The Ju288 was an entirely different design. It's bomb bay could take up to two 2500kg bombs. Normal payload was 3000kg internally.I think the biggest limitation on the 88 line is that, due to its internal bomb bay, it's limited to 20 50kg bombs on the internal bomb bay, and the remaining 2000kg are on 4 external hardpoints, IIRC.
when the "power system" scenario did not work for JU-288 wonder if a trimotor arrangement might have served? (using the Jumo 211s)
FWIW, I'd also go with a 'Ju 288 minus' - the airframe of Ju 288 + BMW 801. Granted, it will never be as zippy as what was expected with Jumo 222 engines, but Luftwaffe would've have had a better bomber than the mid-war Ju 88s or He 111s.
you think fitting a center engine too complicated for the results? circa the same time they had the JU-252 operating with great range (and payload, albeit not a bomber)
just quick glance the JU-288 had extended wingspan, not sure if it would be enough?
(basically meant as stopgap "until" Jumo 222 engines "work")
The Ju288A:FWIW, I'd also go with a 'Ju 288 minus' - the airframe of Ju 288 + BMW 801. Granted, it will never be as zippy as what was expected with Jumo 222 engines, but Luftwaffe would've have had a better bomber than the mid-war Ju 88s or He 111s.
- Ju 288A – first seven prototypes with BMW engines
The Ju288A:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_288#Variants
The results were highly underwhelming. It was more underpowered than the Do217.
So...why not just go with the Do217?The 5000 kg bombload spec goes through the window (too optimistic for 3000-3500 HP total), 2000 kg normal or 3000 kg in overload is probably the highest value for the '288 minus'. I'd also go for just one defensive position, tail preferably. Some/plenty of weight might be shaved if fuselage looses one or two sections, CoG-permitting. 5360L of internal fuel is also over-the-top, so again some fuel tankage will be deleted - 3000L should be enough?
All in all, a bomber much better than He 111 or Ju 88, and no worse than Do 217.
So...why not just go with the Do217?
How much wider of fuselage are we talking than the Ju288? Same with the cockpit?Too big cockpit + too wide fuselage = more drag = less speed & range.
How much wider of fuselage are we talking than the Ju288? Same with the cockpit?
I actually like the 3-engined bomber that incorporates plenty of Ju 288 parts. However, I'd propose the central engine to be a pusher, like it was the rear engine on the Do 335. Obviously, that means the defensive guns need to be relocated (probably in the now extended nacelles of wing engines?), tricycle U/C, tail that also serves as a bumper to shiled the prop from hitting ground. Use the off-the-shelf Jumo 211s.
Depends on the engines used. Even if 3x DB603s probably not compared to the Jumo 222 or even DB610, but certainly much better than with 2x BMW801s. The only issue is that you'll need to reengineer the fuselage to handle the torque of the engine, especially the bigger engine, while in a pusher arrangement like Tomo suggested (which makes sense) it would require even more reengineering as they'd lose the rear defensive guns in the tail and need to really rework the tail, rear fuselage, and air intake, not to mention the landing gear as I doubt a tricycle would work with the heavy weight in the front. If they can make it work that would be great, but it would be tough. Putting the engine in the front would obscure the critical front view for the bombardier. The Ju252/352 could do it because they weren't bombers.probably Dornier would be more likely company to undertake such a project? had suggested a trimotor scheme for JU-288 fuselage to make the least internal changes, and overall reduce the weight of aircraft vs. the twinned engine arrangement.
also looking at the probably boost in range.
probably Dornier would be more likely company to undertake such a project? had suggested a trimotor scheme for JU-288 fuselage to make the least internal changes, and overall reduce the weight of aircraft vs. the twinned engine arrangement.
also looking at the probably boost in range.
Depends on the engines used. Even if 3x DB603s probably not compared to the Jumo 222 or even DB610, but certainly much better than with 2x BMW801s. The only issue is that you'll need to reengineer the fuselage to handle the torque of the engine, especially the bigger engine, while in a pusher arrangement like Tomo suggested (which makes sense) it would require even more reengineering as they'd lose the rear defensive guns in the tail and need to really rework the tail, rear fuselage, and air intake, not to mention the landing gear as I doubt a tricycle would work with the heavy weight in the front. If they can make it work that would be great, but it would be tough. Putting the engine in the front would obscure the critical front view for the bombardier. The Ju252/352 could do it because they weren't bombers.
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For one thing the Nazi administrators really did screw the Luftwaffe over IOTL when it came to getting the next generation of aircraft in 1941-42, but no one is arguing that they'd be able to make some truly next level aircraft beyond the wildest dreams of any other world power, just that they could have done a lot better in the technology department, which would have had an impact on the course of the war at least. In no way is anyone arguing that the rest of the world was stupid, instead we're just saying what if the Nazis were marginally less stupid when it came to managing technology. Hitler was part of the problem, as he appointed a lot of really stupid people based on personal friendship or at least long term slavish loyalty, which led to those people also doing the same in their areas of influence, like Goering with Udet in the RLM/Luftwaffe.Why do some people here and elsewhere (have you seen the YouTube videos on “theoretical 1946 German aircraft?) seam to think that with a flip of a minor change that Germany could have build “super planes”. Faster longer range, carries more load etc. zIt seams that except for the stupidity of the government Germany could have built much better aircraft, by far, then the rest of the world managed. So apparently the rest of the world was just stupid?
I just don’t get these things. “If Germany had only built X”. “It was faster, more maneuverable, more powerful “ ect. If only someone had killed Hittler in 1940 they would have had the technology to take over the world!
I have read other books on German weapons programs during WWII, and am always surprised by both the variety and novelty of these designs. As I am a scientist who has participated in military-funded research programs, I am somewhat familiar with the organizations which support such research. Compared to American, British, and Russian military research of the WWII era, Germany military research seems whimsical and inspired--often to the extreme--rather than obsessed with "discipline" and order. Actually, the principle criticism that I would level at German WWII research organization is a lack of discipline and order! In some cases, this lack of order can be traced to Hitler, who interfered and inserted his opinions in the organization of German research in a way that American or British political and military leaders would never consider sensible or proper!