-Men is considerably edgier, though also a throwback, making most of the X-Men teenagers at the Xavier Institute, like the OG comics.
- Hulk Outs is a comedic short series starring the Hulk...'s human alter ego, Dr. Bruce Banner. In each short, Banner is placed in a stressful everyday situation that quickly spirals out of control, as he desperately tries to keep his cool and not transform into the Hulk. He inevitably fails, and every short ends with the catchphrase "HULK SMASH!"
- A later addition is another short subject, Those Fantastic Four!, a sitcom parody starring Marvel's First Family.
- Other short subjects include motion comics featuring the Avengers and the Fantastic Four (the latter being phased out in favor of Those Fantastic Four!), character bios, and behind-the-scenes looks at Marvel's comics, and later films and theme park rides.
- Marvel comes to Disney theme parks in either 1999 or 2000, with a Spider-Man interactive web-shooting dark ride at both Disneyland and Disney's Hollywood Studios, followed shortly by a Hulk roller coaster. More attractions would come in later years.
- The 2001 Fox Family buyout results in Disney getting all the pre-1996 Marvel shows as well, save the Hanna-Barbera Fantastic Four and Fred and Barney Meet the Thing.
- Disney's Marvel films begin with Ultimate Spider-Man in 2002. The equivalent to IOTL's Spider-Man from the same year, and taking the place of Treasure Planet, this movie takes influence from the comic series of the same name- itself a reboot of the existing Spider-Man mythos. Due to the failure of Batman and Robin pigeonholing superheroes as "kiddy fare", this movie is also a PG-rated animated film under the Walt Disney Pictures banner- although Disney would also experiment with edgier Marvel movies after this movie. Speaking of which, it's a huge success, helping to keep 2D animation at Disney alive after the failure of Atlantis: The Lost Empire. Semi-surprisingly, it's a big hit with young adults as well, which gives Disney more confidence in their next project...
- The next animated Marvel movie, in 2003, is The Incredible Hulk. A complete tonal 180 from both Ultimate Spider-Man and Hulk Outs, though set in the same universe as the former, this film is a very dark one- to the point where it's the second PG-13 movie under the Walt Disney Pictures banner (heh... Banner), after Pirates of the Carribean: Curse of the Black Pearl earlier that year. Plot-wise, it mixes the psychodrama of IOTL's Hulk from Ang Lee with the Abomination plot from the IOTL 2008 movie. Also like the 2008 movie, it places the origin in the opening credits and sets the actual film sometime later, though this film recaps the Gamma Bomb origin from the comics and prior animated series rather than recreating the 1977 live-action origin like IOTL's 2003 and 2008 films. While not as big of a hit as Pirates or Ultimate Spider-Man, in part due to the dark tone and in part due to coming out around the same time as The Matrix Revolutions, it's still both a critical and financial success. In an inverse of Ultimate Spider-Man, while the film was targeted toward young adults, many kids went to see it anyway because superhero, leading to much night terrors and many memes years later about how the film traumatised them.
- 2004 really ups the ante with FOUR Marvel films. Two of which are theatrical animated films in the Ultimate Spider-Man and Incredible Hulk universe- the PG Fantastic Four and the PG-13 X-Men- both of which are successful. One is a live-action R-rated Touchstone film, The Punisher, which is NOT successful. And one is a direct-to-video sequel, Ultimate Spider-Man 2, which also serves as a pilot for Ultimate Spider-Man: The Series. While the new show is produced by Walt Disney Television Animation and airs on Jetix, it is not a Jetix Animation Concepts show. The label is applied only to ORIGINAL properties under Jetix; instead, this and any other Marvel shows under Jetix have the Marvel logo, the Walt Disney Television Animation logo, and the "In Asssociation with" Jetix logo seen on series like Power Rangers, Dragon Booster, and W.I.T.C.H.
- Speaking of Jetix, when it launches in 2004, The Amazing Spider-Man and Wolverine and the X-Men take the places of The Legend of Tarzan and Buzz Lightyear of Star Command on the Toon Disney schedule, respectively. These shows also make their debuts on ABC Family with Jetix's launch- the ABC Family Action Block had previously been using the Fox Kids Spider-Man and X-Men series instead. Jetix on Toon Disney takes the place of Marvel Mania, which moved to Toon Disney in reruns on weeknights (and became their second action block after Hangin' with the Heroes) in 2002, and thus inherits not only their two long-form series, but also Hulk Outs, Those Fantastic Four!, and the other short-form series. Internationally, while these series and future Marvel shows are still distributed by Disney and not Jetix Europe, they are removed from international Disney Channel and Toon Disney feeds and given to Jetix channels, or (if there are Disney Channel feeds but no Jetix feeds) form the crux of a Jetix block.
- 2005 tones it down a little, with three Marvel films, all PG-13, all in the existing Marvel animation universe- Iron Man, Captain America, and the direct-to-video The Incredible Hulk 2: Brawn vs. Brain, the latter of which features the Leader. The two theatrical movies are the worst performing Marvel animated movies so far, but they are still critical and modest financial successes. Their diminished box office instead comes from the fact that they feature more obscure characters than, say, Spider-Man or Wolverine. (Yep, Disney had officially exhausted all the A-list Marvel heroes and, due to Disney's reliance on direct-to-video sequels, had to rely on their other characters for their theatrical films.) 2005 also sees the launch of Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes on Jetix.
- 2006 kicks things back up to four movies, all of them are still in the same universe, though only two release in theaters, both PG-13- Thor and The Avengers, the latter being both an Ant-Man focus film and a climactic team-up featuring Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, and the debuting Ant-Man and Wasp. Thor performed the worst out of all the Marvel animated films both critically and financially, coming close to not even breaking even, while The Avengers kicked things up and was successful again. The other two films were direct-to-video- the PG-13 Wolverine vs. Hulk, and the PG Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, the latter of which was the last PG Marvel animated film.
- As Bob Iger takes over and wishes to take the company in new directions, 2007 closes out the universe with the cancellations of Ultimate Spider-Man and Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes, as well as the final two Marvel animated films, both PG-13 and both direct-to-video- Ultimate Spider-Man: Maximum Carnage (taking a darker tone than the previously PG movies or Y7 animated series) and X-Men: Dark Phoenix. Plans for a joint Avengers and Captain America movie are scrapped.
- 2008 sees a big relaunch of Marvel media. Animation-wise, The Spectacular Spider-Man launches on Jetix (and later makes the transition to Disney X-D). Film-wise, inspired by WB's success with Batman Begins, the upcoming The Dark Knight, and Superman Returns, Disney decides to take another stab at live-action Marvel movies, resulting in ITTL's version of the MCU... though that's where I'll leave off for now.
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Even if there isn't, your concept for this secondary Marvel Animated Universe would be one worth drooling over.
One question, when western studios could release something similar to Gundam, Starblazers, macross, in the 70s And 80s I mean the West had Star Wars and Star Trek, and it amazes me that they didn't take advantage of that in animation (They made Star Trek the animated series but most child-focused )
Unless they subcontracted everything to Japan, FEW TO NONE, cartoons were very short of cash, that's why it was called the dark age, maybe the toetic cartoons of the 80's were corny long commercial..BUT AS COMMERCIAL AT LEAST HAVE BUDGET
I think the trailers and credits for 2002's Ultimate Spider-Man, as well as the direct-to-video sequels and animated series, would use Aerosmith's version of the 1967 theme that was exclusive to the IOTL film's soundtrack:
Meanwhile all of the films, at least up to 2006 with the introduction of the majestic CGI Disney castle, would use the 2000 Disney "flashlight" castle logo, used on live-action and select animated films meant for older audiences (such as Dinosaur, Brother Bear, the Pirates films, and a re-release of The Lion King):
The exception is Ultimate Spider-Man 2, and maybe Fantastic Four: Ride of the Silver Surfer. They, or at least the former, use the 1985 logo instead, likely with variations applied.
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Really?
Damn.....
So.....what licenses would Six Flags have ITTL then if they don't have the WB ones? I could also see a Cartoon Network-themed land at Universal replacing their version of The Funtastic World of Hanna-Barbera.
Cool! Would OSM get a expansion, or would this mean that Looney Tunes are kicked off the lineup earlier?
Cool, but what the hell is Fred and Barner Meet the Thing? Sound like some weird ass crossover thing that didn't work....
Also, great to see Marvel attractions at Disney parks.
oh damn.....so, could Treasure Planet be released in 2004 instead of whatever the fuck Home on the Range is? I already plan on butterflying that in my Phantom TL anyway.....
OH SHIT ANIMATED SPIDER-MAN MOVIE IN 2002!!!!???? Ayo, does WB/DC respond with some DC theatrical animated films? This shit RIGHT HERE could CHANGE the future of American theatrical animation forever!
Cool. What other 2D projects would be made at Disney?
Cool. If we don't get some mature Marvel animated series for ABC Family as part of a nighttime block, this is all game......
Oh...
Cool! Does this lead to X-Men Evolution?
Damn.
Nice, You would imagine they'd give Jetix more respect ITTL and let it live, RIGHT????
Damn, that's kinda harsh, but.....props for trying. Now tell me this leads to a Kingdom Hearts movie and some Capcom adaptations, and maybe even a 2D Final Fantasy anime movie co-pro....
Cool! However, I feel bad for Thor, but at least The Avengers are successful.
Ugh.
Well, at least it was a good run. But will the Spiderverse movies still exist, but possibly be made by Pixar?
Damn that would have been cool.
damn
Ok.
Nice.
That would be a great idea!
That's a nice rebrand idea.
All I gotta say is..this is a FAR better corporate refresh than OTL's 2009 rebrand.
Nice. Would the Marvel cartoons and Dragon Ball Z Kai also air on the main channel? Also, would this mean that the 3 Headed Monster and Lazer Awesome blocks are on Nick ITTL?
Ok.
oh........but I do wonder how their branding would look like? Perhaps directly importing the UK Nicktoons' branding?
Nice.
Overall, some nice ideas you have.
Any ideas for some other folklore and such that could've made good Disney animated movies?
If Soyuzmultifilm didn't cover it, it's free real estate. We can even cast Donald in the titular role.