AHC: Algeria retains a large European population post-independence

Could Algeria have been the North's equivalent to South Africa, in retaining a large white minority in an African nation, in an alternate timeline?

During the days of French Algeria, the nation had a sizable population of white people in it, some of whom were actually born and raised there during this time. They were known as Pieds-Noirs. They were actually the majority population of the city Oran. By the time it became independent in 1962, whites had made up 15% of the population: Majority of them French, but also including Italians, Spaniards, Maltese and others. However, soon after Algeria became independent following the Algerian War, they fled back home to Europe because of the hostile and violent conditions as well as discrimination they faced from the Muslim majority. For some, this was even harder because as said they were born and raised in Algeria so technically they were fleeing from their homes rather than going back.

I guess the easiest way for this to happen is for the Algerian independence to come without a violent war, ie peaceful decolonization. But at the time of the '50s/early '60s, when the European Powers still wanted to keep their holdings against the changing tide, that sounds easier said than done, so a change in timing might have to be the case to the later '60s/'70s.

As for the effects, I can imagine modern Algeria being quite unique in having major cultural and political ties to Europe, and the aforementioned Oran being the big hub for it. This could greatly change the culture of the area just by having that larger presence of Europeans. The Pied-Noirs would be a major subculture in their own right, and exist in an odd place in both North Africa and Europe, belonging to the former while ethnically and culturally derived from the latter. I do wonder what a modern Pieds-Noir culture might be like.

Could this have happened if things went differently?
 
I guess the easiest way for this to happen is for the Algerian independence to come without a violent war, ie peaceful decolonization. But at the time of the '50s/early '60s, when the European Powers still wanted to keep their holdings against the changing tide, that sounds easier said than done, so a change in timing might have to be the case to the later '60s/'70s.
Peacefully decolonization is impossible given Algeria status within France. But if you prevent the Oran massacre and maintain the independence agreement protecting the settlers. You could have a surviving Pieds-Noir minority.
 
Peacefully decolonization is impossible given Algeria status within France. But if you prevent the Oran massacre and maintain the independence agreement protecting the settlers. You could have a surviving Pieds-Noir minority.
Good point. How do you imagine a modern Pieds-Noir culture as being in a post-colonial world?
 
Get rid of the OAS ASAP, preferably strangling it in its crib.

A stronger Communist Party movement among the pied noirs would also help.
 
Could Algeria have been the North's equivalent to South Africa, in retaining a large white minority in an African nation, in an alternate timeline?
This might be easier in Libya in a ATL where Italy doesnt join the Axis. The colony as a whole was nearly 20% European at the start of WWII.

It had less than 1 million people. Not hard to imagine a scenario where the current population is majority European if not a substantial minority.
 
Libya would be the more likely if Mussolini wasn't intent on recreating the Roman Empire. Resources that went into the Balkans and Horn of Africa plus having no bromance with Adolf would have served Italy well. Finding enough Europeans to change the demographics would have been a snap, with Jews in the 30s and huge numbers postwar,then pied noirs,ethnic Greeks from Nassers expulsions and Benito probably be a anticommunist hero instead of dangling by his heels. Everything I've ever seen or read about Algeria just screams mutual hatred.
 
This might be easier in Libya in a ATL where Italy doesnt join the Axis. The colony as a whole was nearly 20% European at the start of WWII.

It had less than 1 million people. Not hard to imagine a scenario where the current population is majority European if not a substantial minority.

It was actually about 12% as far as I know, but the Italians only started settling it in late 1938. If oil was discovered there in the early 1930s, zero doubt it would have become majority Italian (it would have IOTL even if oil hadn't been discovered, as long as Italy stayed out of WWII).

Spain is another interesting one, actually. Its African territories had a very low population, and at least one offered an actual reason for lots of people to want to move there (Equatorial Guinea with its oil). A surviving Spanish Republic might have ended up just giving everyone in the colonies citizenship as the most expedient solution when world opinion started really turning against colonialism.

Libya would be the more likely if Mussolini wasn't intent on recreating the Roman Empire. Resources that went into the Balkans and Horn of Africa plus having no bromance with Adolf would have served Italy well. Finding enough Europeans to change the demographics would have been a snap, with Jews in the 30s and huge numbers postwar,then pied noirs,ethnic Greeks from Nassers expulsions and Benito probably be a anticommunist hero instead of dangling by his heels. Everything I've ever seen or read about Algeria just screams mutual hatred.

They wouldn't even need to look that far, Southern Italy was (and to a lesser degree still is) extremely poor. Getting people to move there would have been easy with minimal incentives.

As far as Algeria, yeah, you're right. The Arab population there was too big and the ideology that drove French colonization too oppressive to ever make that work. Even Mussolini IIRC made some token noises about Muslim Libyans being "historic Romans" or something.
 
Libya would be the more likely if Mussolini wasn't intent on recreating the Roman Empire. Resources that went into the Balkans and Horn of Africa plus having no bromance with Adolf would have served Italy well. Finding enough Europeans to change the demographics would have been a snap, with Jews in the 30s and huge numbers postwar,then pied noirs,ethnic Greeks from Nassers expulsions and Benito probably be a anticommunist hero instead of dangling by his heels. Everything I've ever seen or read about Algeria just screams mutual hatred.
This might be easier in Libya in a ATL where Italy doesnt join the Axis. The colony as a whole was nearly 20% European at the start of WWII.

It had less than 1 million people. Not hard to imagine a scenario where the current population is majority European if not a substantial minority.
They wouldn't even need to look that far, Southern Italy was (and to a lesser degree still is) extremely poor. Getting people to move there would have been easy with minimal incentives.

As far as Algeria, yeah, you're right. The Arab population there was too big and the ideology that drove French colonization too oppressive to ever make that work. Even Mussolini IIRC made some token noises about Muslim Libyans being "historic Romans" or something.
This should go in a separate thread.
 
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