Base Maps from 550 BC to Modern Day, all in UCS!

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Alright, so on the 1885 map I've finished North America and South America (still need to do the Lesser Antilles though), Europe, East Asia, Oceania and the Pacific and have done some minor alterations to North Africa.

I'm currently working on Southern Africa and Central Asia.


Oh, and since I'm not sure, how much of the Raj was controlled by Britain at this point?
 
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Something else I've noticed, on the 1914 map German New Guinea is shown as a Protectorate when it was'nt.

GNG itself was a colony, while the German Pacific Islands (excluding Samoa) formed a single Protectorate.
 

Stateless

Iori said:
Oh, and since I'm not sure, how much of the Raj was controlled by Britain at this point?
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Before 1893 the border of Afghanistan looked like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Afghanmap1893.JPG

Sorry I can't find a better map right now. Also, look up the Durand Line and try and understand what's going on there - the Durand line is definitely not today's border, and Afghanistan does not accept the Durand Line Agreement, and apparently has claimed territory beyond the Durand Line, but I can't find how much territory, or where, or when the border changed, or whether Afghanistan still has the claim... Gah.

EDIT: The full map can be viewed here.
 
iori

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stateless_englishman said:
Before 1893 the border of Afghanistan looked like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Afghanmap1893.JPG
EDIT: The full map can be viewed here.
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Hm, ok, so roughly up to Pakistan.


Sorry I can't find a better map right now. Also, look up the Durand Line and try and understand what's going on there - the Durand line is definitely not today's border, and Afghanistan does not accept the Durand Line Agreement, and apparently has claimed territory beyond the Durand Line, but I can't find how much territory, or where, or when the border changed, or whether Afghanistan still has the claim... Gah.
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Erm, actually the Durand Line is the current border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

As to territory claimed, well it depends on who you ask, on the National Level Afghanistan simply does not recognize the border as legitimate, however AFAIK they don't actually make any formal claims.

In general most groups I'm aware of just claim Pashtun majority areas, while atleast one group claims the Pashtun and Balochi areas, which, if they somehow got it, would give Afghanistan a sizable coastline.
 

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Hey does anyone have the most up to date version of the base map in 2010/2011?

I think there should be a thread for the most up to date versions of the maps we have, that are corrected whenever everyone thinks there should be a change. As I keep trying to find the most up to date base maps but never find them!!:(:(
 
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Pikers3 said:
Hey does anyone have the most up to date version of the base map in 2010/2011?

I think there should be a thread for the most up to date versions of the maps we have, that are corrected whenever everyone thinks there should be a change. As I keep trying to find the most up to date base maps but never find them!!:(:(
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Well the modern one has more or less stabilized, anyways, here ya go.

Oh, also, the maps for 2010 and 2011 are actually different, as the 2011 one has S. Sudan as independent while 2010 does'nt.


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The below actually has a few changes from the last one as I realized their were some border errors.

-Fixed Papua New Guinea's land border.
-Gave the Southernmost island of FSM to Micronesia; it had somehow ended being shown as part of PNG.
-Fixed the borders of the Southern Dutch Caribbena islands to show their status as seperate units, rather than as a single thing.

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Iori said:
Well the modern one has more or less stabilized, anyways, here ya go.

Oh, also, the maps for 2010 and 2011 are actually different, as the 2011 one has S. Sudan as independent while 2010 does'nt.
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I must admit Iori, I still don't understand you're colouring rationale. Why colour in the Netherlands, but not Denmark when Denmark has a better claim to needing a colour in the form of Greenland?
 

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Iori said:
Erm, actually the Durand Line is the current border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
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If you look at the wikipedia map:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Durand_Line_Border_Between_Afghanistan_And_Pakistan.jpg

There's a black line, which is the Durand Line, and a red line which is the modern border. The most obvious change is the western end of the Pakistan/Afghanistan border, which has seemingly shifted south quite substantially. From further reading I believe the border was shifted as a result of the Treaty of Rawalpindi, either in 1919 or 1921.
 
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stateless_englishman said:
If you look at the wikipedia map:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...e_Border_Between_Afghanistan_And_Pakistan.jpg

There's a black line, which is the Durand Line, and a red line which is the modern border. The most obvious change is the western end of the Pakistan/Afghanistan border, which has seemingly shifted south quite substantially. From further reading I believe the border was shifted as a result of the Treaty of Rawalpindi, either in 1919 or 1921.
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Note however that what at first glance appears to be Afghani claims on Pakistan is infact the claimed area for an independent 'Pashtunstan', and given that it excludes both Kabul and Islamabad is clearly meant to be independent of both.
 

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Alex Richards said:
Note however that what at first glance appears to be Afghani claims on Pakistan is infact the claimed area for an independent 'Pashtunstan', and given that it excludes both Kabul and Islamabad is clearly meant to be independent of both.
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Just looking at the borders, not the shaded blue area.
 
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stateless_englishman said:
Just looking at the borders, not the shaded blue area.
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Ah, I thought that was the area you referred to earlier as 'Afghan claims'.

Also, Iori could you correct a couple of inconsistencies/missing bits in your map? Namely:

1. Republika Srpska should have the same grey border as Iraqi Kurdistan (both autonomous areas)
2. Puntland's southern border should be a de facto one.
3. The inter Korea boundary should also be de facto.
4. Gibraltar needs colouring in British pink.
5. Nicaraguan claims on San Andres and Procincia aren't marked.

I'd also argue that the claim line for Somaliland need only be across the area inside Puntland, as it being a de facto border it's obvious that Somalia claims the rest of it.
 

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Peru-Ecuador-Colombia-Brazil claims timeline go!

Well, this took far longer than it should have, for the simple reason that Latin American clams are ludicrously poorly sourced and virtually every single period map is drawn by a rabid nationalist. The major landmarks (with thanks to Thande and DValdron):

1890 - Herrera-Garcia: Ecuador claims a wide strip including the Napo and Putamayo rivers, with the northern bank of the Maranon as its extreme claim.
(Note: it's possible that before the 1904 clashes Ecuador controlled more of the Napo river basin as a de facto border, but it seems to have been more or less soldiers wandering through the jungle)

1916 - Muñoz-Suarez: Ecuador gives up a chunk of its Amazonian claims in favour of a stable northern border. Unfortunately...

1922 - Salomón–Lozano: ...Colombia and Peru promptly sign a treaty defining their border as the Putumayo river, with Peru ceding a corridor to give Colombia access to the Amazon; their present-day border. Unfortunately this not only hands over territory Colombia previously recognised as Ecuadorian to Peru, but means Peru surrounds Ecuador on three sides.

1928 - However, Salomón–Lozano isn't popular in Peru, and the treaty is repudiated by Peru when it becomes common knowledge that Leticia was ceded to Colombia. Peru resumes its old claims until...

(Also, this year Colombia and Brazil finalised their border)

1933 - ...Colombia kicks its rear-end in the Colombia-Peru War and forces it to re-affirm the treaty.

1936 - Ulloa-Viteri. A status quo agreement redefines the borders based on actual control - it's later used as the starting point for the Rio borders. Peru sees this as a binding agreement - Ecuador as just a ceasefire line that does not affect their claims.

1941 - Rio. Ecuador takes disastrous losses in the Ecuador-Peruvian War and the Rio de Janeiro Protocol defines the borders we have today. Relative to the status quo line, Ecuador cedes 18,552 km² to Peru - Peru cedes 5,072 km² to Ecuador.

However...

1948 - ...the Cordillera del Cóndor proves a sticking point and Ecuador claims Rio cannot be implemented in this region due to discrepancies between on-the-ground realities and the treaty's idealisations. Ecuador claims the Upper Cenepa river valley again.

1960 - Ecuador declares Rio null and void as it was signed under duress and resumes its former claims.

1998 - After the Cenepa War Ecuador agrees to close the border along the Cordillera del Cóndor based on the Rio de Janeiro agreement and effectively ceases to claim Peruvian territory.

Sources:
http://www.zonu.com/images/0X0/2010-01-13-11724/America-del-Sur-en-1914.jpg
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com...merica and West Indies South America 1926.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Peru_ecuador_dispute.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Ecuador-peru-land-claims-01.png
http://www.hipkiss.org/data/maps/lo...es-atlas_1920_south-america_3012_3992_600.jpg
http://www.4shared.com/photo/1rQkIhb4/P_214-215_-_South_America_-_19.html
http://ny-image1.etsy.com/il_fullxfull.116280525.jpg
http://andeanairmail.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/peru-ecuador-border-conflict.JPG

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