The Ottomans aren't too happy right now, but I haven't decided exactly what to do with them yet, though I do have ideas.
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The Ottomans aren't too happy right now, but I haven't decided exactly what to do with them yet, though I do have ideas.
Well, they got Russia on top of them, and now they got the new Austria to deal with. Both are going to try to make the Ottoman Empire fall apart as best they can.
Really, they only hope is to allied with Germany, or the UK. Maybe even the USA, but they too far away.
Hmmm… I think I smell a brawl coming up between Germany and Austria in the future… And meanwhile, how are the various ethnic groups within Austria going deal with the new internal divisions?
I love the flag for the Federation of Germany. Nice to see that the Germans like
eagles just like the Americans do. Will we possibly see an alliance between the US and Germany in the future a la Harry Turtledove's Southern Victory series?
(One small note: The flags for the US and the CS seem to have disappeared from their places in the timeline.)
I love the flag for the Federation of Germany. Nice to see that the Germans like
eagles just like the Americans do. Will we possibly see an alliance between the US and Germany in the future a la Harry Turtledove's Southern Victory series?
(One small note: The flags for the US and the CS seem to have disappeared from their places in the timeline.)
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Subscribed. Great Work. I always said the CSA pulling an ACW 2.0 victory out of its ass was Neo-Confederate BS.
Good luck Superman
Good luck Supermanvery good update , i hope soon the territories under military occupation , become States again, and California also becoming a State . And Blacks allowed to vote , and all other minorities . Cant hardly wait for the next update .
There's also Italy, Japan (for all the good it does them), Spain (though we see what happens to them), and a few others, but for now, the Ottomans are in a tough spot.
There's still going to be ethnic troubles, but for the most part, it'll be a lot better than IOTL. I might shift the borders around a bit to make them more realistic, but they're pretty close to the finalized borders.
Thanks.
I can't answer that right now.
Oh, really? Well, I'll try to fix that.
Thanks. I firmly believe that the Confederacy would be unable to win its independence without outside assistance. There are very few countries that I hate. The Confederacy is one of them. I tried to be more realistic with their capabilities here.Subscribed. Great Work. I always said the CSA pulling an ACW 2.0 victory out of its ass was Neo-Confederate BS.
Thanks. California has already been a state since before the Confederate War of Independence, though. It precedes the POD.
Due to the Equalist movement, "blacks" and other "minorities" will be able to vote relatively soon.
We could've sunk enough of the French Army on its way, and kept our blockade going.
The ironclad was all that mattered on the sea then, and we ruled in that department, and could've won naval battles, sunk transports, and kept the blockade going. French Gloire was first, but, by the time a fleet could've gotten here we had the hugest monitor horde totally outnumbering them. We were already ahead of Britain when they started, and stayed ahead in ironclads.
France's Napoleon 3 was so foolish, like Shrub, another sonny-boy, that' he lost his own capital as well as Mexico. That mean he would be a fun minus even if his troops could make it enough for a serious bridgehead.
That foolish makes it most believable he'd intervene.
Prussia, I think, is likely join ACW as an excuse to unify German earlier by taking Paris too easily like they did OTL.
Ruaaia might declare war on CSA to keep the France at home.
Sorry for the late notice. My lame and miserable excuse is that I've been commenting on and reading alot of ACW material. At least maybe you get extra possibilities of fun now from the stupid or fail.
The ironclad was all that mattered on the sea then, and we ruled in that department, and could've won naval battles, sunk transports, and kept the blockade going. French Gloire was first, but, by the time a fleet could've gotten here we had the hugest monitor horde totally outnumbering them. We were already ahead of Britain when they started, and stayed ahead in ironclads.
France's Napoleon 3 was so foolish, like Shrub, another sonny-boy, that' he lost his own capital as well as Mexico. That mean he would be a fun minus even if his troops could make it enough for a serious bridgehead.
That foolish makes it most believable he'd intervene.
Prussia, I think, is likely join ACW as an excuse to unify German earlier by taking Paris too easily like they did OTL.
Ruaaia might declare war on CSA to keep the France at home.
Sorry for the late notice. My lame and miserable excuse is that I've been commenting on and reading alot of ACW material. At least maybe you get extra possibilities of fun now from the stupid or fail.
The blockade was stretched already. The United States would be hard pressed to extend it to cover all of Mexico.
Here's the thing though, the US Navy isn't entirely ironclad and once again it can't cover everything from the Chesapeake to the Yucatan.
What? It's not like they're storming the beaches, they are simply backing up the Confederates. And Nappy wasn't personally leading the troops. Besides this isn't the Prussian Army. It's a weakened Union one.
Well considering what he did IOTL…
Why? The Austro-Prussian War hasn't happened yet, he doesn't have the needed unity, he doesn't even have the NGC. He also has no reasonable reason to declare war. Plus the reforms haven't happened yet. He didn't attack IOTL when France was involved in Crimea, or Italy, or Mexico. Why now?
The Peaceful Revolution
In the aftermath of the Second Confederate-American War, the Confederate States was a poor, broken nation. The outcome of the war had made the interim government incredibly unpopular with the Confederate people. Following Tillman’s removal and arrest, Vice President Robert E. Lee, Jr. had ascended to the Presidency for the remainder of Tillman’s term. However, Lee had not inherited his famous father’s popularity. As slave uprisings, labor strikes, and recession continued, Lee chose not to run for a full term in the 1902 presidential election.
The near-collapse of the Confederate People’s Party allowed for the emergence of new movements. Started in 1896 by a group of farmers in Georgia who had become increasingly dissatisfied with President Tillman, the Southron Farmer-Labor movement had been forced underground by Tillman, but exploded in popularity near the end of the Second Confederate-American War as it was allowed to exist as a legitimate organization again. Partly inspired by the American Progressive Movement, the Farmer-Labor Movement made unlikely allies of farmers, factory workers, war veterans, and even Afro-Confederates who believed that the current economic and governmental system in the South existed to oppress the masses and benefit the rich. In 1902, the newly renamed Labor Party nominated union leader Albert Parsons of Alabama as their first candidate for President. The results were as follows:
Clifton R. Breckinridge (Democratic) – 1,435,041 (42.1%)
Albert Parsons (Labor) – 1,222,905 (37.2%)
Charles W. Macune (Confederate People’s) – 477,307 (20.3%)
Despite not winning the election, the Labor Party had a respectable showing, coming in second place, and won many seats in Congress.
President Clifton R. Breckinridge, 1903-1909
The new president, Clifton Rhodes Breckinridge, was the son of the famous fire-eater John C. Breckinridge, and ran on a platform of national healing and recovery after the war. Though Breckinridge was a conservative, he had long been an opponent of Tillman, and saw reconciliation with the United States as the only hope the Confederacy had left. Breckinridge reversed many of Tillman’s more authoritarian changes, but was unable to undo his more popular economic reforms, due to an unlikely alliance of Congressional Laborites and Populists. Very slowly, the economy recovered – for the rich. For the vast majority of the Confederates, life had not improved at all. The Labor Party’s claim that the current economic and governmental system needed to be replaced grew more appealing, and the Party soon began calling for a new Constitutional Convention, to start over with a new, fairer governing document.
By the time of the 1908 presidential election, the Labor Party had gained a national following from members of all social classes except the Southron “aristocracy”. As such, the results were not unexpected.
Thomas E. Watson (Labor) – 1,526,868 (48.7%)
Edward Jackson (Democratic) – 1,388,917 (44.3%)
Henry Buchanan (Confederate People’s) – 188,115 (6.0%)
With the Labor Party having won its first president, and with a majority in both Houses of Congress, President Watson called for a Constitutional Convention. This was embraced by the Labor governments in the states, but rejected by the Democratic ones, who feared that a Constitutional Convention would be radical and redistribute their wealth and property. Ultimately, the call for the Convention was accepted as Congress and four of the six states approved it.
President Thomas E. Watson, 1909-1911
In March 1909, five delegates from each of the six states, along with neutral observers from the United States, met in Atlanta, Georgia, to write a new Constitution for the Confederate States of America. What was nearly unanimously agreed upon was the neutering of the presidency, to prevent the concentration of power that had occurred during the Tillman years from ever happening again. However, the delegates were unable to agree on nearly anything else, and the Atlanta Convention was deemed a failure.
The state governments appointed new delegates for a second Convention, this one in Montgomery, Alabama, five months later. At the Montgomery Convention, the delegates chose a British-style parliamentary system of government with a ceremonial president as a head of state, but included strict limits on its powers. The Senate, as it would be known, would have the power to collect taxes, raise and maintain a military, conduct international diplomacy and declare war, build roads and infrastructure, and pass and enforce laws to “protect the liberty and welfare of the Southron people”. However, the delegates still disagreed on what else to include in the Constitution.
Albert Parsons, Alabama delegate
Ultimately, delegate Albert Parsons of Alabama came up with what would eventually be accepted. The Parsons Proposal kept the bicameral legislature that the previous Confederate Congress had, but altered the nature of both Houses. The House of the People would be based mostly on population, with each state also granted an additional two Senators appointed by the state legislatures to benefit the smaller states. The non-appointed Senators would be elected via proportional representation, by all people within the district they represent. The House of the People would contain all of the political and legislative power. The other House would be the House of Heritage. The House of Heritage would be comprised of the 100 richest families in the nation, and membership would be hereditary and for life. Members of the House of Heritage would be entitled to a decently-sized piece of land and a nominal salary, all free from taxation, but would not possess any legislative powers.
In addition, the government under the Parsons Proposal would collect income taxes progressively and use the money to pay for social welfare programs, such as subsidizing farmers, passing wage and health and safety regulations protecting workers and unions, and establishing a welfare state.
The most controversial part of the Parsons Proposal was the proposal to abolish slavery. Many plantation owners throughout the country still depended on slavery for their livelihood, and “white” workers were concerned about having to compete for jobs with Negros who would most likely work for less. The abolition proposal nearly killed the Parsons Proposal until Parsons himself pointed out that the terms of the Confederate-American War meant that slavery had to be abolished by 1920 anyways, and that a gradual emancipation starting now would make the process easier. Ultimately, the delegates decided to abolish slavery, but to ship the free “blacks” out of the country, most likely to Africa.
When the new Constitution was written, it was submitted to the states for ratification. Nearly immediately, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, and Mississippi approved it, but South Carolina and Alabama held out until January 1910. It was decided that the new Constitution would go into effect on January 1, 1911, the first day of the new decade. Now, all that was needed was the name. While many people advocated that the nation continue to be called the Confederate States of America, widespread popular opinion was for a clean break with the past. No longer would Confederates call themselves Americans. A name was chosen to represent the South specifically, and not the entirety of two continents. On January 1, 1911, Thomas E. Watson stepped down as the eighth and last President of the Confederate States of America. Obediah Howard Smith was elected by the Senate as the first Premier [1] of the Confederation of Dixie.
Flag of the Confederation of Dixie
[1] Thanks to Corsair_Caruso for the name suggestion
I liked it. Wasn't expecting a parlimentary Confederacy to show up, but truth be told I didn't expect the Confederacy to live once the Union went in for revenge. So all and all, good update.
Thanks. I originally planned that because I thought it would be cool (I was always going to have a Constitutional Convention), and then I realized that Tillman's presidential tyranny might have put the Confederates off of a powerful presidency at all, so it actually made sense.
Canada's doing all right. It unified back in 1875, I believe.
And I can't tell you anything about the South.
All right.
I can sti see the whole abolishing slavery by 1920 and sending them back to Africa not reallying working out at all.
It might not be a good plan, but it's a plan. The US government will help with sending the freedmen to Liberia and the Congo to help assimilate those areas better.
And a list of political parties in the CSA (American list coming eventually, hopefully):
List of Political Parties in the Confederate States of America (A House Divided)
Democratic Party: A standard 19th century conservative party. Descended from United States Democratic Party. Pro-slavery and friendly towards plantation owners and wealthy "aristocrats". Evolved into Conservative Party
Confederate People's Party: A populist, centralist, but highly nationalist and militaristic party. Pro-slavery, but anti-elitism and anti-aristocracy. Collapsed after Confederate-American War.
Labor Party: A progressive, socialistic party. Economically populist. Neutral on slavery, but leaning towards abolition. Dominant party in Confederation of Dixie.
List of Political Parties in the Confederation of Dixie (as of 1911):
Labor Party: See above
Conservative Party: A standard early-20th century conservative party. Probably the Southron equivalent of Toryism. Opposition party in the Confederation of Dixie.
Liberal Party: A classical liberal party supported primarily by the bourgeoisie and capitalist middle class. They are slightly more pro-US than the two major parties. They pay at least nominal lip-service to civil rights for freedmen. Third party.
Negro Liberation Movement: Far-left movement seeking full rights for the recently emancipated ex-slaves. Minor party.
American Unionist Party: A pro-US party that seeks to reunify the Confederation of Dixie with the United States. Minor party.
Southron National Party: A far-right party that seeks the reunification of the entire former Confederate States, the destruction of the United States, the re institution of slavery, and a Southern Empire dominating North America. Minor party.
List of Political Parties in the Confederate States of America (A House Divided)
Democratic Party: A standard 19th century conservative party. Descended from United States Democratic Party. Pro-slavery and friendly towards plantation owners and wealthy "aristocrats". Evolved into Conservative Party
Confederate People's Party: A populist, centralist, but highly nationalist and militaristic party. Pro-slavery, but anti-elitism and anti-aristocracy. Collapsed after Confederate-American War.
Labor Party: A progressive, socialistic party. Economically populist. Neutral on slavery, but leaning towards abolition. Dominant party in Confederation of Dixie.
List of Political Parties in the Confederation of Dixie (as of 1911):
Labor Party: See above
Conservative Party: A standard early-20th century conservative party. Probably the Southron equivalent of Toryism. Opposition party in the Confederation of Dixie.
Liberal Party: A classical liberal party supported primarily by the bourgeoisie and capitalist middle class. They are slightly more pro-US than the two major parties. They pay at least nominal lip-service to civil rights for freedmen. Third party.
Negro Liberation Movement: Far-left movement seeking full rights for the recently emancipated ex-slaves. Minor party.
American Unionist Party: A pro-US party that seeks to reunify the Confederation of Dixie with the United States. Minor party.
Southron National Party: A far-right party that seeks the reunification of the entire former Confederate States, the destruction of the United States, the re institution of slavery, and a Southern Empire dominating North America. Minor party.