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You'd be suprised. Given how there were quite a few collaborators who worked with the Nazis across Europe even as they actively worked to exterminate their people (Vlasov comes to mind), I'd say there would be a fair few Irish who would prioritize careers over nationalism.
A photo of Lord Russel of Liverpool, one of the financiers behind the rise of the Silver Shirts in Britain. He later advised Freedom Party officials about developing more efficient fundraising methods.
Staff of the Dominican Embassy in Richmond with Trujillo, 1939. Trujillo was cultivated as an ally of the Freedom Party early on in its rule, and a new embassy was opened in early 1934. As a form of cultural outreach, Dominican music and food was brought over to the Confederacy. Party officials were photographed at banquets laden with food from Trujillo's country and Dominican officer cadets began attending Confederate military schools.
Hermann Goering with his commanders to watch Fallschirmjäger parade in Brussels in April 1945 circa.
Hermann Wilhelm Goering was the Generalfeldmarschall of the Luftstreitkräfte in charge of the German air defense against the Bomber Harris terror raids with his RAF across the Fatherland of Germany during the Second Great War. By 1943 when the war started turn against the Radius power, Generalfeldmarschall Goering was promoted by Luftstreitkräfte General Manfred von Richthofen to be the head of the strategical bombings to be started operations in Entente cities as soon as possible for the Central Power. He launch operation to started air bombings with his aircrafts in London, Paris and Petrograd that caused numerous damages on military industry and government capabilities during the Actionist rule by mid 1943. In the end stages of the war, Goering order the Wunderwaffe of the Superbombs be deployed on Petrograd and Soon later changed to be Paris and London when both refused to surrender to the Germany.
After V-Day, Goering participated in many celebrations and parades over his achievements as the lead Kommandant of the air bombing in the war. this unfortunately caused him to cut his life short as he consumed too much morphine that caused to pass away from heart attacks in 1946 but the cover up story was he died of the trauma of the Second Great War. His death caused ripple effects on Germany as people viewed him as the defender of the fatherland against the entente terror raids and ending the war with a quick victory over germany enemies in europe.
Even though that Goering is remain to the most popular figures in the Central power forces, that doesn't mean he isn't a beloved figure to many would think. Before the war, Goering talk about his Antisemitic belief viciously during his time in the Luftstreitkräfte with his command and when the Actionist-sponsored pogroms of 1930s happened that resulted in many Jewish refugees pouring into Germany, he think they would be a burden to the Fatherland. Even after the discovery of the Rhineland runs horrific Jewish ghetto, he thought it was Jewish exaggeration to have some sympathy to took away from German people went through in the war.
After Japan switch to foe to friend in the SGW and soon becoming the third powerful empire in the world stage. Goering said this controversial quote, “We fought the wrong enemy” as the rise of the Japanese empire in the far east that threatened the joint German-American influence in postwar. There's evidence that Goering dislike the Japanese as he subscribed to the yellow peril myth that would destroy the European Prestige and had racist views on them as "Blood thirsty barbarians taking the land that isn't theirs". Hermann Goering journals was released by his family and give to historians in 1986. It's describe that if there was ever a war between the Germany and Japan, Goering would deliver the same fate with the Japanese cities as with the Superbombs on London and Paris which make him more controversial figure and less popular especially during the frozen conflict still raging in that time.
Even though there still monuments and respect to fight the Actionist terror that caused numerous suffering, Goering still remain a controversial figure in the German military aviation and Second Great War memory.
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Rare photo of a Bastille Day celebration during the First Great War, made to boost morale in the French population, ca. 1915.
Why do people feel the need to try to find a Confederate "version" of anything and everything German? Excessive parallelism is one of TL-191's biggest faults, why do people actively want to play into it more?
It can be annoying at times but it also gives people a groundwork from which to build off of creatively when you might not know where to start off from if creating something completely new and alternate. Besides, we can't let Ol' Harry T have all the fun of easy worldbuilding
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I posted on here about Erika still being a patriotic song in the Second Great War promoting defense of the Fatherland.
Photo of American Marines on the southern bank of the Ohio River, ca. Early 1943.
Would marines even be stationed on the mainland in the war? I can’t really see them fighting anywhere in the war outside the Pacific and Atlantic/Caribbean
U.S. Marines attack somewhere in Baja California during the Second Great War, and with the Confederacy the #1 threat the case can be easily made that a few U.S. Marine divisions are kept in parts of the U.S. to fight the Confederacy.
Oh yeah I remember that. I think they landed at the tip while the Army pushed down from California
A grainy photo of the remains of Tower Bridge in London (one year after the Superbombing of the city) taken by a German soldier, c. 1945.
That soldier would later comment: "What was once one of the most iconic structures in the city, now stood out like a carcass."
A photo of a restored London Bridge, c. 2024. In the 1960s, a campaign was undertaken by the British Government to restore the bridge as part of the Government's greater rebuilding program set for London.
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The Massacre, Affair and Legacy of the Mountain
Meadow
Monument of the victims in Mountain Meadows Massacre, September 2020
In 1857 September 7-11, An groups of Mormon militiamen attacked and killed over 120 emigrants of the Arkansas wagon train in the Mountain Meadow in Utah and take in the 17th survivors who are under seven years of ages old and give them to local Mormon families. This atrocity in the middle of the Utah War that was crisis between the Mormon and US army where the population of the latter saints was worried about possible invasion and destruction of their faith similar to what they experienced in Missouri 19 years later. Immediately following that incident, the mormons tried to cover up the massacre by blaming the Indians they allied with, perpetrators families were miscommunicated from the Church and tried to prevent the possible invasion by the US military. Then US army led by Major James Henry started investigating the incident before the War of Secession stop that immediately and focusing on Robbie E. Lee marching army.
In late 1870s, US started reached out on the meadow perpetrators as a show a force after humiliating themselves in the in the war secession war a decade prior. The Mormon church led by Brigtham Young in Salt Lake City tried to make sure they were overseeing the cases of Meadows but got rejected harshly by the US military officials as they think the Latter Day Saints will reduce their involvement in the massacre of meadows and try to prevent harsh penalties for the Mormons in Utah. Union military would later find, jailed and eventually executed anyone that were involved with the massacre including the main local leaders of the massacres and make sure that the victims would be the last ones who would be killed by Mormonism in US solis.
This whole case grew into a larger issue in Utah and beyond as the question of Mormons religion and Utah territory became state were coming to question under increase federal authority in Philadelphia. This affair in Utah increase already existing distrust of the LDS Church and anti-Mormon rhetoric spread among Federal officials who believe the religion in this would be troublesome and described by Californian governor as “Murderous polygamists cult”.
This affair between the Mormon church and Federal Government regarding the case of handling the massacres of Mountain Meadows to fill tension with the US army in Utah would be known as Meadow Affair 1874-1877 by other later historians in the American humiliation era.
Anti Mormon political cartoon of Skull of Utah have victims of Meadows goes to the cave of despair, 1876
The response of the US government was came at a surprise and shock for the Mormons living in Utah as the Union harsh penalty and frequently overturn the church authority from the case leave them to believe that they would be powerless to protect their religion in the future. This affair would make them remember what they had experienced in the state of Missouri with persecute, violence and eventual order to expelled them from the state entirely by the Sixth Missouri governor, Lilburn Boggs.
This enlightening previous paranoia of an invasion by the US military that were presences in the Utah war of 1857 and the teaching of outsiders in Mormon teachings increase following the Affair. The Mormon doctrine becomes more Isolated outside of Utah and the increasing anti-Mormon sentiment across American states makes the church paranoid and distrusted gentiles. These actions were led the main reasons why the Mormons decided to revolt to be independent country separate from the United States who were supported by the Confederacy during the War of 1881.
This is not only affected Utah but the rest of America as the massacre were use as fuel to distrust Mormons as violent cultists who murder innocent travelers who pursue in the American dream and justify their oppression against the faith of the Latter Day Saints . The Meadows massacre were unfortunately used to justify violence and riots against the Mormon community as a dangerous threat for American citizens whom were aspire to kill them like in Meadows. This even has multiple massacres against the Mormons for retaliation in Mountain Meadows and other hateful beliefs against the LDS in the Utahn troubles into late 19th and early 20th century. Even in 2024, they are still Americans who distrust and have biases against the Mormons because of the incident of meadows massacre in Utah even though many Mormons believe those who are responsible were monsters who taking out their paranoia on unarmed innocent civilians.
The massacre didn’t stop at the wagon train in mount meadows, but only fuel the flames of anti Mormon violence across America into the hateful inferno that we still felt to this day.
Meadow
Monument of the victims in Mountain Meadows Massacre, September 2020
In 1857 September 7-11, An groups of Mormon militiamen attacked and killed over 120 emigrants of the Arkansas wagon train in the Mountain Meadow in Utah and take in the 17th survivors who are under seven years of ages old and give them to local Mormon families. This atrocity in the middle of the Utah War that was crisis between the Mormon and US army where the population of the latter saints was worried about possible invasion and destruction of their faith similar to what they experienced in Missouri 19 years later. Immediately following that incident, the mormons tried to cover up the massacre by blaming the Indians they allied with, perpetrators families were miscommunicated from the Church and tried to prevent the possible invasion by the US military. Then US army led by Major James Henry started investigating the incident before the War of Secession stop that immediately and focusing on Robbie E. Lee marching army.
In late 1870s, US started reached out on the meadow perpetrators as a show a force after humiliating themselves in the in the war secession war a decade prior. The Mormon church led by Brigtham Young in Salt Lake City tried to make sure they were overseeing the cases of Meadows but got rejected harshly by the US military officials as they think the Latter Day Saints will reduce their involvement in the massacre of meadows and try to prevent harsh penalties for the Mormons in Utah. Union military would later find, jailed and eventually executed anyone that were involved with the massacre including the main local leaders of the massacres and make sure that the victims would be the last ones who would be killed by Mormonism in US solis.
This whole case grew into a larger issue in Utah and beyond as the question of Mormons religion and Utah territory became state were coming to question under increase federal authority in Philadelphia. This affair in Utah increase already existing distrust of the LDS Church and anti-Mormon rhetoric spread among Federal officials who believe the religion in this would be troublesome and described by Californian governor as “Murderous polygamists cult”.
This affair between the Mormon church and Federal Government regarding the case of handling the massacres of Mountain Meadows to fill tension with the US army in Utah would be known as Meadow Affair 1874-1877 by other later historians in the American humiliation era.
Anti Mormon political cartoon of Skull of Utah have victims of Meadows goes to the cave of despair, 1876
The response of the US government was came at a surprise and shock for the Mormons living in Utah as the Union harsh penalty and frequently overturn the church authority from the case leave them to believe that they would be powerless to protect their religion in the future. This affair would make them remember what they had experienced in the state of Missouri with persecute, violence and eventual order to expelled them from the state entirely by the Sixth Missouri governor, Lilburn Boggs.
This enlightening previous paranoia of an invasion by the US military that were presences in the Utah war of 1857 and the teaching of outsiders in Mormon teachings increase following the Affair. The Mormon doctrine becomes more Isolated outside of Utah and the increasing anti-Mormon sentiment across American states makes the church paranoid and distrusted gentiles. These actions were led the main reasons why the Mormons decided to revolt to be independent country separate from the United States who were supported by the Confederacy during the War of 1881.
This is not only affected Utah but the rest of America as the massacre were use as fuel to distrust Mormons as violent cultists who murder innocent travelers who pursue in the American dream and justify their oppression against the faith of the Latter Day Saints . The Meadows massacre were unfortunately used to justify violence and riots against the Mormon community as a dangerous threat for American citizens whom were aspire to kill them like in Meadows. This even has multiple massacres against the Mormons for retaliation in Mountain Meadows and other hateful beliefs against the LDS in the Utahn troubles into late 19th and early 20th century. Even in 2024, they are still Americans who distrust and have biases against the Mormons because of the incident of meadows massacre in Utah even though many Mormons believe those who are responsible were monsters who taking out their paranoia on unarmed innocent civilians.
The massacre didn’t stop at the wagon train in mount meadows, but only fuel the flames of anti Mormon violence across America into the hateful inferno that we still felt to this day.
so Germany might kept that Panzerlied song around during 2GW then did the Confederates had their own Panzerlied maybe Barrelied for them.