Fine by me - though then again, while there are many places I'd like to live ITTL, the Italian Federation ain't one of 'em anyway, so it fits
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Fine by me - though then again, while there are many places I'd like to live ITTL, the Italian Federation ain't one of 'em anyway, so it fits
it works quite well actually. Although it bears mentioning that the Pope personally has to appoint them every year so her reign would probably be pretty short.
Well they do have one of the most expansive social security nets on the planet, so its not all bad from a Leftie perspective.Fine by me - though then again, while there are many places I'd like to live ITTL, the Italian Federation ain't one of 'em anyway, so it fits
I wonder what's the equivalent of North Korea in media? As in tiny impoverished nation somehow invades a super power
Well it' isnt that bad: as Warren already pointed out out social security sistem ITTL is one of the best in western europe and thanks to Mosley making pubblic the church's abuses in Ireland, the Vatican has started persecuting pefophile priests a few decades earlierFine by me - though then again, while there are many places I'd like to live ITTL, the Italian Federation ain't one of 'em anyway, so it fits
Also the work of the christian institute is limited only to movies and TV series, while they have virtually no powers over the internet, books or comics( the only conditions for the last two is that the "amoral" ones must have a warning on the covers and put in specific shelves)
What if the Pope actually agreed with her actions and thos is why she managed to stay power so long?
Also i have question about the italian LGBT+ comunity: is it correct to say that , even without laws against it, people who are openly homosexuals face more difficulties than others in finding jobs and/or homes and that authorities openly encourage them to emigrate?
Also what about the ones who live their sexuality only in private?
Is there any chance that Italian society has developed a" live and let live" attitude towards them?
Basically they don't face consequences as long as they keep it as a private matter and accept to meet their dates/ significant others only in determinate places
They do have some power over the internet,mainly banning Pornography and placing age walls on Immoral material (Racey fanfics and the Like) theirs talk of expanding their powers their but for now tech companies are shooting it down.Also they can make sure a book does not get sold, but it has to be REAL bad (like 50 shades of grey bad)
ITTL it was Pope Benidict who was around during that time, so theirs very little chance he agreed with Alot of her decisions. Italians have devloped pretty much the culture on lgbt stuff you entailed on the last part,they don't really talk about Sexuality that much and don't want it talked about(although the church, who also runs the Education system, has a Sex Ed class it's basic message is "here's all the reasons you should NOT have sex before you are married")
I still don't get how that worked, the church and most of the rest of the world would of been easily perpared to dismiss it as "Syndie lies meant to dismiss god and weaken the irish people" sure their may be a few people who come afterwards but they'd be ignored most likely or prosecuted for maintaing the Syndie "lie".
The problem is that the irish population believed him, meaning that the breack-up between Ireland and the Vatican happened a few decades earlier
There is also the problem that in this universe the Chirch has also political power, meaning that an other scandal like this would be a disaster for them and the Italian Federation
Why in hell would they belive Mosely, the Atheist Brit who conquered their country and is no doubt shooting as many Clergymen as possible?
Because maybe people were already suspecting something
Or maybe because there were witnesses
Or maybe because after the war they started their own investigation and they discovered it was all true
Why in heck would you belive said witnesses, you could very easily call them syndie collaborators?
OTL most people did not expect any thing at the time, I see no reason why they would in the Kaiserreich TL.
Why would you investigate at all, when you have to rebuild the country after a brutal occupation, a Rebuilding which the church has to take part in. Also i Highly doubt that it was ALL true, Totalitarians like Mosely have the habit of overplaying their hand on propoganda, even if its not needed at all.
@theg*ddam*hoi2fan Personally I think you should move it up to the 60s, then you have the media structure to expose it but not the stink of Syndicalist propaganda to discredit it.
I’m going to be keeping that as is - no retcons.
Could you at least expand on why anyone belived it?
Because there was evidence, and because ITTL the pre-Invasion government hadn’t been as subservient to the Church as OTL and had already begun uncovering things. The Syndicalist invasion just hastened the process and made sure it was thoroughly public.
okay, makes abit more sense, still dosent explain how their was not even abit of a counter narrative from the Catholic Underground but Ill go with it.
When the pedhopilia scandal exploded, almost no one doubted of it
Why would it be different in this situation?
Well look at it this way: :lets say in the OTL 1970s the pedophilia scandal was exposed by Pravda, the soviet Propoganda arm. Do you think the Catholic population would of belived it? I think we all know the answer to that is a rather definite no, the same holds true for militant atheist Totalists ITTL