So it was basically "hey we kinda disapprove and will sending guns to people who want to kill you but hey your still Catholic so we won't bring our religon into it" is that essentially the attitude?
Photos of the Kaiserreich
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Despite the name, the United Front is basically a grab bag of any leftist tendency that isn't "orthodox" syndicalist, or a labor union. The Catholic Worker Movement is part of a tendency that is less likely to invite straight-up violent suppression from the Greens, especially since the Rainbow Wars is when the AUS has to jettison its hardliner elements (not just the natpop ones, but Long/Coughlin's harsher anti-union rhetoric) in order to team up with the prairie populists/progressives / have a place to flee to once the south getting overrun from every which way. If anything, they would want to woo Christian socialists and others like them, including the crossover Councilor Morrow's People's Collective, who is making a mess of Iowa's borders.
So right now Innitzer/Schuster/whomever is playing a fine game, supporting the Greens as the most confessional-friendly / red-bashing faction, while trying not to draw attention to the faithful who are associated with the syndicalist movement itself, if not necessarily within it. So you're pretty much right.
How the factions are reshuffled in the third stage of the 2ACW, of course, remains to be seen.
So right now Innitzer/Schuster/whomever is playing a fine game, supporting the Greens as the most confessional-friendly / red-bashing faction, while trying not to draw attention to the faithful who are associated with the syndicalist movement itself, if not necessarily within it. So you're pretty much right.
How the factions are reshuffled in the third stage of the 2ACW, of course, remains to be seen.
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He doesn't align himself with the Internationale, he just sympathizes more with them due to his innate sense of rebelliousness ( the IRL Thor in the Norse legends was seen as the God of the common farmer and warrior whilst Odin was the god of the royalty and the berserkers). In my KR's Marvel Thor does not involve himself in human politics, rather he fights enemies that would destroy earth as a whole and organizations that would turn earth to nuclear fire.
Thanks for the compliments though!
So how advanced or divergent is the technology in your head canon. Because I have embraced the concept of technology looking like a mishmash of defunct futures. Sort of like in Wolfenstein and fallout, as well as the more sophisticated in many areas, more primitive in others tech levels of 80's 90's cyberpunk like Blade Runner and Akira. Autonomous war machines, orbital weapons platforms, colonies on other worlds, holograms, analog internet, supersonic air travel, energy weapons (still haven't replaced guns or missiles), cloaking, turbine powered cars, gyrojet DMRs, VR much sooner, space shuttles, cybernetics many predictions that were wrong in our timeline come to life in my headcanon
Also is there a story thread
Also is there a story thread
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Inspired by my first campaign of 0.6:
Field Marshal Reza Khan of the Iranian Imperial Army, generally considered the best general of the Second Weltkrieg's Middle Eastern Theatre. After directing an impressive campaign against the Ottoman Empire which would see Persia's Western Frontier extend as far west as under the Safavids, Khan would defend his country against the advances of the Russian State. Savinkov, enraged at Shah Hossein's continued trade of oil to Germany, demanded that Iran cease at once or face war. The Iranian army, veterans at desert combat, would prove more than a match for the Russian National People's Army, who, despite their better equipment, were woefully unprepared for the harsh climate of Iran. Ultimately, Reza Khan would return Iranian dominion to Central Asia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia, securing Iran as the hegemon of the Middle East and a major non-aligned power in the Cold War between Germany and the CSA.
Field Marshal Reza Khan of the Iranian Imperial Army, generally considered the best general of the Second Weltkrieg's Middle Eastern Theatre. After directing an impressive campaign against the Ottoman Empire which would see Persia's Western Frontier extend as far west as under the Safavids, Khan would defend his country against the advances of the Russian State. Savinkov, enraged at Shah Hossein's continued trade of oil to Germany, demanded that Iran cease at once or face war. The Iranian army, veterans at desert combat, would prove more than a match for the Russian National People's Army, who, despite their better equipment, were woefully unprepared for the harsh climate of Iran. Ultimately, Reza Khan would return Iranian dominion to Central Asia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Armenia, securing Iran as the hegemon of the Middle East and a major non-aligned power in the Cold War between Germany and the CSA.
Wartime photograph of Sir Dirk Bogarde (1921-2001), 'L Detachment' (later the Special Operations Unit). 'L Detachment' was an Exile-Canadian unit formed for asymmetrical warfare against the Syndicalist powers, one that would be credited with a number of high-risk operations within Union of Britain, Communard, Southern Italian and Spanish territory. Bogarde's unit primarily operated along the Franco-Spanish border, assisting Basque separatists in operations against the Syndicalists and thus tying up units and equipment that could have been sent to the front, and were responsible for the deaths of a number of high-ranking Communard and Spanish officers.
Post-war, Bogarde settled in the restored United Kingdom. He would pursue a highly successful career in acting, primarily in war films and thrillers, though he returned to military service for the Second North American War, where he took part in SOU operations behind US lines on the New England front. He would later also form the model for Ian Fleming's popular Daniel Drake series...though the latter would prove to be somewhat ironic, as the Drake character was written as a notorious womaniser while Bogarde was a decidedly monogamous homosexual.
British soldiers in New England during the Second North American War. Although the nation was still recovering from the Union of Britain era and the Liberation, a number of historians have noted participation in the Second North American War as being a net positive for the United Kingdom, getting industrial production going again and with military service serving to knit together people from both pro and anti-Syndicalist backgrounds. Both could, after all, agree on MacArthur's United States as being a tyrannical regime and the need to preserve the people of New England and the rest of Canada from it.
Here's some random ideas I had about possible names for post-war CSA regimes, depending who wins the revamped constitutional convention:
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United States of America (Federalists/Radsoc):
Literally just the USA with a market socialist economy a la France. Likely to experience threats from the right and the left as those on the left feel somewhat cheated and the right-wingers refuse to cooperate with what they see as a result as a weak government. Still has some corporations, but the balance of power lies firmly with the labor unions, leading to what might be the worst inefficiencies of both systems.
People's Republic of the USA (Unionists/Syndicalists):
Keeps most of the structure, perhaps with some minor tweaks, of the government and the states, but the economy is completely revamped, with companies replaced by labor syndicates that control the means of production. This makes a more economically stable but less likely to have boom times country than the USA we know, and avoids the need for massive amounts of regulation inherent to a capitalist system that people don't want to become a kleptocracy. Probably the best of both worlds, satisfying the left-wing base while keeping enough of the old structure that the moderates will be satisfied, though the right wing will remain a problem until the AUS hardliners finally give up and leave.
Workers' States of America (Foster/Communist):
Centralized (a unitary rather than a federal state like the OTL USA and the options above), and with some government control over the economy, potentially coming into conflict with labor unions. Sort of midway between early Bolsheviks and the Syndicalists. Not the nicest system in the world but at least not necessarily hellishly totalitarian. Will have problems with its purge-happiness towards reactionaries but not as unstable as the following option.
Union of American Socialist Republics (Browder/Totalist):
Totalitarian unitary Stalinist regime surrounding a populist dictator, with a bureaucratic central-planning model and union power broken. The obvious "bad" option as presented in the focus tree. Will have considerable resistance from moderates, workers, and the right wing due to being a unitary Stalinist totalitarian regime. Also likely to collapse in the future. The blatant US-as-USSR analogue, compared to Germany-as-America and Russia-as-Germany.
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United States of America (Federalists/Radsoc):
Literally just the USA with a market socialist economy a la France. Likely to experience threats from the right and the left as those on the left feel somewhat cheated and the right-wingers refuse to cooperate with what they see as a result as a weak government. Still has some corporations, but the balance of power lies firmly with the labor unions, leading to what might be the worst inefficiencies of both systems.
People's Republic of the USA (Unionists/Syndicalists):
Keeps most of the structure, perhaps with some minor tweaks, of the government and the states, but the economy is completely revamped, with companies replaced by labor syndicates that control the means of production. This makes a more economically stable but less likely to have boom times country than the USA we know, and avoids the need for massive amounts of regulation inherent to a capitalist system that people don't want to become a kleptocracy. Probably the best of both worlds, satisfying the left-wing base while keeping enough of the old structure that the moderates will be satisfied, though the right wing will remain a problem until the AUS hardliners finally give up and leave.
Workers' States of America (Foster/Communist):
Centralized (a unitary rather than a federal state like the OTL USA and the options above), and with some government control over the economy, potentially coming into conflict with labor unions. Sort of midway between early Bolsheviks and the Syndicalists. Not the nicest system in the world but at least not necessarily hellishly totalitarian. Will have problems with its purge-happiness towards reactionaries but not as unstable as the following option.
Union of American Socialist Republics (Browder/Totalist):
Totalitarian unitary Stalinist regime surrounding a populist dictator, with a bureaucratic central-planning model and union power broken. The obvious "bad" option as presented in the focus tree. Will have considerable resistance from moderates, workers, and the right wing due to being a unitary Stalinist totalitarian regime. Also likely to collapse in the future. The blatant US-as-USSR analogue, compared to Germany-as-America and Russia-as-Germany.
I agree with the Foster branch of Totalism but for the other i see Browder's America being called the United Socialist States of America the Syndicalists being called the Union of American People's Republics while the RadSocs being called the American People's Commonwealth (the 2 latter names are from HOI4's Red World mod) but having it still remain as the USA ain't so bad neither
United Socialist States of America for Foster
People's Republic of America for Browder
Union of American Syndicates for Syndicalist path
United States of America for Federalist path
People's Republic of America for Browder
Union of American Syndicates for Syndicalist path
United States of America for Federalist path
Inspired by Worffan 101
Here are the flags for the Syndicalist America when the CSA wins the War
United Socialist States of America (Browder/Totalist)
Workers States of America (Foster/Totalist)
Union of American People's Republics (Unionists/Syndicalists)
American People's Commonwealth(Federalists/RadSoc)
Here are the flags for the Syndicalist America when the CSA wins the War
United Socialist States of America (Browder/Totalist)
Workers States of America (Foster/Totalist)
Union of American People's Republics (Unionists/Syndicalists)
American People's Commonwealth(Federalists/RadSoc)
Attachments
The Flags for Foster's Totalists and the Unionists get the The Great Seal which appears on this passport
How much more developed is the Southern hemisphere in this timeline compared to OTL? Earlier someone had Harry Turtledove's worldwar be a thing and in that book the aliens were defeated everywhere since their isn't much Eurocentrism and technology is more dispersed. Is this true in Kaiserreich? I'm sure some parts would still fall quickly but depending on how intact these nations are they might pursue them
In my KR setting, it’s a mix. Green tech is far more advanced - the Asia-Pacific Co-Prosperity Sphere on particular manufactures and sells a lot of electric cars, uses solar power a lot for electricity generation and uses solar-powered airships for short and medium range cargo transport and short-range passenger flights. Computer tech is about ten years ahead of RL, and the major powers cooperate on space exploration - there’s an international base on the Moon and talks are under way that will allow a division for commercial purposes and eventually settlement. Military tech is about at RL level, though.
Reposted because I first put this in the wrong thread:
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Same post-war alternate state names hypothetical for the two currently-known factions within the AUS:
American Union State (Hail Huey, I suppose):
Unitary authoritarian populist/vaguely right-wing dictatorship. Socially conservative, economically weird mix of capitalism and wackier straw-communist ideas. Likely to face strong opposition from leftist diehards and moderates who prefer the old regime, but stands a decent chance of suckering the lower classes with immediate economic relief. Considerably less stable long-term than most of the Syndicalist options or the old US. Corruption is endemic but ultimately dependent on Huey's willingness to allow it; the AUS is fundamentally a charismatic dictatorship and so a cunning Huey will be able to run his private kingdom effectively as he wishes.
United Christian States of America (Pelley and the Klan):
Federal (de jure)/unitary (de facto) fascist/corporatist totalitarian regime. Socially hyperconservative, brutal or even potentially genocidal to ethnic minorities. Economically corporatist with some promises of populism. Relies on diehard right-wing anti-Syndicalist loyalists, ties to religious conservatives, and megacorps to retain any function at all. Extremely susceptible to corruption. Voting takes place but only on a party-approved "racially acceptable" slate of candidates who profess belief in the correct branch of Christianity, and the franchise is restricted to white Christian males of appropriately Anglo-Saxon ethnic origin. Military will likely stagnate and decay within a decade, while receiving considerably more funding, proportionally, than even the greatest excesses of the OTL US military. Almost certain to fall messily a couple of decades down the line and splinter in a potentially-nuclear ideological and race war into a chaotic or even apocalyptic hellscape. These are the obvious bad guys.
And the USA...
United States of America (Democratic, American Cincinattus):
Presidential federal republic with a shaky and imperfect but functional democracy. Some restrictions on Syndicalist and right-populist parties remain, as well as an active Klan insurgency in the South, but the USA is broadly functional. Syndicalist loyalties in the Midwest likely remain strong despite federal propaganda, but the USA is likely slightly more left-wing economically and on some social issues than OTL (due to reflexive dislike of powerful political blocs in the new regime towards political violence, and the violent Klan insurgency), though it remains illiberal compared to the OTL USA. Black people have the vote, but parties to the left of Barack Obama are banned or heavily restricted, and parties to the right of 2012 general election Mitt Romney remain under close scrutiny due to the legacy of Long and Pelley. Politics is very concerned with proper decorum, and scruffy dress, lower-class manners and mannerisms, or bombastic attitudes like Huey's are likely to kill a political career.
Provisional Military Government of the United States of America (military junta, American Caesar):
De Facto authoritarian, borderline totalitarian unitary military dictatorship under permanent "state of emergency". All left-wing activism is banned, as is the right-wing equivalent. Mac Daddy ends up somewhere around George W. Bush on the dated left-right spectrum, and America's economy is wholly owned by the military-industrial complex. A constant military presence, funded by a massive chunk of GDP, continuously monitors the streets for "potential traitors" to Mac Daddy. MacArthur's portrait is on almost every wall and his corncob pipe is a fad with upper-middle-class youth. Lower-class resentment remains high, but so far the CIA and FBI are effective at rooting out potential Syndicalist sympathizers. Co-option of many Southern elites has left Mac Daddy's only problem down there a few lynchings and some ethnic cleansing of black people, but they aren't Army men so Mac Daddy's willing to let it slide to keep the KKK from stirring up more trouble than they're already causing or starting another civil war.
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Same post-war alternate state names hypothetical for the two currently-known factions within the AUS:
American Union State (Hail Huey, I suppose):
Unitary authoritarian populist/vaguely right-wing dictatorship. Socially conservative, economically weird mix of capitalism and wackier straw-communist ideas. Likely to face strong opposition from leftist diehards and moderates who prefer the old regime, but stands a decent chance of suckering the lower classes with immediate economic relief. Considerably less stable long-term than most of the Syndicalist options or the old US. Corruption is endemic but ultimately dependent on Huey's willingness to allow it; the AUS is fundamentally a charismatic dictatorship and so a cunning Huey will be able to run his private kingdom effectively as he wishes.
United Christian States of America (Pelley and the Klan):
Federal (de jure)/unitary (de facto) fascist/corporatist totalitarian regime. Socially hyperconservative, brutal or even potentially genocidal to ethnic minorities. Economically corporatist with some promises of populism. Relies on diehard right-wing anti-Syndicalist loyalists, ties to religious conservatives, and megacorps to retain any function at all. Extremely susceptible to corruption. Voting takes place but only on a party-approved "racially acceptable" slate of candidates who profess belief in the correct branch of Christianity, and the franchise is restricted to white Christian males of appropriately Anglo-Saxon ethnic origin. Military will likely stagnate and decay within a decade, while receiving considerably more funding, proportionally, than even the greatest excesses of the OTL US military. Almost certain to fall messily a couple of decades down the line and splinter in a potentially-nuclear ideological and race war into a chaotic or even apocalyptic hellscape. These are the obvious bad guys.
And the USA...
United States of America (Democratic, American Cincinattus):
Presidential federal republic with a shaky and imperfect but functional democracy. Some restrictions on Syndicalist and right-populist parties remain, as well as an active Klan insurgency in the South, but the USA is broadly functional. Syndicalist loyalties in the Midwest likely remain strong despite federal propaganda, but the USA is likely slightly more left-wing economically and on some social issues than OTL (due to reflexive dislike of powerful political blocs in the new regime towards political violence, and the violent Klan insurgency), though it remains illiberal compared to the OTL USA. Black people have the vote, but parties to the left of Barack Obama are banned or heavily restricted, and parties to the right of 2012 general election Mitt Romney remain under close scrutiny due to the legacy of Long and Pelley. Politics is very concerned with proper decorum, and scruffy dress, lower-class manners and mannerisms, or bombastic attitudes like Huey's are likely to kill a political career.
Provisional Military Government of the United States of America (military junta, American Caesar):
De Facto authoritarian, borderline totalitarian unitary military dictatorship under permanent "state of emergency". All left-wing activism is banned, as is the right-wing equivalent. Mac Daddy ends up somewhere around George W. Bush on the dated left-right spectrum, and America's economy is wholly owned by the military-industrial complex. A constant military presence, funded by a massive chunk of GDP, continuously monitors the streets for "potential traitors" to Mac Daddy. MacArthur's portrait is on almost every wall and his corncob pipe is a fad with upper-middle-class youth. Lower-class resentment remains high, but so far the CIA and FBI are effective at rooting out potential Syndicalist sympathizers. Co-option of many Southern elites has left Mac Daddy's only problem down there a few lynchings and some ethnic cleansing of black people, but they aren't Army men so Mac Daddy's willing to let it slide to keep the KKK from stirring up more trouble than they're already causing or starting another civil war.
And my ranking of where I'd like to live, from most to least:
People's Republic of the United States of America (Syndicalist/Unionist)
United States of America (Curtis, civil war avoided)
United States of America (Federalist/Radsoc)
<gap>
United States of America (Democratic, American Cincinattus)
<'nother gap>
Worker's States of America (Foster, Communist)
<big gap>
American Union State (Huey, populist dictatorship)
Provisional Military Government of the United States of America (MacDaddy, American Caesar)
<small gap>
Union of American Socialist Republics (Browder, Totalist)
<small gap>
United Christian States of America (Pelley and the Klan, fascist regime)
People's Republic of the United States of America (Syndicalist/Unionist)
United States of America (Curtis, civil war avoided)
United States of America (Federalist/Radsoc)
<gap>
United States of America (Democratic, American Cincinattus)
<'nother gap>
Worker's States of America (Foster, Communist)
<big gap>
American Union State (Huey, populist dictatorship)
Provisional Military Government of the United States of America (MacDaddy, American Caesar)
<small gap>
Union of American Socialist Republics (Browder, Totalist)
<small gap>
United Christian States of America (Pelley and the Klan, fascist regime)
About the same as OTL. Tech was about a year ahead in Europe during the '30s and '40s, but then the devastation of WK2: Electric Boogaloo and the chaos that swept most of the planet during that resulted in major damage to industry and a slowdown post-war. By 2018 the only major difference is the politics.
America and Germany lead in tech by sheer monetary and manpower advantages; Germany, being much like the OTL USA but with a figurehead monarch, has a lot of bleeding edge tech but doesn't do so hot in putting it into practice sometimes, while the PRUSA is a manufacturing giant, can maintain a stupidly massive fleet, and is very good at taking tech about 5 years out of date and making it work a lot better than one might expect. The British are really fond of New Syndicalist Science, which has left them ironically sort of like OTL Japan, a tech-leading island nation with power outsized compared to its resourced and physical size. France is becoming more dependend on collaboration with Britain and American hand-me-downs but can still maintain a mostly domestic jet fighter program.
The *Cold War was less vicious than ours, but has gone on for longer, and there's still a heavily militarized border between Socialist France and social-democratic Germany and its alliance. However, since alt-Macron (a charismatic, carefully-moderate socialist) and *Merkel (a left-leaning centrist, rather than right-leaning centrist) are getting along and the German public is increasingly anti-war, the tensions are starting to drop and plans are being made for a final, proper peace treaty. This will likely depress military tech growth but improve the civilian sector.
Well here is my list:
United States of America (Curtis, civil war avoided)
United States of America (Federalist/Radsoc)
<Big gap>
United States of America (Democratic, American Cincinattus)
<gap>
People's Republic of the United States of America (Syndicalist/Unionist)
Provisional Military Government of the United States of America (MacDaddy, American Caesar)
<big gap>
American Union State (Huey, populist dictatorship)
<Big gap>
Union of American Socialist Republics (Browder, Totalist)
Worker's States of America (Foster, Communist)
<small gap>
United Christian States of America (Pelley and the Klan, fascist regime)
So yeah what do you guys think?
United States of America (Curtis, civil war avoided)
United States of America (Federalist/Radsoc)
<Big gap>
United States of America (Democratic, American Cincinattus)
<gap>
People's Republic of the United States of America (Syndicalist/Unionist)
Provisional Military Government of the United States of America (MacDaddy, American Caesar)
<big gap>
American Union State (Huey, populist dictatorship)
<Big gap>
Union of American Socialist Republics (Browder, Totalist)
Worker's States of America (Foster, Communist)
<small gap>
United Christian States of America (Pelley and the Klan, fascist regime)
So yeah what do you guys think?
Been a while since I played the CSA, what's the difference between Foster and Browder again? Is Browder Nazbol while Foster is with the Jacobins?