Naval Equipment that should and shouldn't have entered service

Sa'ar 5s don't have a role in the US Navy. They don't have the desired range or seakeeping for overseas ops, and almost certainly don't have the required durability. And the lack of a medium-caliber gun is a major demerit in the kind of littoral combat the US Navy was expecting.

Personally, thinking over what was expected to be fought I'd have acquired, well, something similar to a slower, ASW-optimized Independence. A reasonably low-cost ship with the aviation facilities to provide ASW and antiship helicopter coverage to escort the minesweepers as they do their job, and enough gun armament to at least fight off some boghammers in a gunfight. Plus a frigate, though in this case I would not go with the FREMM, not in 2004. There were plenty of frigate studies floating around in the 80s, dust off one of them and update it if you need a new medium-end combatant to replace the Perries.


The Knox is too small for American frigate roles in the 90s - ships like the Type 23, F123, Halifax, and Neustrashimyy classes were all pushing 5000 tons to the 4000 of the Knox-class, and the Japanese Murasame-class were over 6000 - and in any case updating it to 90s standards would entail such a deep redesign that you're better off doing a clean-sheet design anyway. It's a friggin' steam-powered ship from the 60s, at least say you're going to update the gas-turbine Perry hull.

For the Boghammer threat in the Gulf I'd have just built an enlarged version of the Cyclone class. Build a dozen or two of the cheap little things and fit them with either a modernized 76mm Oto Malara or if you must a 57mm Bofors. But their real armament would be a couple dozen modified ATGM missiles (Hellfires, Mavericks, Javelins, Griffins, TOWS, or whatever else you like). Minimal AA of maybe a Phalanx CIWS or a SEA RAM plus a handful of Stingers. Yeah they'll be vulnerable to air attack but that's why their deployed in the gulf under friendly airpower and supported by AEGIS capable Tico's and Arleigh Burkes. Their role is to handle the swarms of light surface craft.

I always loved the Cyclone class. A lot of firepower and speed in a small package and cheap. Part of why the USN always hated them. Or if you're insistent on trying to deal with the threat with guns opt for a second 57mm Bofors as well.
 

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Cough... USS Archerfish... cough.

I remember seeing the hole made by a US 16/50 through mantlet armor intended for a Yamato.

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Navy Test Fires On 26" Thick Turret Armor From Japanese ...


Touché.

You forgot the Neselcos.

The Mark 5 dummy was defective and also the Mark 9.
To be fair the USN test was conducted at a range of around 10,000 yards using a brand new 16"/50 gun and against a piece of plate that was held at 90° and the shell hitting a nearly 0° obliquity (0.33° in one test, 0.50° in the other) Pretty much knife fighting range against a piece of plate in an orientation that would never happen in the real world.

Okun, after reviewing the data and the test conditions concluded that the 26" plate, as installed, in actual combat conditions, was:

Therefore, these plates are the only warship armor plates that could not be completely penetrated by any gun ever put on a warship when installed leaning back at 45°, as they were in the actual turrets!!!

Since Nathan is the acknowledged top authority on warship armor and shell penetration, I tend to accept his conclusions as close to received wisdom.

 
Yup, The sinking of HMS Implacable , French 74 prize of war was a terrible act of historical vandalism when viewed with todays 20/20 hindsight. When I think of her preserved in old No1 dock Portsmouth harbour adjacent to HMS Victory and consider the possibilities of 'son et Lumiere' battle re-enactments I go positively week at the knees!

Ya know now that I think about it if the RN could still board and steal French Naval ships it would solve a lot of problems. A few hundred marines storming aboard and now the RN has a nice mid sized nuclear powered carrier.

Has anyone in the Treasury proposed "Well why don't you steal the damned things from the French again?" recently?
 
The Tejas stands to mind. A project that makes the F35 look like the pinnacle of efficiency and speedy development. Started in the 80's with the planned first flight being in the early 90's. Real first flight was in the early 2000's and they didn't actually start production and reach single squadron strength till a couple years ago. Much like the F35 they intentionally from the start developed a version for the Indian Air Force and a version for the Indian Navy.

The problem is after 30 years of development the Navy completely rejected them for being too heavy for their carriers to use.
 

McPherson

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The Knox is too small for American frigate roles in the 90s - ships like the Type 23, F123, Halifax, and Neustrashimyy classes were all pushing 5000 tons to the 4000 of the Knox-class, and the Japanese Murasame-class were over 6000 - and in any case updating it to 90s standards would entail such a deep redesign that you're better off doing a clean-sheet design anyway. It's a friggin' steam-powered ship from the 60s, at least say you're going to update the gas-turbine Perry hull.
The thing is that one can be innovative. In the 1990s we have in hand a ship that as designed (~1960 ish)

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U.S. Navy - U.S. Navy All Hands magazine August 1974, p. 57.
that was (from Wiki)

General characteristics
Type:
Displacement:4,065 long tons (4,130 t) (full load)
Length:438 ft (134 m)
Beam:46 ft 9 in (14.25 m)
Draft:24 ft 9 in (7.54 m)
Installed power:
  • 2 × 1,200 psi (8,300 kPa) boilers
  • 35,000 shp (26,000 kW)
Propulsion:
  • 1 × Westinghouse steam turbine
  • 1 × shaft
Speed:27 kn (50 km/h; 31 mph)
Range:4,500 nmi (8,300 km; 5,200 mi) at 20 kn (37 km/h; 23 mph)
Complement:17 officers, 240 enlisted
Sensors and
processing systems:
Electronic warfare
& decoys:
Armament:
Aircraft carried:

The logic behind the "Knox" was a robot helicopter (failed, the tech was too early), decent radar, a for the era decent air defense SAM and gun, excellent ASW systems (even by today's standards for blue water work), a proven simple and effective marine power plant in a seaworthy and mass-produceable in case of war pre-fab hull. Notice the Battle of the Atlantic lessons learned?

Now this is the FREMM (US) FFG proposed as the current model.

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My complaints.

1. CODLAG is a cutout system that does not allow the gas turbine to power the electric motors if the diesels fail and vice versa. This is idiotic as it is clutch in and out of the final electric motor drives from the gas turbine (and the diesels). It is a complexification and space wastage issue that institutes unnecessary fail paths.

2. This is a long delayed and downscaled system which is the "combat eyes" of the proposed ship.

AMDR-System-Overview-1.jpg

On the FREMM (US) the panel array coverage is 3x and there is a serious mechanical design exploit that leaves the FREMM (US) vulnerable.

3. The 57/70 compact gun. Discussion. I already have issues with the auto-loader and the 3P ammunition.
4. Seaworthiness. draft/beam / length P: 6.7, 15.2 and top-heavy unless that is an aluminum superstructure?
5. NSM is a good missile but it is short-ranged.
6. RAM launcher is an OHP air defense coverage bolo. Seriously? USS Stark Lesson?

In fact this package of system of systems reflects everything not learned from the USS Harold Rainsford Stark^1 fiasco.
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^1 Ship named for the worst admiral in USN history.

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Knox hull.

There is room for a CODAG, but one must accept slower speed and a slightly shorter range for the compact plant. diesel-electric is direct path, while the gas-turbine-electric can be clutched in. I am whole hog for CNR steam plant myself. Cheap, reliable and easily mass produced.

The MACK if one is a CODAG fan can be a 4x mount for AESA radar billboards. No blind spots.

Automate. The tech is now proven so reduced crew is possible. Just do not fubar it like the LCS was.

Robot helicopters? Doable. Make it part of the weapon system launch logic as an additional set of eyes and launch platforms. EXPENDABLE item. Manned helos are not.

AAW /AShW/ASW... Might have to be radical and go SAM/AShM/ASROC and forego the gun. What about small-fry in green water operations? That is what the ATGMs are for Raymond.

Can it be done on 4000 tonnes?

Yes.
 

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For the Boghammer threat in the Gulf I'd have just built an enlarged version of the Cyclone class. Build a dozen or two of the cheap little things and fit them with either a modernized 76mm Oto Malara or if you must a 57mm Bofors. But their real armament would be a couple dozen modified ATGM missiles (Hellfires, Mavericks, Javelins, Griffins, TOWS, or whatever else you like). Minimal AA of maybe a Phalanx CIWS or a SEA RAM plus a handful of Stingers. Yeah they'll be vulnerable to air attack but that's why their deployed in the gulf under friendly airpower and supported by AEGIS capable Tico's and Arleigh Burkes. Their role is to handle the swarms of light surface craft.

I always loved the Cyclone class. A lot of firepower and speed in a small package and cheap. Part of why the USN always hated them. Or if you're insistent on trying to deal with the threat with guns opt for a second 57mm Bofors as well.
I was always something of a fan of hydrofoil designs.

The U.S. already had the ultimate counter to the "Boghammer threat". The Pegasus class patrol boat. Faster than hell (48 knots/55mph) heavily armed (1x76mm, 2x4 Harpoon canisters and a couple machine guns) cheap as Two Buck Chuck. Want to chase after a thief, build something that moves like it just stole something.

 
Ya know now that I think about it if the RN could still board and steal French Naval ships it would solve a lot of problems. A few hundred marines storming aboard and now the RN has a nice mid sized nuclear powered carrier.

The only country that would have problems solved by the RN nicking the Charlie G would be France.
 

McPherson

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To be fair the USN test was conducted at a range of around 10,000 yards using a brand new 16"/50 gun and against a piece of plate that was held at 90° and the shell hitting a nearly 0° obliquity (0.33° in one test, 0.50° in the other) Pretty much knife fighting range against a piece of plate in an orientation that would never happen in the real world.
Okun must not have been at First or Second Guadalcanal or Cape Matapan. Knife fights at < 7000 meters. Angle of line shots approx 0 degrees. At the very least, that plate would have shattered and back-spalled into the gun-house. At the same site (Navweaps). Okun admits that a non-penetrator (as happened) would punch out a plug that would do nasty things inside that gun-house.

Also... the shells used were "inert slugs", i.e. not filled with an explosive charge.

So I regard Okun's comment "Not proven" as "dubious".

It must be remarked that the Yamato's belt (41 cm) was proof against IJN 41 cm guns, which was the worst the IJN thought the USN could do.

They were wrong.
 
And even the old girl took a long time to go even with her bottom blown out. She really earned her name that day
wooden ships do not sink easily. Unless they have some dense weight on them (guns, shot, etc) their structure will wallow at the surface for a long time
 
They also failed to account for something that they never faced, mainly because the super BB time had passed.

They weren't the ONLY country that could build 18" guns. The really harsh reality was that, push comes to shove the RN and USN had perfectly acceptable 18"/46cm designs and the capacity to both produce them much more quickly than the Japanese (in volume, the actual process of producing a tube still takes time) and modify current designs or mover forward with new designs and produce them in time frames that the Japanese could not imagine.

The actually constructed the Yamato class to handle the RN Queen Elizabeth class, and the U.S. Standards, up to the Colorado class. It was matter of a professional officer corps and national government committing the same sin that were regularly tear apart in threads. They believed that their opponents would spend years sitting around drinking lead paint cocktails while the Empire produced a few monster ships (it is worth noting that the Montana class, had it been constructed, would have had a level of protection sufficient to provide a significant "invulnerable zone" against the 46cm gun). the U.S. was going to produce five of them, with the fifth likely being in service before the Shinano reached the same state for the IJN.*

It was yet another "power of positive thinking" decision making by the IJN, fully in keeping with the entire "Decisive Battle" mantra, where the enemy does exactly what has to be done, in exactly the proper series of steps to recreate Tsushima.

*The first two Iowa class ships went from First Steel to commission in 30 months, it is not unreasonable to expect the Montanas to be in the same range. The Yamato was 63 months from keel to "deemed operational". The Japanese only had two slipways that could construct the Yamato class, the U.S. had over half a dozen (IOTL those were all occupied by Essex construction, but if the carrier had for some bizarre reason not supplanted the battleship the U.S. could readily have had six Iowa and five Montana in service before Shinano was "deemed operational".
Agreed. That's all ultimately not the fault of the design, but of the designers not being able to project forward reasonably accurately (or at all... :rolleyes: ), & that failing is a product of IJN's education, training, & officer selection processes.

Come to that, how many of the awful designs mentioned in this thread are due to the same kinds of mistakes? Not bad designs as such, but plain stupid requirements?

Yeah, that question might reasonably be called a derail.:eek:
 
They really do, for Japan. The flaw ultimately isn't the design, it's the doctrine (or operational theory) that produced it. IJN fell for the idea of armor strong enough to withstand any gun on the planet, & believed their own gunnery (& 460mm guns) were exceptional. The second was untrue; the first produced a ship Japan's turbine engineering/production capacity couldn't properly service (not enough horsepower in the available space). Compounding the problem, IJN officers couldn't recognize the industrial limits...

My nominees:
The interwar Mackerels. They were too small for the Pacific & too austere for SWPA. If the Navy needed training boats, S-boats could've been used.
They were experiments to find out if a useful sub could be built smaller than the 'fleet boat' concept. Just like the Aronaught and Nautilus were too large. Until they tried they couldn't be sure what size was 'right'
I'd also name the interwar/wartime MAN & HOR submarine diesels.:eek:
Again it seemed good on paper so they needed some to try. Look at the Nevada and New mexico class Battleships. Same design different engines. Nevada got turbines, Oklahoma got triple expansion. New Mexico got turbo-electric, Mississippi got geared turbines. That way the Navy could test new propulsion systems in similar hulls. Or the Nautilus with a pressurized water reactor and the Seawolf with a liquid sodium cooled reactor (That one they converted to a pressurized water one after a few years of problems)
The Mark VI exploder (not a detonator) is so obvious, it needs no mention (& a few have already beaten me to it ;) ).
Now that was just a bureaucratic clusterf*#k
 
I'm going to nominate the Royal Sovereign class Battleships as ships that should never have been built. While I understand the logic of wanting cheaper Battleships they should have bitten the bullet and at the very least built repeat Queen Elizabeth class ships tweaked so that they could actually meet their designed top speed if not exceed it.
The problem was the RN had not fully been sold on oil (which had to be imported from overseas) as a primary fuel source. They were willing to use it for ships that needed the extra power (usually for speed) but wanted to maintain coal as the primary fuel for the main fleet.
 

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Agreed. That's all ultimately not the fault of the design, but of the designers not being able to project forward reasonably accurately (or at all... :rolleyes: ), & that failing is a product of IJN's education, training, & officer selection processes.

Come to that, how many of the awful designs mentioned in this thread are due to the same kinds of mistakes? Not bad designs as such, but plain stupid requirements?

Yeah, that question might reasonably be called a derail.:eek:
The fault almost always lies with either the Senior Naval Officials, or occasionally the Politicians the military answers to.

The Navy wants the ship to have XYZ equipment armor, speed. The politicians say, well, you can have ABC money. The designers then either go, cool, Leather seat covers for everybody (generally speaking, this is the WW II U.S. Navy) or tell the buyers XYZ will cost ABC+DE, OR ABC will buy XY with a less z (everybody else).

In addition to the Yamatos, an exceptional example of this is the Bismarck class. the KM wanted a design that would absolutely kick ass at Jutland. Designers gave them one. Problem is that Jutland was then, the now was warships with 30°-40° main battery elevations and the concept of Plunging Fire. As a result the Bismark Class had a super thing belt that was about 8 feet too narrow and insufficient deck armor (don't even want to start on the stupidity of designing a ship, in the 1930s, with a separate single purpose 15cm secondary and 10.5cm AAA heavy battery. while there was a simply lovely 12.7cm/61 gun just sort of sitting there).
 
On the FREMM (US) the panel array coverage is 3x and there is a serious mechanical design exploit that leaves the FREMM (US) vulnerable.
It may only be a 3-panel setup but eyeballing it it doesn't seem to have any major blind spots. And what is this design exploit?

4. Seaworthiness. draft/beam / length P: 6.7, 15.2 and top-heavy unless that is an aluminum superstructure?
How so? It's got a fuller hull form than the Burkes and those don't show topweight problems. Well, not until the cramming really sets in.

5. NSM is a good missile but it is short-ranged.
Given it's supposed to be the short-range low-footprint part of the antiship equation, and that the high end is likely to be a hypersonic weapon that won't fit on a frigate anyway, I fail to see what the problem is.

6. RAM launcher is an OHP air defense coverage bolo. Seriously? USS Stark Lesson?
You're gonna have to elaborate on that one, chief.

Knox hull.

There is room for a CODAG, but one must accept slower speed and a slightly shorter range for the compact plant. diesel-electric is direct path, while the gas-turbine-electric can be clutched in. I am whole hog for CNR steam plant myself. Cheap, reliable and easily mass produced.

The MACK if one is a CODAG fan can be a 4x mount for AESA radar billboards. No blind spots.

Automate. The tech is now proven so reduced crew is possible. Just do not fubar it like the LCS was.

Robot helicopters? Doable. Make it part of the weapon system launch logic as an additional set of eyes and launch platforms. EXPENDABLE item. Manned helos are not.

AAW /AShW/ASW... Might have to be radical and go SAM/AShM/ASROC and forego the gun. What about small-fry in green water operations? That is what the ATGMs are for Raymond.

Can it be done on 4000 tonnes?

Yes.
No, it can't. Singapore's Formidable-class frigates are the closest thing to your idea that are also under 4000 tons. But they also fall flat in multiple categories that are going to cost tonnage.

Their radar is Herakles, a two-axis rotating PESA array. Not only do you need more tonnage for the extra power and cooling requirements of an AESA array, a 4-panel fixed arrangement is going to be heavier than the rotating array. So that's several hundred tons right there.

The Formidable-class is a CODAD-powered ship. A CODAG arrangement is going to be bulkier, let alone anything bringing in electric motors. So that's more tonnage. It also means carrying more fuel for their range, and that's more tonnage.

The Formidable class only has 71 core crew, which seems to me to be dangerously close to LCS levels of automation. That's more tonnage for crew accommodations.

The Formidable-class, being a French-built ship, is not going to be up to US Navy standards in structural strength. So that's a couple hundred tons of extra structural steel right there. I also have my doubts, given their compact size compared to their weapons fit, about being up to US Navy standards in growth margin.

Sylver A50 and A43 are significantly more compact than tactical-length Mark 41. So that's yet more tonnage.

Even foregoing a gun and downgrading the helicopter facilities for a smaller drone helicopter, I'm extremely skeptical of this coming in at under 5000 tons.

As for a straight Knox hull, that has no accommodations for signature reduction measures, which like it or not are part of the cost of admission these days, and considering you think the Constellations are too top-heavy I don't know why you think the much slimmer Knoxes would be any better in that regard. Then you consider having to replace all the steam piping, and yeah, at this point you're making a clean-sheet hull anyway.

As for CNR plants, where are you getting the reactor personnel for them? The US Navy has enough trouble getting reactor personnel for its carriers and submarines, this is going to drive up crew costs and that's the last thing the US Navy needs, not to mention it takes the intent of the crew automations and shanks it right in the kidneys. The macks... no, I don't think that's a good idea. They went away for a good reason - namely, the exhaust gases corroding the radars - and in any case they only supported old-school mechanically-scanned search radars, not significantly larger, heavier, and more infrastructure-intensive multi-panel phased-array installations.

And then there's the fact that I find the entire logic of trying to keep the tonnage down counterproductive. This is not the 1930s. The size of the hull has relation to the eventual cost of the ship mostly in that larger ships tend to carry more and more capable weapons and sensors. The combat systems are the largest part of the cost. Tonnage is cheap, and more tonnage can actually save money, because the more cramped a ship is the more expensive it is due to how much of a pain in the ass it can be to fit everything. That's one of the reasons the Flight III Burkes are so much more expensive than their IIA predecessors. I'd submit that it's far better of an idea to bite the bullet and build a 6000 or even 7000-ton frigate than try to cram all these combat systems in a smaller hull.
 
The problem was the RN had not fully been sold on oil (which had to be imported from overseas) as a primary fuel source. They were willing to use it for ships that needed the extra power (usually for speed) but wanted to maintain coal as the primary fuel for the main fleet.
It wasn't so much a case of not being sold on oil as not being sold on the oil logistical network. Two successive studies that Churchill put together specifically to try and get oil to look attractive came back with the recommendation that Britain needed a large fuel reserve before completely committing to oil. This was never going to be acceptable to the Government and Treasury in peacetime and so oil was never fully adapted. In hindsight had they focused more on the transport ability than on which nation had more stake in which oil company they may have been better off. But they didn't know that at the time.
 
They were experiments to find out if a useful sub could be built smaller than the 'fleet boat' concept. Just like the Aronaught and Nautilus were too large. Until they tried they couldn't be sure what size was 'right'
I'm gonna have to disagree. The Cachalots were already too small, & they were bigger & (about) 8yr older. BuC&R had gotten it right with Porpoises or Salmons (depending on if you want four diesels); the Mackerels were a retrograde step by Hart, who disliked the big, "luxurious" fleet boats (with "comforts" like air conditioning). (I'd like to have subjected him to 60 days aboard a Mackerel, or an S-boat, in SWPA.:rolleyes: )
Again it seemed good on paper so they needed some to try. Look at the Nevada and New mexico class Battleships. Same design different engines. Nevada got turbines, Oklahoma got triple expansion. New Mexico got turbo-electric, Mississippi got geared turbines. That way the Navy could test new propulsion systems in similar hulls. Or the Nautilus with a pressurized water reactor and the Seawolf with a liquid sodium cooled reactor (That one they converted to a pressurized water one after a few years of problems)
In theory, good idea. When the flaws start popping up (&, IIRC, they did fairly promptly), these engines should have been replaced immediately. (I also think more testing of these designs before acceptance would have been a good idea...except that's something USN seemed very reluctant to do in the '30s.)
Now that was just a bureaucratic clusterf*#k
Amen. Stand 'em up against a wall.
 

McPherson

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It may only be a 3-panel setup but eyeballing it it doesn't seem to have any major blind spots. And what is this design exploit?
Aft.
How so? It's got a fuller hull form than the Burkes and those don't show topweight problems. Well, not until the cramming really sets in.
The draft to length is not the problem. The beam is. It is a Mediterranean boat that will be expected to perform Atlantic duty.
Given it's supposed to be the short-range low-footprint part of the antiship equation, and that the high end is likely to be a hypersonic weapon that won't fit on a frigate anyway, I fail to see what the problem is.
Time in flight.
You're gonna have to elaborate on that one, chief.
Aft.
No, it can't. Singapore's Formidable-class frigates are the closest thing to your idea that are also under 4000 tons. But they also fall flat in multiple categories that are going to cost tonnage.
You might have to elaborate.
Their radar is Herakles, a two-axis rotating PESA array. Not only do you need more tonnage for the extra power and cooling requirements of an AESA array, a 4-panel fixed arrangement is going to be heavier than the rotating array. So that's several hundred tons right there.
Yet the Enterprise radar has the same exact problem.
The Formidable-class is a CODAD-powered ship. A CODAG arrangement is going to be bulkier, let alone anything bringing in electric motors. So that's more tonnage. It also means carrying more fuel for their range, and that's more tonnage.
Not in a 25 knot hull.
The Formidable class only has 71 core crew, which seems to me to be dangerously close to LCS levels of automation. That's more tonnage for crew accommodations.
Hotbunk and adjust for about 125.
The Formidable-class, being a French-built ship, is not going to be up to US Navy standards in structural strength. So that's a couple hundred tons of extra structural steel right there. I also have my doubts, given their compact size compared to their weapons fit, about being up to US Navy standards in growth margin.
There is very little margin on the FREMM.
Sylver A50 and A43 are significantly more compact than tactical-length Mark 41. So that's yet more tonnage.
Agreed. Remove the gun.
Even foregoing a gun and downgrading the helicopter facilities for a smaller drone helicopter, I'm extremely skeptical of this coming in at under 5000 tons.
CNR steam plant just might do it.
As for a straight Knox hull, that has no accommodations for signature reduction measures, which like it or not are part of the cost of admission these days, and considering you think the Constellations are too top-heavy I don't know why you think the much slimmer Knoxes would be any better in that regard. Then you consider having to replace all the steam piping, and yeah, at this point you're making a clean-sheet hull anyway.
Agreed, but the point is a start point for a cheap mass produceable frigate. Wartime bottleneck and lessons learned was a fancy bells and whistles ship that took too much time to build, cost too much and was not available in numbers needed. The Knox was designed to be mass produced.
As for CNR plants, where are you getting the reactor personnel for them? The US Navy has enough trouble getting reactor personnel for its carriers and submarines, this is going to drive up crew costs and that's the last thing the US Navy needs, not to mention it takes the intent of the crew automations and shanks it right in the kidneys. The macks... no, I don't think that's a good idea. They went away for a good reason - namely, the exhaust gases corroding the radars - and in any case they only supported old-school mechanically-scanned search radars, not significantly larger, heavier, and more infrastructure-intensive multi-panel phased-array installations.
CNR. contained compact nuclear reactor module. A power egg. If she goes tango-uniform, SCUTTLE. Otherwise, it is a standard steam plant with a weird boiler.

MACKs are a problem, but TR billboards are cheaper than what we used to have. And build a stiffer MACK
And then there's the fact that I find the entire logic of trying to keep the tonnage down counterproductive. This is not the 1930s. The size of the hull has relation to the eventual cost of the ship mostly in that larger ships tend to carry more and more capable weapons and sensors. The combat systems are the largest part of the cost. Tonnage is cheap, and more tonnage can actually save money, because the more cramped a ship is the more expensive it is due to how much of a pain in the ass it can be to fit everything. That's one of the reasons the Flight III Burkes are so much more expensive than their IIA predecessors. I'd submit that it's far better of an idea to bite the bullet and build a 6000 or even 7000-ton frigate than try to cram all these combat systems in a smaller hull.
Numbers. How many 7500 tonne FREMMS is Congress going to buy when the bow wake and cost blow out is revealed? With a 4,000 tonner "cheaper" ship, CONGRESS can be snow-jobbed.
 
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