Europe After The Peace Talks

[chris N]

The CVX that the Australians are going to buy is smaller than the US Navy's super carriers thus it would not coast as much . In addition the builder would be using some Australian made equipment reducing the cost further.
It should also be noted that the ip would be built with a capacity to operate newer US made aircraft.

 

[abc123]

The CVX that the Australians are going to buy is smaller than the US Navy's super carriers thus it would not coast as much . In addition the builder would be using some Australian made equipment reducing the cost further.
It should also be noted that the ip would be built with a capacity to operate newer US made aircraft.

I wonder does that is economical to make 2 designs for carriers, one small, other large supercarrier?
And a price of that isn't that small too...

I don't know, but if I'm australian PM, I would allways buy a CVA-01 from Britain, I'm sure that Brits would also build in some australian components, and with 3 british and 1 canadian CVA-01 there will allways be a carrier for replacement when australian/canadian ship goes to refit.
Also, British and Australian interests are more compliementary.

 

[chris N]

Actually Australia has been moving closer to the US. The US has been selling the Australians more and more of the military equipment that they need . Thus almost all of the aircraft that are in use of the current Australian carriers are main in the US. The Australian are going to buy 2 of the new Charles F Adams US designed Destroyer Guided Missile ships. One of which will be built in Australia with help from the US manufactures.

As for the ship building industry building two different designs see no problem as they would be built by two entirely different companies.

 

[chris N]

Governor Regan after talking with the four people being considered as running mates and talking with his advisers chose Sen Howard Baker Jr R-Tenn as his running mate. The young Republican Senator had experience as a former member of the House of Representatives in addition to 2 years as a US Senator.

 

[chris N]

Senator Baker was well liked in the US Senate and he befan to campaign for the Ticket in the South. Senator Baker had a very constructive meeting with Governor Reagan.

 

[chris N]

Germany was now modernizing its army . The new Leopard tank promised to give the Germans a much better tank. Now they were going to add a new Armored Personnel carrier that was a Massive improvement.

 

[abc123]

Actually Australia has been moving closer to the US. The US has been selling the Australians more and more of the military equipment that they need . Thus almost all of the aircraft that are in use of the current Australian carriers are main in the US. The Australian are going to buy 2 of the new Charles F Adams US designed Destroyer Guided Missile ships. One of which will be built in Australia with help from the US manufactures.

Well, IMO connecting of Australia and USA has no much sence to me.
Because, Australia and USA, there's too much disparity between the two to be good partners. Australia can ony be american 51-st state/protectorate, not a ally.
On the other hand, Britain and Australia have all the conditions to become PARTNERS. OK, a senior partner and a junior partner, but partners, make no mistake.
So, position of a partner or a US sidekick?

And if you want to say that USA will defend Astralia from Japan or China, well USA will do that with buying US ships/airplanes or without that, because of its own self interest, not because they like Australia. And about protection from smaller countries like Indonesia, well Australian can defend it self alone, or a UK help will be more than enough for dealing with such threats.

 

[chris N]

Let me point out the fact that Great Britain has often treated the Australians as if they were the poor stupid child that couldn't make decisions for itself and needed guidance from its Parent>
The Australians have looked at the British government and have wonder as to whether there is any consideration given to the Security needs of Australia and New Zealand.

Now the Australians are an ally of the US and I would presume also consider themselves an ally of Great Britain but there is a lot of wonder as to what the heck was in the minds of the last British Prime Minister. The Labor Party seems to have made decision without any regard as to what effect it would have on other members of the Commonwealth.

As Far as I Know its been decades in OTL since Austalia has purchase any weapons designed by the British. Austalia has bought weapons from the US and Germany. Currenly it is completing the last member of a Swedish designed convential submarine, which was built in Australia.

 

[chris N]

Germany had also started to produce newer armored vehicles for its army . these were part of a great effort to modernize the Imperial German Army. A new Tank destroyer was being produced and a new armored Car.

 

[chris N]

The very powerful new tank destroyer was to give the Germans a very new armored vehicle capable of having an impact.

 

[chris N]

The Swedish government had produced a new tank that was turtetless
There was a lot of doubts that it would be capable.

 

[abc123]

Let me point out the fact that Great Britain has often treated the Australians as if they were the poor stupid child that couldn't make decisions for itself and needed guidance from its Parent>
The Australians have looked at the British government and have wonder as to whether there is any consideration given to the Security needs of Australia and New Zealand.

Now the Australians are an ally of the US and I would presume also consider themselves an ally of Great Britain but there is a lot of wonder as to what the heck was in the minds of the last British Prime Minister. The Labor Party seems to have made decision without any regard as to what effect it would have on other members of the Commonwealth.

As Far as I Know its been decades in OTL since Austalia has purchase any weapons designed by the British. Austalia has bought weapons from the US and Germany. Currenly it is completing the last member of a Swedish designed convential submarine, which was built in Australia.

Well, of course that it will be need to form a partnership between UK and Australia, and not a child-parent relationship like until then.
But, I wanted to say that Australia can hope for partner status with Britain, but it can never be a partner to the USA.

 

[chris N]

Everyone has their opinion of how an alliance syatem might work. Unfortunately even the best system might be damaged by the person leading one of the countries Much depends upon the way the President feels or even the Prime Minister. America's relations in OTL has varied from a good relationship between the US and Great Britain and its allies during the Reagan administration to poor during the current one. That is not to say that it is only republican Administrations that relationships were good as things were strained during theEisenhower administration as a result of Suez and Algeria(France) During the Kennedy administration the failure to de technology that had been promised to the Conservate government brought that dovernment down. Britain was critical of the US during the Vietnam War but Australia stood by the US in Korea, Vietnam and the current situtation.

Between Great Britasin and Australia there seems to be a love hate relationship that dates back to the founding of Australia as a colony.The same relationship does not exist between the US and Great Britian.
There has been a stronger relationship between Canadia and Great Britain but that did not stop the British Government from treating the Canadian Army as something that could be used anyway Britain though. Canada bought British deigned Convention submarines that were ex-Royal Navy and they have been nothing but a headache for the Canadian Navy.

I thought that the suggestion of having Canada buy a CVA-01 class carrier had merit but I think that on of the CVX designs might better suit the needs of the Australian navy> Cost is a key factor as well as the manpower factor.

 

[chris N]

The second debate bought up the subject of national defense and Foreign Policy. President Kennedy was in an awkward situation as he had talen a lot of foreign policy decisions that were risky to say the least. The President said that the intervention by the US had helped to bring the war between Russia and Turkey to an end sooner. Where upon Governor Reagan responded that if the US had sent clearer signals to the Russians and Greeks there might not have been a war. The administration was taken unaware of what was going to happen there and the same case could be made for both Burma and China.
Indeed while the Chinese Prime Minister was a friend of the US actions were taking place to draw that country closer to Russia and thus bringing it close o the ity of an Asian war.

 

[abc123]

Everyone has their opinion of how an alliance syatem might work. Unfortunately even the best system might be damaged by the person leading one of the countries Much depends upon the way the President feels or even the Prime Minister. America's relations in OTL has varied from a good relationship between the US and Great Britain and its allies during the Reagan administration to poor during the current one. That is not to say that it is only republican Administrations that relationships were good as things were strained during theEisenhower administration as a result of Suez and Algeria(France) During the Kennedy administration the failure to de technology that had been promised to the Conservate government brought that dovernment down. Britain was critical of the US during the Vietnam War but Australia stood by the US in Korea, Vietnam and the current situtation.

Between Great Britasin and Australia there seems to be a love hate relationship that dates back to the founding of Australia as a colony.The same relationship does not exist between the US and Great Britian.
There has been a stronger relationship between Canadia and Great Britain but that did not stop the British Government from treating the Canadian Army as something that could be used anyway Britain though. Canada bought British deigned Convention submarines that were ex-Royal Navy and they have been nothing but a headache for the Canadian Navy.

I thought that the suggestion of having Canada buy a CVA-01 class carrier had merit but I think that on of the CVX designs might better suit the needs of the Australian navy> Cost is a key factor as well as the manpower factor.

Well actually, for Australia optimal solution would be something like Cavour class with Harriers or F-35 B. About 2-3 pieces, and about 5-6 pieces of some LPD.

 

[chris N]

The debate that was started that night continued as the question now arose as to what exactly was the commitment of the United States to its friends and allies in Europe , Africa and Asia. The US had a base that it shared with Italy in Lybia. It also had porting facilities in Italy. It had a relationship with the Kingdom of Israel. The current President had put US forces in between the Greeks and Turks in an attempt to prevent a wider war.
What was the US position in Burma? What was the US position regarding Taiwan. The US had helped to Create the Republic of Korea but was there a security commitment to defend it against attack. The US had now sold weapons to Japan as a result of Russian aggression but had that changesd our relationship with that country.

These were the topics that were being discussed on the evening news and in newspapers and magazines.

 

[chris N]

Austria had also been modernizing its mil The Skoda T-40 had proven to be difficult in getting built. It semed incrasingly likely that if the bugs could not be totally worked out that the country would have to turn to a foreign design. Austrian APCs seen below also might need to be replaced.

 

[chris N]

Austria and the Ukraine were now working on solving the problems of a new tank that would allow them to face the threats of the future coming frpm Russia. Thus Skoda worked on improving the so called super tank the T-84 seen below. The Skoda people had managed to wok out some of the problems thet this Ukrainian modification of the T-40 tank.

 

[chris N]

Election Day 1968 The political campaign had been hard fought and now it was up to the American voters to cast the vote that would make the choice of who would lead the country after January 20th 1969. Governor Reagan voted and then went back to the business of running the state of California. Senator Baker had just voted in Tennessee and was now paying attention to the results. President Kennedy had also returned home to Massachusetts to cast his vote and to be with the family for the election.

The election results started to come in Governor Reagan took New Hampshire and Kentucky, while the President took West Virginia. Next Indiana came in for the Governor, As the night wore on the President carried his home state and Rhode Island. Rhode Island and Vermont were also taken by the President,Maine split between the Two and the President etched out a bare win in Connecticut.. The Presidnt then lost Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina Tennessee , South Carolina and Florida. He took Delaware and Maryland but lost Missouri and Mississippi. The Race was close in New York and a resount would be needed. Daly helped to deliever Illonios to the President but the Governor took Wisconsin, North and South Dakota, Colorado, Nebraska, Oklahoma and Florida. The President scored a victory in Minnosota but lost in Idaho and Nevada. Senato Goldwater helped to deliever Arizona and Nevada also fell to the governor.
Wyoming was the next state to fall into the Republican column followed by Montana. Alabama joined the GOP followed by Georgia. Louisana fell to the President along with Arkansas. Goveror Reagan then took Kansas and Pennsylvania. New Jersey was taken by the President but then cme word the the Governor had won in Michigan and was now ahead in New Yok.
By the wee hours it was clear that Ronald Reagan had won. He had picked up the Maranasas Islands and Alaska and had beaten the President in Hawaii by 2,000 voted. Iowa also fell to the Governor along with Washington. The President won Oregon but only by 500 votes. Texas had
been swing back and forth all night lng ang there was going to be a recount but as things stood the Governor had won with 1800 more votes than the prseident.
President Kennedy called Governor Reagan at noon eastern time to congradualate him and invite him to the White house for a conference.
The Next President of the United States:

 

[chris N]

The governor traveled to the Capital to begin working on a setting up a transitional group that would help to select the cabinet and make sure that after 8 years of Democrat control the shift in power went smoothly. The President met with his staff and his new vice President. Senator Baker would remain in the Senate to help shepherd through the cabinet. Caspar W. was the choice as Secretary of Defense , but there was a debate over the post of Secretary of state. The Governor was considering William Rogers but many were recommending Richard Nixon for the post. he was experienced at the role. Here the President elect meets with the congression Leadership from the House of Representives Democrat and Republican along with Senator Baker.