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Can someone please explain to me the difference between Bevanites and Gaitskellism in terms of British politics?

Bevanism - Democratic socialists occupying the left-wing of the Labour Party through the 1950s to 1970s when they began to become replaced by the more radical, grassroots New Left. Advocated a cradle-to-grave welfare system, housing for all, full employment, and state control of the "commanding heights" of the economy (Not wholesale nationalisation though). Like the Gaitskellites, generally not supportive of the trade unions from the perception that their voting bloc enabled them to veto and carry more weight within the Labour Party primarily for their benefit rather than others i.e. the trade unions voting for policies that they would benefit from at the expense of the public.

Gaitskellism - Social democrats generally occupying the right-wing of the Labour Party, though often in conflict with the trade unionists occupying the same wing (In terms of left-right spectrum). Social liberals advocating personal liberty, social welfare & equality though disagreed with the socialist concept of public ownership of means of production as being necessary. See above for view on trade unions - often similar mindset as Bevanites.

Think of it as Tony Blair and Michael Foot. Bevan was very hard left, while Gaitskell was more moderate.

I think that's correct, if simplified.

Although Blair might be referred to as a Gaitskellite in contemporary politics, I think it's a bit misleading. Even then, Blair and Foot are from two different political generations with the former having to adapt the Labour party following the radical transformation of the British political landscape following Thatcher. Foot was Bevan's heir, though Roy Jenkins is the better example for Gaitskellism within the same time frame. Bevanism, sadly, didn't really survive beyond the early 1980s as a force within the Labour Party. Nor, will I add, was Bevan "very hard left" - he wasn't from the likes of the Independent Labour Party.
 
Killing Home Rule With Kindness

1880-1885: William Ewart Gladstone (Liberal)
1880: Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury (Conservative), William Shaw (Home Rule)
1885: Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury (Conservative)
1885-1888: Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury (Conservative)
1885: William Ewart Gladstone (Liberal), Charles Stewart Parnell (Irish Parliamentary)
1888-1895: William Ewart Gladstone (Liberal)
1888: Randolph Churchill (Unionist), Robert Gascoyne-Cecil (Salisburyite Tory), Charles Stewart Parnell (Irish Parliamentary)
1892: Randolph Churchill (Unionist), Arthur Balfour (Salisburyite Tory), Justin McCarthy (Irish National Federation), John Redmond (Parnellite Nationalist)

1895-1898: Archibald Primrose, 5th Earl of Rosebery (Liberal)
1895: Edward James Saunderson (Unionist), George Wyndham (Salisburyite Tory), John Dillon (Irish National Federation), John Redmond (Parnellite Nationalist), Tim Healy (People's Rights - Healyite All for Ireland)
1898-1902: Edward James Saunderson (Unionist)
1898: Archibald Primrose, 5th Earl of Rosebery (Liberal), George Wyndham (Salisburyite Tory), John Dillon (Irish National Federation), John Redmond (Parnellite Nationalist), Tim Healy (People's Rights - Healyite All for Ireland)
1902-1903: William Vernon Harcourt (Liberal)
1902: Edward James Saunderson (Unionist), George Wyndham (Salisburyite Tory), Arthur Griffith (Sinn Fein), John Redmond (Parnellite Nationalist), John Dillon (Irish National Federation), Tim Healy (People's Rights - Healyite All for Ireland)
1903-1906: Joseph Chamberlain (Liberal-Salisburyite)
1906: Edward James Saunderson (Unionist), Arthur Griffith (Sinn Fein), John Redmond (Irish Parliamentaryt), Henry Hyndham (Social Democratic Federation)
1906: George Wyndham (Liberal-Salisburyite)
1906-1910: Edward Grey (Liberal-Salisburyite)
1910-????: Arthur Conan Doyle (Unionist)

1910: Edward Grey (Liberal-Salisburyite), Arthur Griffith (Sinn Fein), Henry Hyndman (Social Democratic Federation), John Redmond (Irish Parliamentary), Tim Healy (Irish Independent Alliance)

The basic idea is that Parnell's short term alliance with the Tories in 1885 remains in place, this see a similar result to OTL at that year's general election, leading to a rather shaky Tory Government being formed, despite the Liberals falling only around 20 seats short of a majority at the general election. The government engages in various reforms on the Ireland issue, eventually culminating in the introduction of a Home Rule Bill to parliament. Over the three years prior to the introduction of the bill, Parnell had gradually worn down Salisbury's opposition, to finally convince him to introduce a watered down bill to (in the words of Arthur Balfour: ) "kill home rule with kindness." This leads to a mass backbench revolt on the Tory benches, leading to the bill only passing with IPP and pro-HR Liberal support. The Lords unsurprisingly block it, but by a 'smaller' margin than predicted. The vote leads to the anti-Home Rule faction, the majority of the Parliamentary Conservative Party, to bolt and form the Unionist Party, led by Randolph Churchill, who despite being an 'establishment figure' was seen to have warm relations with (Ulster) Unionists. The general election forced after the vote sees Gladstone elected with a near landslide majority; the Unionists despite getting less votes than the Salisburyites, get more seats. Gladstone remains in office, not tainted by his OTL push for Home Rule in 1892, and resigns due to similar disagreements over the Navy that forced him out OTL, in 1895. He is replaced by the Earl of Rosebury, who sees the Liberals' majority plummet at the 1895 general election, showing that the Unionists can be a real threat, under their new leader Colonel Edward James Saunderson. It is only a matter of time before the Unionists manage to defeat Rosebury's government, after TTL's Boer War gets bogged down in guerrilla fighting, employed by the Boers. Saunderson is generally successful in terms of foreign policy, 'winning' the war in South Africa. His increasingly militant rhetoric and alliance with the Germans sees his government lose support. Meanwhile in Ireland the O'Shea scandal breaks later than OTL, in 1893, Parnell goes much the same way as OTL; but the rift between the factions remains far and wide, past 1900. This is not aided by Healy forming his own party and stripping further votes from the Anti-Parnellites. This split, plus the militant loyalism of Saunderson sees Griffin form Sinn Fein earlier than OTL, leading to it having modest success in a series of by-elections. This sees the 1902 general election become a mess, with Unionists picking off many Nationalist seats, due to a 4 split in the Nationalist vote; Sinn Fein meanwhile becomes the largest Nationalist party, via Griffith's hardline religiously conservative, yet not revolutionary rhetoric. This bounce in Ireland offsets many losses in the rest of the UK for the Unionists, but they are forced out by a Liberal-Salisburyite electoral pact, which sees the aloof and intellectual William Vernon Harcourt becoming Prime Minister in 1902. His health soon catches up with him, leading to the anti-Home Rule and pro-protectionist 'Empire Joe' Chamberlain becoming Liberal Leader and Prime Minister in 1903. This sees tariffs being imposed on non-Imperial imports, and further links with Germany being formed. Meanwhile in Ireland the various IPP factions managed to come to some agreement, with the Parnellite Redmond elected leader; alas the party brand is still in decline. The 1906 general election sees a slight swing to the Unionists, while SF consolidate their 'dominance' over Nationalism in Ireland. The small socialist party - the 'Social Democratic Federation' led by Henry Hyndman wins several seats, setting it up as the main left-wing party in British politics. Not long after the election, Chamberlain suffers a stroke while dressing for a dinner party; paving the way for Sir Edward Grey, his Foreign Secretary to become Prime Minister (after George Wyndham served as Interim PM from his position as Leader of the House of Commons.) Grey's government begins to loosen ties with Germany, leaving Britain virtually alone in the continent of Europe; this coupled with an armed revolt by the Boers once again, sees Grey's government defeated by the new Unionist leader , the author and former Unionist Chief Whip, Arthur Conan Doyle.
 
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The Wilkes Revolution: Part 2

First Secretaries of the United Commonwealths of Britain (1776-2016)
Governments of the Second Republic (1821-1858)

1821-1832: Spencer Perceval (All-Whig Government: Common Whig/Republican Whig) [17] [18] [19]
1822: Thomas Babington Macaulay (Republican), Henry Fane ('Hardliner' Republican), Richard Birnie ('Social Agitator'), William Wesley-Pole (Irish), (German: in exile)
1824: Thomas Babington Macaulay (Republican), Richard Birnie ('Social Agitator'), Henry Fane ('Hardliner' Republican), William Wesley-Pole (Irish), (German: in exile)
1829: Charles Wentworth Dilke I (Republican), Robert Owen ('Social Agitator'), William Wesley-Pole (Irish), Harriet Arbuthnot ('Hardliner' Republican), (German: in exile)
1832-1834: Benjamin Durban (All-Whig Government: Common Whig/Republican Whig) [20]
1834-1838: Joseph Paxton (Republican/Republican Whig) [21]
1834: Benjamin Durban (Common Whig), Robert Owen ('Social Agitator'), John O'Donovan (Irish)
1838-1841: John Austin (Republican) [22]
1838: Robert Baldwin (Common Whig), William Allen ('Social Agitator'), Steven Vere (Irish)
1841-1842: John Stuart Mill (Republican) [23]
1842-1854: John Stuart Mill (Republican) [24] [25] [26]
1842: Thomas Baring (Common Whig), Charles Wentworth Dilke II ('Social Agitator'), Steven Vere (Irish)
1846: Laurence Peel (Common Whig), Charles Wentworth Dilke II ('Social Agitator'), Steven Vere (Irish)
1851: Henry Chetwynd (Common Whig), Charles Wentworth Dilke II ('Social Agitator'), Steven Vere (Irish)
1854-1856: Henry Chetwynd (Common Whig)* [27]
1856-1857: Samuel Whitbread (Republican)* [28]
1856: Henry Chetwynd/Laurence Peel (Common Whig), Francis Verney ('Social Agitator'), William Corcoran (Irish), Jean-Thomas Taschereau (Canadien)
1857-1858: Laurence Peel (Common Whig/'Cooperative Republican') [29]
1858-1860: Laurence Peel (Republican/Common Whig/'Cooperative Republican') [30]
1860-1862: Henry Charles Grey (Non-partisan - All-Party Government: Republican/Common Whig/Irish/Canadien/Other unaffiliated Independents) [31]
1860: [No election: All-Party Government opposed by 'Social Agitator' and unaffiliated hostile factions]

[17] The collapse of the Republican government had a profound effect upon the political system. As Buxton fell from office to be replaced as Republican leader by Thomas Babington Macaulay (son of the former short-term First Secretary Zachary Macaulay), Spencer Perceval and his Common Whigs formed an electoral alliance to form an 'All-Whig Government'. The war continued, although with the loss of Hanover the stalemate essentially continued with naval skirmishes. The intent of the All-Whig Government was to reform confidence in the republic following the continental defeat, and to reconstruct British military and economic power. As such, Britain almost immediately took a much more isolationist turn and at the Treaty of Ghent in 1822 Perceval acknowledged peace with the European powers, bring the Third Republican War to an end. As the Republican Party continued to fracture, Perceval called an election to cement his own premiership and the All-Whig Government was returned with a comfortable majority. This was largely down to the emergence of new Republican factions; whilst Macaulay led the rump party (in a way eerily similar to the Pitt leadership of the New Whigs after the revolution), the former military commander Henry Fane formed the retrospectively-entitled 'Hardliners' campaigning for the resumption of the war and the recapture of Hanover. Richard Birnie also led a new faction, for those angling to abandon expansionist Abolitionism and focus upon the forgotten working poor (who they regarded as having been abandoned by the revolution).
[18] With the transfer of the European financial hub to Amsterdam in the wake of the Third Republican War, it was clear that Britain had suffered a major set-back on the international stage. Forced to violently address secessionist riots in Quebec and concerned with by the continuing economic decline, Perceval called another election in 1824. The All-Whigs lost a sizeable number of seats and were left with a small working majority; foreign policy once again took priority as the United States fell into the First Civil War. New England declared itself independent from the government in Philadelphia as the southern states rebelling against new economic measures. The Commonwealths were pressured to reinforce their traditional ally, but instead - remembering the Great Betrayal - Perceval acknowledged the independence of New England and continued to trade with the southern rebellion. For the first time since their independence, the British Commonwealths and the United States were on the edge of war. Similarly, in Europe, the outbreak of the Austro-Ottoman War placed the largest autocratic powers back against each other. Maintaining a wary neutrality, Perceval continued to balance the books whilst encouraging employment during the naval upgrading programme and the expansion of the land forces.
[19] The defeat of Austria at the Siege of Belgrade in 1828 shook the European establishment to the core; few had expected Leopold VIII to suffer such a humiliating loss against what was viewed as an antiquated peripheral power, and the Emperor came under much pressure to abdicate. (The defeat was the first link of a chain of events that would led to the Great European Revolution twenty years later). Civil war in America came slightly later, and Perceval personally presided over the treaties that ended the war. The United States was essentially neutered as a major international player. With this in mind, Perceval called another election for 1829 and became the second sitting First Secretary to win a third consecutive government (although far behind the total six victories of Grey). 1829 was the last election in which the German exiles continued to have a role in Parliament, as the Electoral Reform Act in 1831 - a major constituency review in itself - eliminated the ability for MPs to stand 'in absentia' from their seats. The election was also notable for the fact that the 'Hardliners' were led by a woman, Harriet Arbuthnot, although in reality she was merely a prominent figurehead.
[20] Perceval, weary after a stressful decade in office, handed over the reigns of the All-Whig Government to an ally, Benjamin Durban, but the latter struggled to maintain the loyalty of his coalition partners. Pamphleteering against the government intensified, and under pressure before the 1834 election Durban announced his intention to seperate the factions of the Government and campaign as a seperate Common Whig. A poor political miscalculation, the election resulted in the first hung parliament in the history of the Commonwealths.
[21] After the 45 years of Republican government during the First Republic, few had expected the 13 years of Whig control under Perceval and Durban. However, the arrival of the moderate Paxton to the premiership cemented the Republican factions back into a single party once more. The European monarchies faced serious uprisings, and Paxton brought Britain out of neutrality once again to fund and endorse those fighting against the Bourbons and Habsburgs. Paxton allied himself with the Republican Whigs, who would endorse the government wholly following the beginning of the Second French Revolution in 1837. As the geopolitical situation on the continent continued to worsen, Paxton announced his intent to not contest the next election as First Secretary and endorsed his Secretary for Legal Affairs, John Austin, as his uncontested successor.
[22] Austin led the Republicans to a narrow majority in 1838, as the Western constituencies returned to the fold of the Whigs with the fear of war hanging over the country. Austria and Prussia went back into conflict in 1840, pressuring the already beleaguered French state to the point of collapse. As Louis XX desperately tried to resist the growing calls for his abdication, Austin came under pressure himself as the Abolitionists angled for war against their traditional enemy. A leader who would only feel comfortable in peacetime, the London Declaration in 1841 would push the First Secretary to resign as his Foreign Secretariat - independently from his advice - announced that the Commonwealths would sponsor any rebellion against the 'autocratic orders of Europe'.
[23] The main instigators of the London Declaration were the radicals in the government, who did not want Britain to miss an opportunity to hammer her advantage over the compromised European powers. Ironically, much of their confidence lay down to the financial prudence of the Perceval years; Britain now possessed a modern and efficient fighting force and used her significant industrial economy to mass-produce aid for the French rebels. The result was the beginning of the Fourth Republican War - the largest European conflict since the loss of Hanover - as France desperately sought to contain her internal chaos.
[24] Emboldened by the French actions, the Abolitionists took the country to a vote; this would continue a trend set in 1819 when Buxton called his wartime election, and the Wartime Election Act (passed in 1820) would make an election upon the beginning of a war a legal requirement for the sitting government. The collapse of the French monarchy during the pamphleteering season in early-1842 cemented support for the war as British and volunteer troops from all over moved into France to fight the Habsburgs. Unlike during the Third Republican War, Prussia endorsed the coalition in the west against Austria. The Central German campaigns through 1843 and 1844 were a slow grudge-match between the ideologies, but with Prussian courting the Russian czar into the war in 1845 the tide began to turn against Austria and her isolated allies.
[25] The 1846 election was largely an afterthought, and few seats changed hands as party loyalties thickened due to the wartime state of the country. The Fourth War entered the final stage as revolutionaries erupted in Vienna in 1848, overthrowing the imperial court and defenestrating the Holy Roman Emperor. Expecting the conflict to come to an end, Mill made triumphant speeches in the Commons celebrating the mutual spirit of the new European republican movement and lauding the success of the now-ongoing European Revolution. All down the spine of Italy the long-established principalities and city states ushered in new republican governments, and only the King of Sicily - hugging the bottom of the peninsula desperately - survived (with major constitutional concessions). However as the United States of Europe were declared in Wien and Paris (and acclaimed in London), the monarchs of Prussia and Russia - horrified at the consequences of their opportunism and terrified of the prospect of nationalism in their own countries - renegaded on the alliance and formed a new bloc in Eastern Europe fanatically opposed to the new USE. In the Commonwealths, the Republicans (and particularly the Abolitionists) were overjoyed at the creation of the new republican state on the continent regardless of the crisis it placed with diplomacy with the remaining European monarchies.
[26] Euphoria with the European Revolution in 1848 led to the Republicans strengthening their majority in 1851 as Mill pointed to the seemingly-unstoppable rise of democracy all over the world. His third electoral victor was his largest, but many in the Republicans seemed uncertain as to the role of Britain in relation to the European Union. Most called for Britain to remain a seperate republican entity, but to use her naval strength to re-establish herself as the world power for the first time since the Revolution. Others, a minority, called for Mill to endorse the EU and bring Britain in as a senior founding member using the solidarity gained during the Fourth War. Fundamentally, Mill was a hardliner Abolitionist and proud of his role in securing European democracy. With this in mind, he moved to bring the Commonwealths into alignment as a member of the USE; whilst the USE was essentially a supranational idea, nationalism of some sort made a complete union of the constituent states impractical. This was certainly the case in Britain, as in an unexpected twist the Commons voted down the Mill Proposal. Disappointed, Mill resigned from the First Secretary position and in a further insult to the 'brainchild of Europe' enough dissident Republicans neglected to vote on his replacement, allowing the government to fall to a minority Common Whig administration. It was the first time that the Common Whigs (the descendant of the 'Charybdis' and New Whigs) had governed as a single entity since the Revolution.
[27] The enthusiasm of the Whigs for office was short-lived, as the Prussia-Russia alliance struck out at the USE in the winter of 1856. As the Wartime Election Act demanded, Chetwynd called an election.
[28] Public opinion flipped back in favour of the Republicans, although for the first time their history they were only rewarded with a minority government. This was partly due to the rise of the Canadien Party, who had evolved from the separatist rebel groups of Quebec in the same way that the Irish cause had found favour in Parliament. Verney assisted his allies in Europe with great vigour, hoping to defeat the advancing armies and trigger revolutions as they had done in the Fourth Republican War - especially in the highly-disgruntled Polish minority areas of both the aggressor states. In reality, the Fifth War had a very different nature of the previous conflict; Prussia had a smaller but highly efficient army, whilst the Russians relied upon numbers and their vast territory to compensate for their largely-unmodernized force. The entry of Sicily - technically the Kingdom of Italy - to the war in the south complicated matters for the USE and soon the republicans were fighting along most of their eastern and northeastern borders. It was a difficult war, and after the struggles of the Bohemian Front the Whitbread government came under fire. When the First Secretary received word that a sizeable percentage of the non-Abolitionist faction were prepared to reinforce a Common Whig government, he resigned from the position and invited Laurence Peel (who had returned as Whig leader after a few years on the backbenchers) into his role as an act of faith.
[29] Peel initially took over a government divided on how the war should continue, and with a marginal majority with assistance from the 'Cooperative Republicans'. However, the defeat of Italy in the south freed up a sizeable percentage of British naval capability, and soon the Baltic became a British lake.
[30] With the tide turning in the favour of the USE and the Commonwealths, Peel received the backing of the rest of the Republicans - essentially forming an all-party government. The defeat of Frederick VI triggered the Prussian surrender and the end of the Fifth Republican War. The terms on Prussia were harsh - the Holy Roman Empire, existing in nothing but name, was formally abolished and the creation of a new Polish republic humiliated both the defeated powers. A few rebellious Russian armies fought on in the east, regardless of the peace, but soon it was clear that the last major monarchical powers (whilst retaining their autocracy) had been resoundingly hammered. Indeed, the Treaty of Warsaw established the new status quo for Europe; in Britain, the formation of the Peel government and the conclusion of the war set in motion the end of the Second Republic. With bipartisan feeling at a high and all parties accepting the public desire to integrate Britain into the USE, the Commons unanimously nominated Henry Charles Grey - son of the former First Secretary - to preside over a new Constitutional Convention with the goal to re-establishing the state of the Commonwealths in the new order.
[31] The last two years of the Second Republic were some of the most momentous in European history; having brought themselves into the USE, the Commonwealths were expected to adhere to jointly-agreed-upon Proclamations from the European Parliament in Vienna but retained major elements of autonomy. To counter this across the sizeable territorial possessions of Britain, smaller decentralized Parliaments were introduced to strengthen the role of regional (and in some cases national) democracy. To great acclaim in Dublin, an Irish Parliament accompanied new institutions in the Canadas, Quebec and the Caribbean. The only groups to resist the New Constitution Acts upon their declaration were the Social Agitators - who remained hostile to the idea of wide-ranging reform across Europe as many British still dwelt in poverty - and other smaller unaffiliated groups who opposed the perceived loss of sovereignty for the British people. Nevertheless, by the end of 1862 the new order was established and the Commonwealths entered into a new era of European integration and co-operation.
 
The future list of presidents of @Emperor Julian's excellent timeline The Ruins of an American System. Of course it´s just my guessing.

1945 - 1949: Robert A. Taft / Leverett Saltonstall (Republican)
1944: Robert M. LaFollete Jr. / Joshua Lee (Progressive) , Huey Long / J. Lister Hill (Commonwealth) , Upton Sinclair / Bolivar Pagan Lucca (Socialist) , Styles Bridges / Kenneth Wherry (American)

1949 - 1957: Claude Pepper / Henry A. Wallace (Progressive)
1948: Robert A. Taft / Leverett Saltonstall (Republican) , Burnet Maybank / Hattie Carraway (Commonwealth) , John E. Miller / Harry F. Byrd (American) , Norman Thomas / Vito Marcantonio (Socialist)
1952: Earl Warren / Thomas Dewey (Republican) , J. Lister Hill / Luther H. Hodges (Commonwealth) , Jeannette Rankin / Frank Zeidler (Socialist)

1957 - 1959: Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. / John F. Kennedy (Republican)
1956: Estes Kefauver / Albert Gore Sr. (Commonwealth) , Henry A. Wallace / Eugene McCarthy (Progressive) , Robert Byrd / Everett Dirksen (American)

1959-1961: John F. Kennedy / vacant (Republican)


1961-1969: John F. Kennedy / Thurston Ballard Morton (Republican)
1960: Lyndon B. Johnson / Henry M. Jackson (Commonwealth) Wayne Morse / Pat Brown (Progressive) , Harry F. Byrd / Orval Faubus (American) , Spiro Agnew / Gilberto Concepción Garcia (Socialist)
1964: Barry Goldwater / James E. Rhodes (Conservative) , Eugene McCarthy / Ken Hechler (Progressive) , George Wallace / George Smathers (Commonwealth)

1969-1972: Hubert Humphrey / Edmund Muskie (Progressive)
1968: William Scranton / Gerald R. Ford (Republican) , Henry M. Jackson / Jimmy Carter (Commonwealth) , Martin Luther King / Benjamin Spock (Socialist) , John M. Ashbrook / Harry F. Byrd Jr. (Conservative)

1972-1973: Edmund Muskie / vacant (Progressive)

1973-1977: John McKeithen / Lloyd Bentsen (Commonwealth)
1972: Pete McCloskey / Ed Koch (Republican) , Edmund Muskie / Terry Sanford (Progressive) , William F. Buckley Jr. / Evan Mecham (Conservative)

1977- : Ronald Reagan / Jesse Helms (American)
1976: George Mitchell / Birch Bayh (Progressive) , John McKeithen / Lloyd Bentsen (Commonwealth) , Charles Mathias / Richard Schweiker (Republican) , Barry Commoner / Jerry Brown (Socialist)
 
1945 - 1949: Robert A. Taft / Leverett Saltonstall (Republican)

LEVERETT SALTONSTALL

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SALTONSTALL

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Ironically, William H. Harrison (as he called himself) lived until 1990.

And @Ares96, Hugh L. White was the 1952 Dixiecrat literally like three posts above this.

Funny this is, William Henry Harrison actually had an IRL descendant with that same name.....who died in 1990(or is this the dude you were referring to?).

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1984-1988 walter mondale (democrt)
1988-1992 donald rumifeld (republican)
1992-1996 ted kennedy (democrt)
1996-2000 jeb bush (republican)
2000-2004 jesse ventera (independent)
2004-2008 ron paul (libertarian)
2008-2012 barrack obama (democrat)
2012-2016 ralf nader (green)
2016-2020 donald trump (republican)
2020-now tulsi gabard (green)

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Grimond's Dream Comes True.

“Our long-term objective is clear: to replace the Labour Party as the progressive wing of politics in this country.” Jo Grimond

Edward Heath (Conservative): 1970 – 1976
1970: Harold Wilson (Labour) Emlyn Hooson (Liberal)
1974 (Minority): Harold Wilson (Labour) Emlyn Hooson (Liberal)


James Callaghan (Labour): 1976 – 1978

1976: Edward Heath (Conservative) Emlyn Hooson (Liberal)

Keith Joseph (Conservative): 1978 – 1986

1978: James Callaghan (Labour) David Steel (Liberal)
1982: Dennis Healey (Labour) David Steel (Liberal)


Peter Shore (Labour): 1986 – 1991

1986: Keith Joseph (Conservative) Alan Beith (Liberal)

Alan Haselhurst (Conservative): 1991 – 1999

1991: Peter Shore (Labour) Alan Beith (Liberal)
1995: Malcolm Bruce (Liberal) Michael Meacher (Labour)


Malcolm Bruce (Liberal
-Labour Coalition): 1999 – 2002

1999: Alan Haselhurst (Conservative) Frank Dobson (Labour)

Michael Howard (Conservative): 2002 – 2010

2002: Malcolm Bruce (Liberal) Frank Dobson (Labour)
2005: Simon Hughes (Liberal) Jack Straw (Labour)


Vince Cable (Liberal): 2010 – 2016

2010: Michael Howard (Conservative) Jack Straw (Labour)
2015: George Osborne (Conservative) Ed Balls (Labour)


Norman Lamb (Liberal): Present.


The main POD here is that Emlyn Hooson wins the 1967 Liberal leadership election instead of Jeremy Thorpe. Taking over a party that still only has nine MPs, Hooson decides to focus on building up the party’s local and national representation in its strongest areas rather than playing a national game. This strategy begins to pay off and by 1974 the Liberals hold enough West Country and Scottish seats to hold the balance of power. They choose to go into a supply and confidence deal with the Tories in exchange for a Speakers conference on PR,

After two years with no Speaker’s conference and the Monetarists clamouring for cuts to local government, the Liberals pull their support leading to an election and a tiny majority for Labour under Jim Callaghan. However the unions continue to agitate for more danegeld and after two years Callaghan goes to the country hoping to increase his majority. Instead he crashes big time and is replaced by Keith Joseph.

Joseph is popular at first thanks to his tough actions with regards to the unions. His efforts to deregulate the economy and return industry into private hands also prove popular. On the other hand his anti-Europe stance alienates some in his own party, who begin looking longingly towards the Liberals, who begin to squeeze the Tory vote in Lab/Con marginals. Come 1982 Joseph is returned to office albeit with a smaller majority. He hardens his stance over the EU, refusing to attend several EU meetings, which causes some of his more moderate colleagues to jump ship the Steel’s Liberals, in some cases taking their associations with them. With the economy dipping slightly and people concerned by the government’s plans to privatise not only hospitals but possibly schools, come 1986, Joseph is ousted by Peter Shore.

Shore the last Labour Prime Minister, tried to mix Labour economics with Joseph’s nationalism and Euroscepticism. However most historians would now agree that this triggered the beginning of the end of the Labour party as a serious governing force. In mid-1988, Roy Jenkins – who had been offered an EU post but had turned it down – announced that he would be leaving the Labour party for the Liberals. The effect was electric, with half a dozen Jenkinsite MPs jumping ship with him, with a whole host of councillors and local associations following suit. The effect was to hole Shore below the water line. While his majority had been healthy enough that he could carry on, he was fatally weakened and both the Tories and now resurgent Liberals picked this up, with PMQs turning into a weekly blood bath. While the uncertainty and then collapse of the Soviet Union shored up Labour’s numbers for a brief period the 1991 election went exactly as expected.

The election of a moderate Conservative as leader in 1987 had stemmed the bleed to the Liberals, though that had been replaced by the Labour leak. Haselhurst focused on restoring Britain’s international standing which had been damaged by the nigh on isolationist policies of Joseph and Shore. Labour meanwhile focused on flagellating themselves in the public square. The election by the left of Michael Meacher as Labour leader had led to further arguments and chaos and come the 95 election, while Haselhurst retained his majority the real story was the Liberals under Malcolm Bruce leapfrogging Labour into second place, with Labour left with a handful of seats in Scotland, London and the industrial north.

Haselhurst eventually fell afoul of the Conservatives old weakness, Europe and by 1999; the government was riven with disagreement and division especially over the infamous Cologne Treaty. However the public still didn’t trust the Liberals with a majority and Bruce was forced to go into coalition with Dobson’s Labour. While the Liberals were able to push through some of their pet projects including regional devolution, any attempts at PR were blocked and after three years Labour pulled out of the government over the Liberal’s refusal to reverse rail nationalisation and both parties went down to a united Tory party under Michael Howard.

Howard was a moderate Eurosceptic who united his party around the themes of Law and Order and economic security, with Europe very much moved to the back burner. Howard focused on investing in emerging technologies and making the UK a welcome place for the up and coming silicone industry. He also made a serious effort to bring about an end to the ongoing Bosnian conflict which the UK had entered into under Bruce. All of this was enough to see him through an early re-election in 2005 - called to capitalise on the governments popularity - and all the polls had him coasting to victory in 2010 as well. That is until the Bosnian People’s Front let off a bomb in Birmingham’s Bullring. While the incumbency armour protected them for a while, gradually the Tories lead evaporated and Vince Cable found himself leading the first Liberal majority government since Asquith.

Cable focused on extending devolution to the counties and on constructing a more Ordoliberal economic policy, taking advantage of the infrastructure put in place by Howard as well as making a concentrated push for electoral reform. He also attempted to take the UK further into the EU, which in certain quarters led to a rise in support for the National Independence Party, a Eurosceptic party led by former Tory MP Neil Hamilton. However as the NIP leached votes primarily from the Conservatives this allowed the Liberals to win re-election last year. Cable retired a few months ago, - the first PM to leave office of his own volition since Macmillan – and was replaced by his long time protégée Norman Lamb.
 
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@KingCrawa this is a really interesting path to irrelevance for Labour: No Tony Benn, no Michael Foot, no Corbyn. Very good read, and I enjoyed the text. I'd be interested to know what parties there are. You asked in The Thread where people would end up. I'm pretty sure I'd be a Green or equivalent. Sorry.
 
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