WI: Oliver Cromwell chose to become King?

[Morty Vicar]

Firstly, I'm a woman so please stop referring to me as him. Secondly, I will go and find sources, but I also resent having to.

Why are we even talking about this psychopath? Where is the thread about how Adolf Hitler could have become King?

There are endless threads about Hitler and the Nazis, Imperial Japan, Stalin, the Confederates.. Interestingly you haven't decided to shut those threads down, that must therefore mean you support each and every one of those murderous regimes, to use your own weak logic.

Knowing the period it's probably an engraving.

<img>

Please stop supporting the genocidal Confederates, Strawberry. They wanted to wipe out Protestantism, full stop.

Source for the picture please?

Indeed, I would make that his top opposition. The New Model Army might not welcome him as King. Certain elements will obviously but a Civil War is going to emerge out of that unless he can somehow solve the problem. Which of course might involve Charles II making a landing and having another attempt at getting the throne back.

I think the greater support will come for Charles, he has a legitimate claim, wheras Cromwell got to his position essentially by lying to everyone.

 

[Maponus]

Why are we even talking about this psychopath?

Jugding from your post history it seems obvious you don't know or care what this forum is about and seek to treat it as a extension of your career in YouTube comments about Ireland and Catholicism or whatever.

 

[assasin]

Knowing the period it's probably an engraving.

Please stop supporting the genocidal Irish Confederates, Strawberry. They wanted to wipe out Protestantism, full stop.

That just shows them murdering children. Not eating them. Plus its obviously propaganda.

 

[Strawberry]

Jugding from your post history it seems obvious you don't know or care what this forum is about and seek to treat it as a extension of your career in YouTube comments about Ireland and Catholicism or whatever.

I have no career in You Tube about Ireland or anything else. Nor do I seek to close this thread down. I just wanted to point out that Cromwell is a genocidal maniac. I think I have made that point clear now.

Do you want to respect my right to free speech and move on now?

 

[Morty Vicar]

That just shows them murdering children. Not eating them. Plus its obviously propaganda.

The image is English propaganda of the time, alleging Irish rebels to be murdering Protestant families. The truth is, as in all wars, both sides probably committed atrocities. Sadly for the period these ones wouldn't even stand out as particularly bad.

 

[Maponus]

That just shows them murdering children. Not eating them. Plus its obviously propaganda.

I was making a joke about the rampant atrocity propaganda of the period.

 

[assasin]

I was making a joke about the rampant propaganda of the period.

Ah. The language is hard to decipher.

 

[Morty Vicar]

I have no career in You Tube about Ireland or anything else. Nor do I seek to close this thread down. I just wanted to point out that Cromwell is a genocidal maniac. I think I have made that point clear now.

Do you want to respect my right to free speech and move on now?

Your right to free speech does not extend to your right to shut down threads on an alternate history forum about an alternate historical scenario. Anyway you have made your point, repeatedly, calm down.

 

[gianni_rivera]

Because Cromwell is a bastard and so this thread should die?

When it has become a rule in this forum?

For the Indigenous Americans, the Spanish are bastards. For the Jews, Hitler is a bastard...

Should we just close this forum.

 

[Strawberry]

Ah come on now, I never said close anything. I just said Cromwell was a bastard, that's hardly a surprising thing to hear from an Irish person.

I'm sure its not going to close the forum down.

 

[Will Lucky]

I think the greater support will come for Charles, he has a legitimate claim, wheras Cromwell got to his position essentially by lying to everyone.

He does but a fourth Civil War could be even more of a mess. Cromwell against Parliament and sections of the New Model Army. Charles II will almost certainly make a landing with a French backed army. The Scottish Presbyterians might decide to throw into it on there own behalf or Charles II. And its likely Ireland will descend into rebellion once again.

 

[9 Fanged Hummingbird]

Ah come on now, I never said close anything. I just said Cromwell was a bastard, that's hardly a surprising thing to hear from an Irish person.

I'm sure its not going to close the forum down.

Are you sure that's what you said?

Yes, this again. Oliver Cromwell is an evil bastard again.

And yes, let's hope this thread dies again, for that reason.

]

I'm trying to stop this thread, not rant about it. And, sorry, but Cromwell's soldiers practised cannabilism in Ireland. Mostly against children.


Can we drop this thread now?

I don't believe you understand the point of alternate history. Or understand what propaganda is. I mean seriously, they ate children? Talk about the oldest smear in the book. Even during the roughly contemporaneous wars in America which were just as brutal and costly the English were somehow able to resist the urge to eat Abenaki babies.

 

[CalBear]

]

I'm trying to stop this thread, not rant about it. And, sorry, but Cromwell's soldiers practised cannabilism in Ireland. Mostly against children.


Can we drop this thread now?

Uh...

Ya.

You just crossed the line from troll to bugfuck nuts.

We divorce you.

 

[Thoresby]

Thank you banning Strawberry, it was getting ridiculous. As to the OP I think King Oliver would probably have better relations with the other European Monarchies than Lord Protector Cromwell. Remember in OTL the Commonwealth was a pariah and regarded with enormous suspicion for exactly the same reasons that Revolutionary France was. Now obviously European Monarchs aren't going to be keen on Oliver the Usurper but his Kingdom would be less obviously revolutionary and threatening.

 

[Maponus]

Oh!

So CalBear stands for "California Bear!"

 

[Shiva]

Thank you banning Strawberry, it was getting ridiculous. As to the OP I think King Oliver would probably have better relations with the other European Monarchies than Lord Protector Cromwell. Remember in OTL the Commonwealth was a pariah and regarded with enormous suspicion for exactly the same reasons that Revolutionary France was. Now obviously European Monarchs aren't going to be keen on Oliver the Usurper but his Kingdom would be less obviously revolutionary and threatening.

That's an interesting point, if Europe in general doesn't view King Oliver's Britain as a complete pariah, would he be able to use that to prevent foreign support for a Stuart Restoration?

 

[Dirk_Pitt]

So THIS is what a Godwin'd Derailed Thread looks like...

Rather depressing.


But back on topic, I 'gree with idea that Cromwell stood little chance of creating a long living dynasty.

But I guess it could have happened. Weirder things have happened.

 

[Thoresby]

That's an interesting point, if Europe in general doesn't view King Oliver's Britain as a complete pariah, would he be able to use that to prevent foreign support for a Stuart Restoration?

Well in OTL Charles was living in the Netherlands as the guest of his sister the Princess of Orange which was anyway at war with England at the time so that wouldn't change and the Restoration had minimal foreign involvement but rather was the product of political developments in England.

 

[Lindseyman]

King Richard IV would be unlikely to survive much longer than Lord Protector Richard Cromwell did OTL. The "Restoration" would just be delayed for a year or two although would it still be called the "Restoration" in these circumstances?

 

[Ameise]

Thank you banning Strawberry, it was getting ridiculous. As to the OP I think King Oliver would probably have better relations with the other European Monarchies than Lord Protector Cromwell. Remember in OTL the Commonwealth was a pariah and regarded with enormous suspicion for exactly the same reasons that Revolutionary France was. Now obviously European Monarchs aren't going to be keen on Oliver the Usurper but his Kingdom would be less obviously revolutionary and threatening.

I'm not so sure. Cromwell is still regicidal, which is not looked well upon. Most monarchs still treated the throne as sacred, and there were contemporary examples of non-monarchies even in Europe.

Cromwell taking the throne is going to be seen as a direct insult to the sanctity of their position - he basically killed the previous king, and then declared himself king. That goes against much of what they believe, or at least try to make the peasants believe. I suspect that they'd find the popular belief that you can kill the king and then become king yourself much more dangerous.