Ok. So other than France, it's all Vermont.France. For France cannot belong to Vermont when Vermont belongs to France
Map Thread XXII
- Thread starter Balkanized U.S.A
- Start date
I wonder how much of a problem a balkanised California has with water access rights from the Colorado River to sustain its agriculture. Especially with San Joaquin which appears to contain much of the central valley cut off from the Colorado. Also, what LA and the rest of SoCal does as its own thing.
The United States of America, Reorganised
This is based on a national subdivision reorganisation project that @erictom333 is doing over on his own thread. Credit goes to him for these new states.
And credit to the following Reddit users for the flags:
- u/skipmacd for Albemarle
- u/HockeyPyro for Allegheny
- u/ScumGrundle for Calusa
- u/KaynMoor for Choctaw
- u/bmoxey for Connecticut
- u/maward for Coronado
- u/MTN_Dewit for Dakota
- u/adamolis69 for Delaware
- A deleted user for Detroit
- u/gerginborislov for Florida
- u/motx72 for Georgia
- A deleted user for Gulfland
- u/hman1025 for Hudson
- u/khartsyz for Illinois
- u/TriGN614 for Indiana
- u/abuzel for Kentucky
- A deleted user for Kanawha
- u/hx700 for Kiowa
- A deleted user for Louisiana
- u/navarretedf for Mariana
- u/CreoFan for Massachusetts
- u/alasdairgunn for Michigan
- u/gwriterprodigyh for Missouri
- u/AGneissGeologist for Mojave
- u/OrbitingMinus for Narrangansett
- u/Apathetizer for Nebraska
- u/mcf314 for Nevada
- u/Nj_flags for New Jersey
- u/Greyspeir for New Sweden
- u/Quardener for New York
- u/MikeFrench98 for Oklahoma
- u/ThatOneEvelyn for Oregon
- A deleted user for Pennsylvania
- u/Cassete-Kun for Piedmont
- u/SimplisitcFlags for Powhatan
- u/Mattador96 for Roanoke
- u/bribridude120 for San Gabriel
- u/ethyl3517 for San Joaquin
- u/QuantumEcho fro Shoshone
- u/SnowArchangel for Tennessee
- u/drlari for Washington
- karnell.tk for Watauga
- r/burrrlt0 for Wisconsin
- A deleted user for Yellowstone
Iowa once again escapes the clutches of alternate history mapmakers.
The United States of America, Reorganised
This is based on a national subdivision reorganisation project that @erictom333 is doing over on his own thread. Credit goes to him for these new states.
And credit to the following Reddit users for the flags:
- u/skipmacd for Albemarle
- u/HockeyPyro for Allegheny
- u/ScumGrundle for Calusa
- u/KaynMoor for Choctaw
- u/bmoxey for Connecticut
- u/maward for Coronado
- u/MTN_Dewit for Dakota
- u/adamolis69 for Delaware
- A deleted user for Detroit
- u/gerginborislov for Florida
- u/motx72 for Georgia
- A deleted user for Gulfland
- u/hman1025 for Hudson
- u/khartsyz for Illinois
- u/TriGN614 for Indiana
- u/abuzel for Kentucky
- A deleted user for Kanawha
- u/hx700 for Kiowa
- A deleted user for Louisiana
- u/navarretedf for Mariana
- u/CreoFan for Massachusetts
- u/alasdairgunn for Michigan
- u/gwriterprodigyh for Missouri
- u/AGneissGeologist for Mojave
- u/OrbitingMinus for Narrangansett
- u/Apathetizer for Nebraska
- u/mcf314 for Nevada
- u/Nj_flags for New Jersey
- u/Greyspeir for New Sweden
- u/Quardener for New York
- u/MikeFrench98 for Oklahoma
- u/ThatOneEvelyn for Oregon
- A deleted user for Pennsylvania
- u/Cassete-Kun for Piedmont
- u/SimplisitcFlags for Powhatan
- u/Mattador96 for Roanoke
- u/bribridude120 for San Gabriel
- u/ethyl3517 for San Joaquin
- u/QuantumEcho fro Shoshone
- u/SnowArchangel for Tennessee
- u/drlari for Washington
- karnell.tk for Watauga
- r/burrrlt0 for Wisconsin
- A deleted user for Yellowstone
They really missed out on the opportunity to have West Florida and South Florida. Also, I can see former California getting some sort of San nickname for it, given the state and capital names. An unfortunate flag for Coronado, as it seems to be one of those sorts of flags used these days when replacing local and state flags, rather than something with any appeal or history to it. Plus Jefferson’s flag should not exist, as the whole thing about it was them claiming to be double crossed by California and Oregon.
The United States of America, Reorganised
This is based on a national subdivision reorganisation project that @erictom333 is doing over on his own thread. Credit goes to him for these new states.
And credit to the following Reddit users for the flags:
- u/skipmacd for Albemarle
- u/HockeyPyro for Allegheny
- u/ScumGrundle for Calusa
- u/KaynMoor for Choctaw
- u/bmoxey for Connecticut
- u/maward for Coronado
- u/MTN_Dewit for Dakota
- u/adamolis69 for Delaware
- A deleted user for Detroit
- u/gerginborislov for Florida
- u/motx72 for Georgia
- A deleted user for Gulfland
- u/hman1025 for Hudson
- u/khartsyz for Illinois
- u/TriGN614 for Indiana
- u/abuzel for Kentucky
- A deleted user for Kanawha
- u/hx700 for Kiowa
- A deleted user for Louisiana
- u/navarretedf for Mariana
- u/CreoFan for Massachusetts
- u/alasdairgunn for Michigan
- u/gwriterprodigyh for Missouri
- u/AGneissGeologist for Mojave
- u/OrbitingMinus for Narrangansett
- u/Apathetizer for Nebraska
- u/mcf314 for Nevada
- u/Nj_flags for New Jersey
- u/Greyspeir for New Sweden
- u/Quardener for New York
- u/MikeFrench98 for Oklahoma
- u/ThatOneEvelyn for Oregon
- A deleted user for Pennsylvania
- u/Cassete-Kun for Piedmont
- u/SimplisitcFlags for Powhatan
- u/Mattador96 for Roanoke
- u/bribridude120 for San Gabriel
- u/ethyl3517 for San Joaquin
- u/QuantumEcho fro Shoshone
- u/SnowArchangel for Tennessee
- u/drlari for Washington
- karnell.tk for Watauga
- r/burrrlt0 for Wisconsin
- A deleted user for Yellowstone
Castilloverde! I hadn't noticed you were the author of this map!
The PoD is that in A.D. 363, Julian the Apostate manages to return victorious from his Persian campaign, leaving Sassanid Persia in a civil war. He has an eventful 30 year reign (barbarians and rebellions and more) that is notably remembered for laying the foundations for a Neoplatonic Hellenism which will become the state cult and intellectual worldview of Rome [1] and that of numerous post-roman polities even after the Empire's fall by A.D. 500. Yes, the Empire doesn't somehow last forever thanks to the success of one emperor's military campaign. The divine Fortuna decreed that Rome shall rise, and She decreed that Rome would fall.
Though Rome would fall, however, this world would not see the permanent end of Rome. Rather, ATL Rome proceeds more like OTL China - that of a Civilization that forms a Universal Empire, prospers, then stagnates, declines and falls, then later reforming into another Universal Empire. See the once mighty Han Dynasty of China, which after a Golden Age, declined and then fell into a centuries-long period of division before the Chinese reunify their Universal Empire under the Sui and Tang. This state of affairs marks much of this world's history. Not just Rome and China, but also Iran, Bharat and other High Cultures [2] will form a Universal Empire which develops then declines and falls and then later reunifies. Such is the cyclical nature of life and history.
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Welcome to a Multipolar World.
It is the early 21st C. The world is divided into numerous civilizations that each develop and interact with each other. These would be the different poles of this multipolar order. By the early 21st C, there are about 20 different poles, in varying degrees of size and development. From tiny Papua to large China and everything in between. In fact, this is quite a diverse world. The people in each of these poles are proud of their cultures, histories and traditions. This is thanks to the lack of a global imperialism that would have framed, for a time at least, the entire world's worldview around the culture of a single pole. This world, by contrast, has native forms of governance and indigenous traditions and values survive and prosper. Global technological changes like industrialism no doubt impacts each of these cultures, but the people of this world adapt to these changes based on their own cultures and values. These cultures are not stagnant, but are vibrant and develop on their own terms. Anything not moving is dead as they say, and the world's cultures are very much alive.
This world sees the thriving of numerous native polities in the New World. The Norse started the contacts between Old and New Worlds and the entire world has never been the same since. These contacts first started in the Viking Age (as in OTL) but contrary to OTL, these contacts never stopped and Norse settlements in Vinland never ended. It is important to understand that these settlements were initially really small and would remain so for quite some time. These settlements, of course, served as excellent points of contact between the peoples of the New World to encounter those of the Old. Disease spread, which was deadly, no doubt, but over time, the native populations rebounded as the diseases were here to stay. Also, the Norse methods of ironworking spread to the natives. The warlike Mexica and Tarascans used these metal tools to great effect in their struggles against each other. Finally, Norse shipbuilding was enthusiastically adopted by the Taíno who formed a loose kingdom-confederacy in the Caribbean whose founder was a warrior-priest-king who worships a syncretic Sun God based on the Norse Sol and the Mayan Kukulcan.
A rising power in this world is the Grand Khaganate, also known as Russia. It's a Nestorian [3] Christian East Slavic-Turko-Mongol polity that blends the best of each of these influences. Naturally, the Russians were an expansionist realm who strove to unite the known world under the Great Blue Sky. Attempts by various dynasties to do so have not met great success, though, but the initial nomadic impulses of the Turko-Mongols were in time replaced with that of the more sedentary agricultural society of the East Slavs. As centuries pass, and after a slow start to industrialism which resulted in socialist [4] reform movements, the Grand Khaganate re-structured as dynasties collapsed and were replaced. Eventually, the Khaganate began to assert its dominance as master of the Heartland of the World Island. It is largely thanks to Russian efforts that much of Eurasia formed an Inter-Civilizational Forum called BRICS. BRICS, which consists of Bharat, Russia, Iran, China and Siam was founded to promote development, stability and safe passage of trade across Eastern Eurasia.
There is also an established power that needs mentioning. This is Bharat. The Bharatis after a prolonged period of warring states were united in a Universal Empire during the 11th C. This Bharati Empire was a large empire encompassing all of South Asia and had vassals across the Indian Ocean. Bharati influence could be seen all throughout the Silk Road and it was in Bharat where the first Industrial Revolution began. This was the closest this world had to a single pole dominating the world, but even in this case, the Bharatis were either unwilling or unable to exert their influence into the New World or in West Africa or Europe. Perhaps it was due to how the Bharatis envisioned their empire - that of a mandala which has a central core under central control, but this mandala radiates outward in ever-decreasing layers of influence. In this worldview, those distant regions were simply left alone. In any case, however, even the Bharati empire collapsed (c. A.D. 1500). Many vassalized regions would later be centres of independent Civilizations as the centuries pass. Of course, Bharat would later be re-created under a new dynasty (c. A.D. 1800).
Much of the world's technology compared to OTL really cannot be compared with OTL. It is highly divergent with some areas more or less untouched by industrialism but some areas could be said to be more advanced than OTL. Examples include public transportation networks [5] and agricultural methods. This would generally be in the developed empires of the world.
As a response to the new challenges brought by industrialisms, some of the larger polities began to engage in greater dialogue with each other which led to the creation of Inter-Civilizational Forums (ICFs) to better promote cooperation and development and to decrease inter-civilizational violence. BRICS is one, as is the Nipponese-led initiative called the Eastern Compact with the developed New World powers of Mexico, Tawantinsuyu and the Taíno.
There is an ICF where each of the world's poles are represented. It is called the "Universal Assembly" but is known by its Greek name because it's based in Alexandria [6]. The Universal Assembly was founded quite recently as the world got more integrated thanks to technological developments spreading all over the world. It is a more informal forum where different poles can discuss the world's most important issues and come up with ways to address them. What some may call "intercivilizational law" was decided upon here, though it is more a diplomatic code than a worldwide constitution.
It's not a perfect world though. War still exists among intra-civilizational polities [7] as these fight for hegemony where large Universal Empires have not yet formed. But it's a world, nonetheless, complete with both challenges and triumphs.
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[1] Christianity will not die out in the Roman Empire. Rather, it would play a role similarly to Buddhism in OTL China. Neoplatonic Hellenism in turn functioning more or less as an analogue to Chinese folk religion and Confucianism.
[2] Used in the Spenglerian sense of Kultur. On a related note, the term "Universal Empire" could also be replaced with "civilization-state" and the meaning would be the same.
[3] Not technically "Nestorian" as Nestorius would never have been born. Assyrian rite Christianity would be more accurate, though it is more or less the same theologically to OTL Eastern Orthodoxy.
[4] Socialism in this world should not be confused with OTL Communism. It is more a traditional peasant-based reform movement than anything. These movements could be quite radical, though.
[5] Personal cars are more or less nonexistent due to either massive government regulation or because industrialism hasn't really spread to some areas. In more developed regions, most people get around in public transportation, use bicycles or walk. In less developed regions, animal transport is common.
[6] Alexander would be proud, knowing that the entire world gathers in the great city named after him.
[7] Meaning polities within a Civilization. For example, within Nusantara, various Malay and Sumatran kingdoms regularly fight wars with each other.
You've done an incredible job! How long did it take you to complete these maps?
I have many questions, but the first one that comes to mind is what font you used for the different texts on the key.
This was supposed to be a part of my next Timeline, one based in the Far Future and loosely inspired by the Emberverse and ,,Make America Again" but I eventualy got burnt out and felt like it was, to be honest, kinda shit and like something I'd write when I was 10. However, I didn't want for this map to go to waste so I decided to dump it here.
This is the next part of my 'longest-lasting version of each country' series.
- The 2nd Republic of Estonia (33 yrs*) is the longest lasting permutation of Estonia in history.
- 1st Kingdom of Swaziland (~149 yrs) is the longest lasting permutation of Eswatini in history.
- Kingdom of Aksum (1110 yrs)
- Republic of Fiji (37 yrs). I am not counting colonial Fiji. Please additionally note that apparently** Fiji was preceded by 7 independent native nations, I have been unable to find out their names or how long they lasted.
- Republic of Finland (105 yrs)
**Well..., according to Wikipedia.
Timurid invasion of China
801 (1399), Timur sent a punitive expedition to Moghulistan under Mirza Umar Sheikh. He succeeded in subduing the Khan Shams I Jahan. A marriage alliance between daughters of the Moghul Khan and Pir Muhammad and Iskendar(sons of Mirza Umar Sheikh) was established and the Moghulistan Khanate was absorbed into the ever growing Timurid empire.
Now Timur sought to influence the throne of Northern Yuan. The current Khan, Orug Temur was unpopular with the lesser khans. Aided by the Oirat leader Mahamu and Mongol noble Arughtai and with the direct military assistance from Mirza Umar Sheikh, Kublaid Bunyashiri Khan was able to capture Karakorrum in Muharram 805( August 1402). The absconding Yuan Khan fled to eastern Mongolia. But his flight would awake another giant, the Ming empire.
Yongle emperor Zhu Di sent ultimatums to Bunyashiri to subdue to Ming rule. The reply to the ultimatum was sent not by the Yuan Khan but by his backer Umar Sheikh, claiming that 'armies from Mesoptemia to Transoxiana would lay waste to China' if he futher issued such hostile letters. As Yongle was dealing with a pretender in Jingnan, he was unable to do anything but replied with a harsh response. Umar Sheikh sent emissaries with this response from Ming Emperor to his father Timur who was traveling to Almaliq with Shahrukh Mirza after the latter's victory over Turks in Northern Iraq.
Dhul Qadh 805 (May 1403), Timur reached Almaliq and wintered there. He soon sent emissaries to Ming empire demanded that they leave the Yuan or face his wrath. The Yongle emperor decided to use trick and idle away time as he exchanged emissaries with Timur. He even proposed Timur to carve up the Yuan dominion between them as a ruse. But Timur Gurigan, burning with the fervor of 'jihad against polytheists' and envisioning himself as the 'restorer of Genghis khan's kingdom' refused. The Ming knew war was brewing and they started mobilising after Jingnan rebellion was over. The Yongle emperor was confident of his troops but he knew he had to hurry or Timur would gain an upper hand. The Chinese forces were hastily mobilised and sent northwards in 2 armies. In Muharram 806 (July 1403), Timur marched towards Ming China with a massive force of 1,30,000 army and allied Mongols. His intervention in China would change the geopolitics in the region for centuries to come......
Image : Timurid Empire circa 1405, after his death.
So this is my attempt at a Timurid invasion of China in my TL where he goes east instead of butting heads with Mamlukes and Ottomans. He manages to defeat the Chinese including the retinue led by Yongle Emperor himself( he's a bit unlucky here since by 1402 the Jingnan rebellion still persisted and this delayed Ming response to the new threat, allowing Timur to choose his battles.). Timur manages to occupy upto Lanzhou but an Oirat revolt renders any further advance into China moot.
Sorry if it seems a bit sketchy since I edited with Microsoft paint and photo editor.
801 (1399), Timur sent a punitive expedition to Moghulistan under Mirza Umar Sheikh. He succeeded in subduing the Khan Shams I Jahan. A marriage alliance between daughters of the Moghul Khan and Pir Muhammad and Iskendar(sons of Mirza Umar Sheikh) was established and the Moghulistan Khanate was absorbed into the ever growing Timurid empire.
Now Timur sought to influence the throne of Northern Yuan. The current Khan, Orug Temur was unpopular with the lesser khans. Aided by the Oirat leader Mahamu and Mongol noble Arughtai and with the direct military assistance from Mirza Umar Sheikh, Kublaid Bunyashiri Khan was able to capture Karakorrum in Muharram 805( August 1402). The absconding Yuan Khan fled to eastern Mongolia. But his flight would awake another giant, the Ming empire.
Yongle emperor Zhu Di sent ultimatums to Bunyashiri to subdue to Ming rule. The reply to the ultimatum was sent not by the Yuan Khan but by his backer Umar Sheikh, claiming that 'armies from Mesoptemia to Transoxiana would lay waste to China' if he futher issued such hostile letters. As Yongle was dealing with a pretender in Jingnan, he was unable to do anything but replied with a harsh response. Umar Sheikh sent emissaries with this response from Ming Emperor to his father Timur who was traveling to Almaliq with Shahrukh Mirza after the latter's victory over Turks in Northern Iraq.
Dhul Qadh 805 (May 1403), Timur reached Almaliq and wintered there. He soon sent emissaries to Ming empire demanded that they leave the Yuan or face his wrath. The Yongle emperor decided to use trick and idle away time as he exchanged emissaries with Timur. He even proposed Timur to carve up the Yuan dominion between them as a ruse. But Timur Gurigan, burning with the fervor of 'jihad against polytheists' and envisioning himself as the 'restorer of Genghis khan's kingdom' refused. The Ming knew war was brewing and they started mobilising after Jingnan rebellion was over. The Yongle emperor was confident of his troops but he knew he had to hurry or Timur would gain an upper hand. The Chinese forces were hastily mobilised and sent northwards in 2 armies. In Muharram 806 (July 1403), Timur marched towards Ming China with a massive force of 1,30,000 army and allied Mongols. His intervention in China would change the geopolitics in the region for centuries to come......
Image : Timurid Empire circa 1405, after his death.
So this is my attempt at a Timurid invasion of China in my TL where he goes east instead of butting heads with Mamlukes and Ottomans. He manages to defeat the Chinese including the retinue led by Yongle Emperor himself( he's a bit unlucky here since by 1402 the Jingnan rebellion still persisted and this delayed Ming response to the new threat, allowing Timur to choose his battles.). Timur manages to occupy upto Lanzhou but an Oirat revolt renders any further advance into China moot.
Sorry if it seems a bit sketchy since I edited with Microsoft paint and photo editor.
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Canada, Reorganised
So once again this is based on @erictom333's subdivision reorganisation thread.
Credit to the following Reddit users for the flags:
u/countryman26 for Abitibi
u/Mihaji for Athabasca
u/IreneDeneb for Denendeh
u/navarretedf for Fraser
u/Propane_Soyuz for Huron
u/socializte for Keewatin
u/alasdairgunn for Manitoba
u/Paddy-Thibau for Ontario
u/The_Irish_Jet for Saskatchewan
u/DubzSocrates for Superior
u/tetrabillius2 for Vancouver
u/BroadEmu6962 for Yukon
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Why would Yukon still be YT if it's not a territory anymore? Wouldn't it be YK or something similar?Canada, Reorganised
So once again this is based on @erictom333's subdivision reorganisation thread.
Credit to the following Reddit users for the flags:
u/countryman26 for Abitibi
u/Mihaji for Athabasca
u/IreneDeneb for Denendeh
u/navarretedf for Fraser
u/Propane_Soyuz for Huron
u/socializte for Keewatin
u/alasdairgunn for Manitoba
u/Paddy-Thibau for Ontario
u/The_Irish_Jet for Saskatchewan
u/DubzSocrates for Superior
u/tetrabillius2 for Vancouver
u/BroadEmu6962 for Yukon
Here's another, slightly more refined version of the British Argentina TL map. This time, Araucania and Misiones Orientales go to Chile and Brazil respectively.
A Greater Vermont, and it's even colored green... This could be interesting.
Earth in 2024 AD in a timeline where the Whites win the Russian Civil War.
Select Countries
Russia: The White movement wins the RCW and establishes a semi-theocratic military dictatorship of Wrangel and Patriarch Tikhon under a surviving Alexei II (son of Nicholas II) as a puppet Emperor. As Alexei grew up, he came to appreciate the policies of Wrangel and Tikhon, and became less of a ppuppet as he would also forge genuine friendships with them. Alexei's support was crucial preventing the attempted 1937 coup against the government and for its continuation after the deaths of Wrangel and Tikhon. Russia today has somewhat liberalised under the reigns of Alexei's son and grandson, although it remains an illiberal democracy with much informal power held by the Emperor, the Church, and the military.
Germany: Germany avoided the Nazis ITTL but still fell to a right-wing aristocratic dictatorship under Wilhelm III in the 30s. Germany and Russia would proceed to team up and carve up Eastern Europe between themsleves, Italy, Bulgaria, and Hungary. France could do nothing to stop them as they were involved in a civil war between left-wing republicans and right-wing monachists (the latter would eventually win out there), and the British unfortunately felt Eastern Europe to be an acceptable price for peace. Germany today is like Russia, an illiberal democracy with the monarchs, aristocracy, and the Church having tons of informal power.
Japan: The Japanese felt that that the Europeans were sufficiently distracted by events on the Continent to defend their Asian possession, and attempted to effect a quick takeover of the East Asian colonies. Unfortunately for them, the Japanese military government greatly underestimated the Europeans and greatly overestimated themselves, and promptly lost, though given that they had not gone as deep into China ITTL and the Europeans did have a lot going on at home, they were able to keep a status quo ante bellum peace in probably the greatest diplomatic masterstroke of the century. The failure of the Eastern Crisis and the later revolts in Korea and Manchuria lead to the Emperor dismissing the military government. Modern Japan is an executive monarchy, where the parliament is powerful, but the monarch is definitely not a figurehead or ceremonial position.
Italy: Still fell to fascism under Mussolini and helped to carve up Eastern Europe. Mussolini fell out of favour once Umberto II came to the throne though, and after the former's assassination, Umberto II took advantage of the infighting of the Fascists to appoint Alcide de Gasperi as Prime Minister. Italy today is an executive monarchy like Japan and a dominant-party democracy with the Christian Democrats taking the majority of parliamentary seats since the 50s.
The British and Dutch colonies are dominions, the French ones are either integrated or very French influenced independent countries, and the Italians have managed to hold on to theirs. Libya has a very large Italian minority and a large Catholic plurality due to missionary efforts and immigration from parts of the Middle East. Italian East Africa is a fairly stable country in real union with Rome (think the relationship between Cisleithania and Transleithania with Italy being the former). It is under majority rule and has a notable Italian minority and a sizable Catholic plurality in Eritrea and parts of Ehtiopia.
Karl der Große
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What happened that allowed Greece to defeat Turkey? How does a Turkey missing half its population keep a grip on Kurdistan?