Miscellaneous <1900 (Alternate) History Thread

VVD0D95

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had a weird blot bunny. If Mary of Modena gave birth to a son in 1686, would James still proceed as he didnotl? After all he’d started on his catholic ultra course roughly after Monmouth rebellion was defeated. And whilst there likelt won’t be as much doubt over this kids legimacy, he is still the sign of a catholic dynasty being cemented. And that fear would likely be confirmed if James abd Mary have another son in 1688.

would we see an attempt to depose James abd crown his son king or would the whole lot have to go?

@isabella @Emperor Constantine @Valena @Kellan Sullivan @Nmale
 

VVD0D95

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Ogrebear said:
Guess it might depend on what the Jacobites do in terms of getting to London.

I suspect the ruling classes opposed to the Jacobites might go West and take over.
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Ogrebear said:
Guess it might depend on what the Jacobites do in terms of getting to London.

I suspect the ruling classes opposed to the Jacobites might go West and take over.
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Oh intriguing, you don’t think they’d perhaps flee to Hanover itself?
 

VVD0D95

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VVD0D95 said:
had a weird blot bunny. If Mary of Modena gave birth to a son in 1686, would James still proceed as he didnotl? After all he’d started on his catholic ultra course roughly after Monmouth rebellion was defeated. And whilst there likelt won’t be as much doubt over this kids legimacy, he is still the sign of a catholic dynasty being cemented. And that fear would likely be confirmed if James abd Mary have another son in 1688.

would we see an attempt to depose James abd crown his son king or would the whole lot have to go?

@isabella @Emperor Constantine @Valena @Kellan Sullivan @Nmale
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Alternatively, if James and Mary had had a son born in say 1681, or 1683, whay consequences would there have been? Given the kid would’ve been born during Charles reign, but would’ve been to young to have had tutors set for them.
 

VVD0D95

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VVD0D95 said:
Alternatively, if James and Mary had had a son born in say 1681, or 1683, whay consequences would there have been? Given the kid would’ve been born during Charles reign, but would’ve been to young to have had tutors set for them.
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Building on this, I imagine if such a sin was born, he’d likely be brought with James into exile?
 
ramones1986

ramones1986

Inspired by the history of Scot language vis-à-vis Northumbrian dialect of Old English, what if an Anglic language was formed in the southwest, most specifically the erstwhile Dumnonian Peninsula (Devon and Cornwall) from West Saxon dialect?
 
TheKutKu

TheKutKu

Reading Vansina’s "How societies are born" which outlines the migrations in Angola and Namibia and some recent researchers like Vicente, 2021 which posits a pre-0 AD East African pastoralist migration to South Africa through Namibia, I Wonder if it could have been possible to have a ""Bantu Migration"" to the Cape from the north, from Namibia, admittedly given the aridity of the place it’s likely it would be more through cultural exchange than mixing
 

isabella

ordinarylittleme said:
Or if Maria lived longer?
Why wasn't Charles interested in marrying Isabella?
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Maria living longer would NOT change the fact who a wedding between John and Eleanor was already impossible.
Charles had no hurry to marry and wanted a French or English match for himself, plus Portugal had tried to force his hand putting a wedding between him and Isabella as not negotiable condition for a wedding between John and Eleanor (and Charles had no intention to accept that)
 
ordinarylittleme

ordinarylittleme

isabella said:
Maria living longer would NOT change the fact who a wedding between John and Eleanor was already impossible.
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Manuel dying younger would mean John became king earlier but this wouldn't necessarily mean he would marry Eleanor and why would Maria living longer mean John couldn't marry Eleanor?
 

isabella

ordinarylittleme said:
Manuel dying younger would mean John became king earlier but this wouldn't necessarily mean he would marry Eleanor
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John WAS interested in marrying Eleanor AND Charles wanted secure the alliance with Portugal marrying here so once John become King he would simply need to prioritize his own marriage over the one of his sister and the obstacle for the John/Eleanor wedding (who was pit by Manuel) would be removed
ordinarylittleme said:
and why would Maria living longer mean John couldn't marry Eleanor?
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Because Portugal had already made clear who John marrying Eleanor was IMPOSSIBLE unless Charles married Isabella (and Charles would not accept that). Manuel’s priority was finding a crown for Isabella NOT a wife for John or an alliance with Spain…
 

isabella

ordinarylittleme said:
Manuel wouldn't want to see his dynasty continue? And if he imposed wedding between Charles and Isabella as non negotiable then why would he NOT value an alliance with Spain?
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Manuel had a LOT of SONS so marrying his heir was NOT a priority for HIM. What truly mattered for Manuel was securing a crown for Isabella and if John was the one to paid the price for that, well that was not a problem for him. And I never said who Manuel do NOT valued an alliance with Spain only who that alliance for him was not important as Isabella’s wedding (reason for which when Charles offered Eleanor to Manuel himself instead of John, the proposal was accepted)
 

Frodopatty

What if the Qing Dynasty persisted north of the Qingling-Huaihe Line?
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isabella

ordinarylittleme said:
Understood...
And in this TL, what if Charles had already married Mary Tudor the elder?
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If Charles had kept his word and married Mary when was planned instead of delaying indefinitely the match, is NOT guaranteed who he would inherit Castile and specially Aragon. Still if Charles was already married and secure in his control of Castile and Aragon as OTL then Manuel would have no reason for blocking a match between John and Eleanor
 
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