Alternative History Armoured Fighting Vehicles Part 2

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Jim Smitty said:
Yep I remember that post. Was trying to figure out how to work US Armor grow with a group of about 300 or so people who may or may not have military skills needed to guide armor warfare grow. I always through MBTs are just a bridge too far with 1940ish tech even with knowhow from the future. The turreted TD/Infantry Support Tank only became buyable as larger guns could be mounted in medium tanks which are idea infantry support tanks. Even with future information to guide the US, I don't see them as something that can be built till the late 40s assuming you can get Congress to give up the money. I'm looking more at a stop gap measure to get the US to have a tank that could be better built to deal with other tanks and still have great infantry support armor units.
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Heard and understood. In which case the M4A3E8 (76mm) is your Jack-of-all-trades with the M36B2 (90mm) as the heavy hitting specialist TD. :)
 

Zaskar24

Do not forget that the U.S. mounted the turret of an M26 onto the hull of an M4, cannot remember which version, to see about getting a 90mm gun to Europe faster then the M26. In the end they realized that it would be no quicker so only made one of them.
 
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Zaskar24 said:
Do not forget that the U.S. mounted the turret of an M26 onto the hull of an M4, cannot remember which version, to see about getting a 90mm gun to Europe faster then the M26. In the end they realized that it would be no quicker so only made one of them.
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Quite so. I think LiB posted a picture of that beast a while back... ...a pretty ungainly thing, if I remember correctly. :)
 

Life In Black

Claymore said:
Quite so. I think LiB posted a picture of that beast a while back... ...a pretty ungainly thing, if I remember correctly. :)
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I can't remember if I posted it or not,as it sounds quite tame compared to some of the stuff I end up posting. :p

But yeah, I know thought was put into getting a 90mm into the Sherman turret itself, but it was deemed unfeasible, and wouldn't have worked very well. I believe the first 90mm mounted on a Sherman chassis might have been this thing though:
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There's also the very similar (although much better looking, you should see some of the other photos of the T53) Ram 3.7in AA vehicle.
 
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Life In Black said:
I can't remember if I posted it or not,as it sounds quite tame compared to some of the stuff I end up posting. :p

But yeah, I know thought was put into getting a 90mm into the Sherman turret itself, but it was deemed unfeasible, and wouldn't have worked very well. I believe the first 90mm mounted on a Sherman chassis might have been this thing though:

There's also the very similar (although much better looking, you should see some of the other photos of the T53) Ram 3.7in AA vehicle.
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Nice pic but this was the one I was thinking of...

The real hybrid is on the left with a very nice model (picked off of Wiki and therefore apologies to the builder for the gratuitous use) of a similar conversion on the right. Interestingly, the OTL photo has the M26 turret mounted on a what is probably a M4A3 with VVSS whilst the model is based on a M4A3E8 with HVSS. Both look somewhat fat-headed!

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Life In Black

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Nice pic but this was the one I was thinking of...

The real hybrid is on the left with a very nice model (picked off of Wiki and therefore apologies to the builder for the gratuitous use) of a similar conversion on the right. Interestingly, the OTL photo has the M26 turret mounted on a what is probably a M4A3 with VVSS whilst the model is based on a M4A3E8 with HVSS. Both look somewhat fat-headed!
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I knew what conversion you were talking about, I just said that I wasn't sure I was the one who posted it, not that I hadn't heard of it before.
 

Zaskar24

That is the beast Claymore! I believe that the model was built by Marshal Zod at either/or the What If and Beyond the Sprues forums.

I do like both versions. I would think that the HVSS version would be better due to the wider tracks giving better mobility on muddy terrain and the like. I just wonder if the Israelis could have shoehorned a 105 mm L7 cannon into the M26 turret.

LiB, thank you for posting the pic of the Sherman with the 90mm mounted on the hull.
 
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Life In Black said:
I knew what conversion you were talking about, I just said that I wasn't sure I was the one who posted it, not that I hadn't heard of it before.
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Roger that. As the Grand Master of all tanks strange and wonderful I'm sure that it was on your radar. :p

Zaskar24 said:
That is the beast Claymore! I believe that the model was built by Marshal Zod at either/or the What If and Beyond the Sprues forums.

I do like both versions. I would think that the HVSS version would be better due to the wider tracks giving better mobility on muddy terrain and the like. I just wonder if the Israelis could have shoehorned a 105 mm L7 cannon into the M26 turret.
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Ah, he is indeed a fine modeller and I have seen and admired much that he has done.

The Israelis did of course mount the French 105mm F1 gun in the M-51 Sherman.
 
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Life In Black

Zaskar24 said:
That is the beast Claymore! I believe that the model was built by Marshal Zod at either/or the What If and Beyond the Sprues forums.

I do like both versions. I would think that the HVSS version would be better due to the wider tracks giving better mobility on muddy terrain and the like. I just wonder if the Israelis could have shoehorned a 105 mm L7 cannon into the M26 turret.

LiB, thank you for posting the pic of the Sherman with the 90mm mounted on the hull.
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You're welcome. As for getting a 105mm L7 into the M26 turret,they probably could have, but I can't imagine it would be as effective as other such mountings given the turret is smaller. I'm not sure if the Israelis ever bothered to try putting a 105mm L7 into the Sherman turret, as the M-51 predates the Israelis getting the 105mm L7, so there was no need for such a conversion by the time they used the 105mm L7.
 

cortz#9

Toldi Mk. IV from a timeline where Barbarossa never took place. Suspension and gun from a TAS 43M and modified turret and exhaust from a Toldi III.
I imagine the TAS 43M being butterflied away by the absence of the Panther, while the evolution of the Toldi is more heavily influenced by the Pz.Kpfw. IV.

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