Antebellum

Worffan101

Worffan101

Mr_ Bondoc said:
Fair enough, if anything, every genre is being reexamined , from comedy to science fiction, but the thing to remember is that these are angles and stories that haven't been told before. Traditionally the stories and films have been told from the perspective of straight WASP male characters / protagonists.
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OK, then give me a story about some black guys with guns going back and shooting the Hell out of Bobby Lee with a few thousand rounds of ammo, then burning his corpse for good measure, before freeing his slaves and saving President Lincoln from John Wilkes Booth. I'd watch the Hell out of that. Throw in a battle on top of a train, some ex-slaves killing Jeff Davis, maybe Honest Abe splitting some wood.

I mean, even Legends of Tomorrow (a show about the most broad-strokes pastiches of pop history that deliberately plays up tired tropes to milk them for comedy) did this pretty well a few years ago when one of the characters (a black guy who fuses with a Jewish academic to become a superhero, it's complicated) was stuck on a southern plantation during the Civil War. The plantation owners were horrible abusive racists even before the Confederate zombies showed up, and nobody cared when one of the protagonists refused to take a risk for one of said plantation owners and watched him get eaten instead.
 
Mr_ Bondoc

Mr_ Bondoc

It's a weird and delicate balance. I certainly can point to the scenes from Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter from both the film and book. (Let's not talk about the blatant cash grab of the sequel):


But I would also point out the Asylum's Abraham Lincoln vs. Zombies:


As for books that follow the path, you are looking for, definitely check out Fire on the Mountain (1988) by Terry Bisson, which is pretty utopian:

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Bassoe

Bassoe

RayRiceBurroughs said:
That having been said. . . this seems to me to be like the genre of 'black suffering revenge porn'.
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Oppressploitation as a name for the genre?
Mr_ Bondoc said:
The film's tagline is: "if it chooses you, nothing can save you."
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So, is it random and this movie just happens to follow the modern women dumped in the Antebellum south as opposed to the nineteenth century women who got eaten by a dinosaur or the twenty-second century women sent to modernity currently trying to bomb Boston Dynamics HQ before they unleash the robo-pocalypse or is there some kind of group of altrightist hate criminals lynching their victims by stuffing them in a one-way time machine? And if the second option, this sounds like a fairly interesting detective story, the victim leaving clues in the past to be discovered by a detective in modernity, with the intention of catching their attackers before they can send them back in time?
RayRiceBurroughs said:
It seems there’s another Time travel alternate history/slavery story being released alongside Antebellum.

it’s called CRACKA.

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So is this meant to be an alternate history/universe which is basically the Antebellum south with the races flipped or the result of some kind of time traveler meddling?
 
Pugsley

Pugsley

Antebellum seems like a horror movie and I don’t watch horror, I dislike the salacious lip smacking attention on pain, humiliation and suffering and in any case horror movies seem to be predicated on people acting stupidly. I think I read the original book, I don’t remember it being much like this trailer.
Likewise Cracka, although I am intrigued by the concept but that rape scene. Not watching rape.
A Lee Enfield appeared in that trailer - a 20th century gun... I wonder if that’s significant or just historically illiterate Hollywood?
 

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Rolf Golf said:
in any case horror movies seem to be predicated on people acting stupidly.
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Well in this case at least theres the excuse of the MC being a time traveller. So the stupid decisionmaking is somewhat justified by being a fish out of water.
 
Worffan101

Worffan101

Again, no thanks. I'd rather have a movie about a bunch of Black Panthers going back in time, giving the Union AR-15s, and ventilating Robert E. Lee.
 
Worffan101

Worffan101

LordUltimus said:
Naw, man,
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I find the idea of Antebellum just depressing, pointless, and mean-spirited. Like, we know the past sucked. Anyone who bothers to so much as look at Wikipedia can easily find that out. This movie is completely pointless; it's not going to change any minds, nobody who doesn't agree that racism is bad and slavery bad will watch it, it doesn't really have an opportunity for social commentary on modern society, and basically the entire point is people being raped. How the hell is that entertaining, interesting, or worth the time and the money?
 
Pugsley

Pugsley

Worffan101 said:
I find the idea of Antebellum just depressing, pointless, and mean-spirited. Like, we know the past sucked. Anyone who bothers to so much as look at Wikipedia can easily find that out. This movie is completely pointless; it's not going to change any minds, nobody who doesn't agree that racism is bad and slavery bad will watch it, it doesn't really have an opportunity for social commentary on modern society, and basically the entire point is people being raped. How the hell is that entertaining, interesting, or worth the time and the money?
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Spot on, I do hope we are both proved wrong and it gives a new and valuable perspective. But I suspect it’s merely more fuel for the fire fed by, what seems to me, an incredibly historically ignorant generation, at least here in the UK at least.
 
Mr_ Bondoc

Mr_ Bondoc

ajm8888 said:
Probably a Get Out! rip off more than anything.

African American centered horror is not done as much.
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As seen by the recent series, including Lovecraft Country, Twilight Zone and the Watchmen, the genre can be done well, but it needs as much attention to writing as well as special effects...
 
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