DBWI: Could the capitalists have won the Cold War?

ANARCHY_4_ALL

Capitalism succeeding that's funny. What good could come from that world? World control by greedy corporations, de facto military dictatorships, wars for resources to feed the machine, democracy only in words, etc. I could go on and on. We are very lucky we aren't in a world where capitalism succeeded. Otherwise I would probably be sitting on my ass with no education. Probably addicted to drugs with no job. No way out cause I don't live in some rich family. Oh what capitalism does to the human spirit, crushes it. :D
 

USJ

Well, I found a map of that world in a later page of Daily Worker.

Surprisingly it doesn't seem like a bad world to live in.
The PRC is the most powerful Communist Nation, although the article did state it's under pressure to reform.

The USA is the most powerful country in that world for now.
Second is the PRC and the Third is Russia. Surprising.

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Elfwine

It could be worse, but its still a dystopia.

At least western Europe is said to be reasonably enlightened - well, for a capitalist state. The US seems bound and determined to bring its own doom though. With or without a worker's revolution, it is unsustainable even by capitalist standards.
 

ColeMercury

USJ said:
Well, I found a map of that world in a later page of Daily Worker.
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What happened to Yugoslavia? :eek: It's been all carved up by ethnic nationalists!

And it's odd -- you'd think if all the SSRs were independent in this world (except Karelia, apparently) that Moldavia would reunify with Romania.
 

Wendell

LorienTheYounger said:
What happened to Yugoslavia? :eek: It's been all carved up by ethnic nationalists!

And it's odd -- you'd think if all the SSRs were independent in this world (except Karelia, apparently) that Moldavia would reunify with Romania.
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There's also that odd bit of Moldavia colored the Russian color:confused:
 

Penelope

Banned
OOC: This thread looked interesting at first, but then a map got posted, and we'll spend three pages with replies like: "OMGWTFPOLAND!11 ".
 
Gray Antarctica

Gray Antarctica

Hello from Moscow! Well, I think Stalin would have been bad. He could have killed tens of thousands. He seems like the paranoid kind to launch massive purges to me. Things would be alot worse today, and the Siberian water would be even less drinkable(Seriously, take bottled water if you go to Siberia!).

Gorbachev has done alot of good for the USSR. He's given us some decent freedoms, and has allowed some small businesses to open. Without our glorious leader Gorbachev, I wouldn't been posting here. I've got CPSU business, so I can't be online much longer. Being high ranking in the party and being a political officer is not what's it's made out to be. Unlike normal citizens, I can't say what I want unless I get clearance first. I had to have this whole post cleared to make sure it wasn't offensive. We're allowed to gripe about having a hard job, usually.

Long live the USSR!
 

ANARCHY_4_ALL

Gray Antarctica said:
Hello from Moscow! Well, I think Stalin would have been bad. He could have killed tens of thousands. He seems like the paranoid kind to launch massive purges to me. Things would be alot worse today, and the Siberian water would be even less drinkable(Seriously, take bottled water if you go to Siberia!).

Gorbachev has done alot of good for the USSR. He's given us some decent freedoms, and has allowed some small businesses to open. Without our glorious leader Gorbachev, I wouldn't been posting here. I've got CPSU business, so I can't be online much longer. Being high ranking in the party and being a political officer is not what's it's made out to be. Unlike normal citizens, I can't say what I want unless I get clearance first. I had to have this whole post cleared to make sure it wasn't offensive. We're allowed to gripe about having a hard job, usually.

Long live the USSR!
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Glad the USAR decided to decentralize more. The work in the 70's by the new liberals. Really opened up our civil liberties here. Can't wait to vote for Zach De La Rocha in the coming elections. Glad to be young here.

OOC: I assume that didn't contradict anything if communism was to prevail I assume there would be a revolution in America. A socialist one of course. Probably being more democratic and less centrist.
 
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NHBL

NHBL

Almost anything can happen

Remember, the Historical Dialectic predicts the victory of socialism--but says nothing about howl long it will take. Setbacks happen, and tere is nothing wrong with looking at other ways thngs could go--they'll eventually lead to the inevitable triumph of socalism. It does not say where it will take root for good, however. A Capitalist wolrd as the synthesis, would eventually create its own antithesis, and a new synthesis would result. This, of course, presupposes that humanity does not purge the globe of humanity--something Marx had no reason to think was possible.

My conclusion: A capitalist victory could happen--but would eventually evolve away from capitaism. Even in the proposed What If, the synthesis of the United States seems to be developing its own antithesis, and that will, one way or another, create a new synthesis. I hope the authors continue...
 
LNSS

LNSS

Exactly, but could there exist an alternate world in which socialism was set back so much that the capitalist civilization will destroy itself before achieving socialism? This seems to be one of those worlds.
 
Xgentis

Xgentis

Rationing

Socialism a paradise when most of Europe live under rationing?
We will strike to reestablish freedom and democraty.

Freedom movement.
 
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