The Madsen system was hardly a failure, it was in production for nearly 50 years and it was not noted as unreliable in use. It was in use for nearly 100 years. I don't think it can be counted as a failed weapon.
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The Madsen system was hardly a failure, it was in production for nearly 50 years and it was not noted as unreliable in use. It was in use for nearly 100 years. I don't think it can be counted as a failed weapon.
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Surely something less medieval or home made could have been done.
Doesn`t need to pay FN rights in Europe
Its a JMB design so in Europe belongs to FN
The US navy tried it and wanted the gun because they considered it superior to colt 1911
Had it been avaiable during the tests that dictated the choice of the Browning design it would be a far harder opponent than the Savage
Its a JMB design so in Europe belongs to FN
The US navy tried it and wanted the gun because they considered it superior to colt 1911
Had it been avaiable during the tests that dictated the choice of the Browning design it would be a far harder opponent than the Savage
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Here you go:Trench raiding club - Wikipedia
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Surely something less medieval or home made could have been done.
Not much different than the original:
In fairness, it's hardly an indictment of a weapon that it has a direct predecessor in another design. Virtually every conventional bolt-action rifle is based on the either the Moisin-Nagant, Lee-Enfield or (especially!) Mauser action. Nearly every straight-pull is based on the Mannlicher action, and so on.
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Banned
The Madsen saw a lot of South American use and some low grade use in small brushfire wars in Asia. It was certainly better than the Hotchkiss Portative functionally, but like the Reising SMG, it seems to have been a better REMF or police gun than a first line portable machine rifle which accounts for the longevity. It was all certain countries could get or afford. Maybe I see that whole context and I consider it a failure.
Now the PIG. (M60 to some of us.) which is a Stange type clockwork gun traced back through the FG42 and thence to the Lewis gun, is still kicking, too.
It may make the century mark as well if this latest version holds up.
Driftless
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What about a somewhat simplified MBT-70/Kpz 70? Replace the troublesome XM-150 152mm gun/launcher with a more conventional 105mm or a 120mm AT gun. Weren't the rest of teething troubles more easily fixable?
Indeed, the Madsen was used extensively by dozens of countries, in a variety of calibres, for decades and was almost universally held to be reliable and effective, if expensive and complicated.
During WW1 the UK evaluated the Madsen (the HMS Excellent trials) and considered it superior to the Lewis and Hotchkiss.
Better, Enfield is less stingy and gives Canada the right to licence produce the SMLE back when Canada originally asked to be able to.
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That's quite a bit more powerful than the .30 carbine round, you'd need a different rifle like the WAR to use it (beefed up gas tappet system).
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I get what you're getting at, just saying you need a different rifle than the M1 carbine due to being built around a much less powerful cartridge.
Gives the rights, surely you mean sells the rights? HM Treasury would insist,