Red Star: A Soviet Lunar Landing

Looking over some figures. The VAB doors where 456 feet hight. The Saturn V tower was 380 feet high with the rocket 363 feet high. The Mobile Launch platform was 24 feet high and the Crawler Transporter was 20 feet high so everything was 424 feet high. This gives around 20-30 feet of more height capability on the tower. It isn't much but it does allow some increases in height of the rocket. The other way to increase Saturn V payload without a significant increase in height is to use Solid boosters. That isn't without using other measures like a tower crane on the roof of the VAB. You assemble most of the stack in-doors and you move it outside to assemble the final parts.

on SRB for Saturn V, ALL of them had to be install on Launch pad, NOT inside VAB, that was safety measurement.

on big Saturn V handling.
most of them were only two stage with SRB and big payload, so handling in VAB
other proposed to erect the rocket in VAB rolled it to Launch pad and put Payload on top
other say "raise that dam VAB roof, so our 500 feet Saturn fit in..."
 
on SRB for Saturn V, ALL of them had to be install on Launch pad, NOT inside VAB, that was safety measurement.

on big Saturn V handling.
most of them were only two stage with SRB and big payload, so handling in VAB
other proposed to erect the rocket in VAB rolled it to Launch pad and put Payload on top
other say "raise that dam VAB roof, so our 500 feet Saturn fit in..."

What is a little confusing for me in my research is the difference in the treatment of the SRB's for the proposed variants on the Saturn's and the Shuttle. The Shuttle SRB's where installed inside the VAB. However for the Saturn proposals they wanted to attach the SRB's at the pad. I wonder with the shuttle they got more comfortable with the SRB's and decided it was ok to work with them inside the VAB.
 
What is a little confusing for me in my research is the difference in the treatment of the SRB's for the proposed variants on the Saturn's and the Shuttle. The Shuttle SRB's where installed inside the VAB. However for the Saturn proposals they wanted to attach the SRB's at the pad. I wonder with the shuttle they got more comfortable with the SRB's and decided it was ok to work with them inside the VAB.

yes the Shuttle SRB are installed in VAB.
but here are SRB a mayor structural part of launch vehicle, they holed the ET& orbiter in place
in case of Advance Saturn V the SRB were simply add-ons
 
Mishin and TsKBEM were enjoying mixed - but improving - fortunes in 1968. While they had managed to see a Soviet Cosmonaut reach the Moon ahead of the Americans, they couldn’t achieve either the Lunar Orbital or Landing missions until the N1 was working reliably, and that was their main pacing item. Following the decidedly below-expected results of the first two launches, it was eventually determined that the Pogo Oscillations that almost ended the 2nd N1 launch was induced by a complex interaction of the many propellant lines vibrating at a frequency that was harmonic with the launch vehicle structure. Furthermore, when the pre-programmed shutdown of some of the first stage engines (to reduce the accelerative stresses on both the launch vehicle and, when manned, the crew) occurred, the sudden 25% reduction in thrust caused the lowermost portion of the Block A, where the engines were mounted, to ‘ping’ back a bit, which affected the propellant flow to the remaining engines. Once the rest of the N1 fell a bit back into them, the propellant flow would increase again and push the engines into the LV again. If these two events were to match in their frequency, the result would be an ever-increasing oscillation that, if left unchecked, carried the strong potential to tear the entire LV apart.

With these likely causes of Launch Vehicle Failure identified, a series of measures were introduced to mitigate them. The use of bellows in some of the propellant lines, while others had their pipes modified to allow inert gas to surround them to change their resonance frequency, combined with dampening mechanisms were hoped to suppress the oscillations and permit successful flights. The biggest problem, however, was that there was no time to install them into the next N1 flight. They would just have to hope for the best.
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In the February of 1968, the N1 was launched on its third launch attempt. As was feared, once the first engine shutdown occurred, the Pogo built up rapidly, and before the point where they could safely fire the Block B to allow mission continuation, the N1 began to break apart, and Range Safety were forced to destroy it 136.14 seconds into the flight. Again, the N1 had failed before the Block A had finished its job.

Again, the failure was investigated, but it was obvious to the engineers what had caused this third N1 to fail. And all they could really do at this point was wait until the modifications to the N were complete, and that meant losing perhaps several months as the American Saturn V was put through its paces. The fear for Mishin was that any more delays like this would allow the US to overtake them, and he knew that they were slowly catching up.

Indeed, in the January of that year, Apollo 5 had been launched. An unmanned test of their Lunar Module (LEM) launched on the Saturn IB, in fact, the same Saturn IB that had been intended for Apollo 1 which had escaped damage in that Fatal Accident.
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Apollo 5 had been delayed due to numerous difficulties with the LEM, mainly with building it, and most recently with the failed test of another LEM at the Grumman manufacturing plant, when the right glass windows and acrylic glass cover had shattered when attempting the cabin pressurisation test, resulting in the decision to replace the LM-1 windows with aluminium plates as a precaution.
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Once in Orbit, despite some problems with the Descent Stage, mainly that its onboard guidance computer terminated the first burn after just 4 seconds, the next two manually controlled tests worked well enough to permit the mission to continue. Following this, a “fire in the hole” ignition of the ascent stage engine was performed, to simulate a landing abort during descent to the Lunar Surface, after which another burn was made of the ascent engine. After less than 12 hours, the test was concluded, and the two stages controls were terminated, their low orbits ensuring they would re-enter within weeks at the most.

NASA’s next big test came in the April of that year. Through reports from the CIA, certain, select NASA staff were aware that the USSR had recently had a failed N1 launch, and that they weren’t out of the Race yet. But they needed their Saturn V to work reliably and that meant another launch to be sure that Apollo 4 hadn’t been a fluke.

The objective was to send the unmanned Apollo CSM on an effective Trans-Lunar Trajectory before using the SM engine for a Direct-Return Abort, to demonstrate the ability to do so. For the first 120 seconds of the flight, it was flawless.
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Following the centre-engine shutdown of the first stage, the Saturn V began to experience severe Pogo Oscillations, and at T+133 seconds, pieces of the spacecraft adapter that attached the CSM to the Saturn V were recorded to be breaking off. Then the J-2 engines of the S-II experienced their own problems, with the No.2 engine suffering a performance drop at T+225s, worsening at T+319s before being shut off altogether by the IU at T+412s, after which engine No.3 shut down as well. The IU compensated for this by burning the remaining J-2 engines for almost a minute longer than planned, with a 29 second extension in the S-IVB stage burn time. Even so, the orbit was rather elliptical as opposed to the planned circular 100nm orbit. In spite of this, once the two-orbit vehicle readiness checkout was completed, the S-IVB was commanded to fire again for simulated TLI, and didn’t.
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With the S-IVB unable to be restarted, it was decided to use the CSM itself to repeat the Apollo 4 test with the CSM placing itself into a high orbit before being re-entered using the SM engine. Despite the engine failures, NASA had already been aware of some of the problems and decided that they had gathered sufficient data from the flight, so a potential third unmanned test was scrubbed.

The next flight in the Apollo Programme was Apollo 7, the first NASA three-man mission, taking Walter M. Schirra, Donn F. Eisele, and R. Walter Cunningham into LEO for an 11-day shakedown flight of the Apollo Block II. The flight itself was good, the Saturn IB taking the Apollo CSM into LEO. Once in orbit, they separated from the S-IVB and simulated the Lunar Module Rendezvous and Docking procedure, where one of the adapter panels had failed to properly deploy, reinforcing the decision to completely separate and jettison the panels on all subsequent flights.
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Things began to go South quickly following the SM engine burns, Schirra had already been unhappy about the less-than-ideal Launch Abort conditions (given that Apollo 7 still had the Block I seats which weren’t as capable with Hard Land Landings than the Block II seats), he then developed a severe head cold which combined with the dissatisfaction with the food selection and the cumbersome waste collection system (that needed 30 minutes to use and made a bad smell), led Schirra to begin to “talk back” to Mission Control. The result of this was that even though Apollo 7 did complete all of its technical objectives, and therefore allowing Apollo 8 to proceed, these particularly terse exchanges led to NASA management deciding to reject Eisele and Cunningham for future missions, Schirra having already announced that Apollo 7 would be his last mission.

Although originally planned to be the second CSM/LEM test in MEO, in the August of 1968, it was decided to make Apollo 8 a special C-Prime mission that would take only the CSM to the Moon. NASA was aware that the Soviets had a launch vehicle that could take their own Cosmonauts to the Moon, and that they’d likely be working out its flaws, and if they managed to enter Lunar Orbit first, they would have good as won the race.
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On the 21st December 1968, the Saturn V carried the CSM with astronauts Frank F. Borman (Cmdr), James A Lovell (CMP), and William A. Anders (LMP). Once TLI was completed, the CSM was jettisoned from the S-IVB stage which five fours later had its remaining propellant vented changing its trajectory to a 0.99 x 0.92 AU Solar Orbit. The only really serious issue came when Borman vomited twice and suffered about of diarrhoea, which was initially attributed to either a 24-hour flu or an adverse reaction to the Seconal sleeping pill he’d taken earlier - it wouldn’t be until later that it would be determined that he had experienced Space Adaptation Syndrome.
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Three days later, and Apollo 8 conducted a 4m13s burn to brake the CSM into Lunar Orbit, since this burn had to occur while the Moon was between Apollo 8 and the Earth, Mission Control would only be aware of if it succeeded after they were safely in Lunar Orbit. Fortunately, at exactly the expect time of reacquisition, the signal from Apollo 8 came back and the status of the spacecraft was given, before Lovell described the Lunar Surface. In it’s fourth orbit, the Apollo 8 crew witnessed Earthrise for themselves, the Earth rising over the bleak Lunar Landscape, and on the ninth orbit, the crew read the first ten verses of the Book of Genesis.

At the tenth orbit, the crew had to fire the SPS again to take them out of Lunar Orbit and back to Earth, and again, the burn had to be performed while they were at the Moon’s Far Side. And again, the spacecraft telemetry was reacquired at the exact predicted moment, Apollo 8 was on its way home, slashing down South of Hawaii on the 27th of December.

As for the Soviets, with the modifications made to the N1 Block A, it received its first completely successful launch at the end of October, and it was hoped that they could perform a Lunar Orbit Mission early in the next year. Vladimir Komarov and Gherman Titov were selected for this mission. Komarov’s skill with manually piloting the malfunctioning Soyuz 1 spacecraft made him a good choice for piloting the Soyuz LOK should its onboard guidance systems fail for any reason.
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The announcement of the Apollo 8 mission actually going to the Moon caught them all off-guard, they had not expected NASA to take the risk with as little experience with the Saturn V and Apollo as they had under their belts. Based on this new revelation, they concluded that NASA would likely be able to get their own Men on the Moon by Apollo 11, if not 10. This was worrying news for the TsKBEM, their existing plans called for a Lunar Orbital Test Flight of the LOK and LK individually, followed by testing them together before committing to the Manned Lunar Landing. With NASA accelerating their schedule, they would need to cut some of their missions if they wanted to come first.

It was decided that the N11 flights had provided sufficient data on the Soyuz 7K-LOK, LK Lander, and the Block D stage to permit an acceleration of their own schedule. It was decided that the next N1 would perform its planned Lunar Orbit mission, before the next two would be used for the first Lunar Landing Mission. Such a profile was extremely risky, but they concluded that all the individual components of the N1-L3 complex were working well now, and that the risks could be afforded.
 
I am curious what the differences are between this TL and OTL. I am also curious what the differences are in spending. There's been some talk already that the NASA budget is likely to be higher given the apparent lead of the Soviets. What about the Soviet budget? And where are both countries getting the money for the more ambitious programs?


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I am curious what the differences are between this TL and OTL. I am also curious what the differences are in spending. There's been some talk already that the NASA budget is likely to be higher given the apparent lead of the Soviets. What about the Soviet budget? And where are both countries getting the money for the more ambitious programs?

The critical difference is that the USSR responded to Kennedy's Public Goal for NASA right after he made it, rather than starting three years late. The extra few years combined with a different profile allowing the Soviets a fighting chance at winning the Lunar Race.

As for funding, there's more than the yearly funds, there's also the number of years involved, with three extra years meaning quite a bit more for the USSR that way. As for the annual funding, not all the details have been worked out for that, but expect an increase over what they did have IOTL.

But trying to go beyond OTL's Apollo? Well NASA does hold the advantage there given the greater size of the US economy.
 
Looking over things I am wondering if how close the Soviets are is going to push NASA to try a landing on Apollo 10 instead of 11. IOTL NASA decided to hold off and test LM-4 in Lunar Orbit to gain a better understanding of Lunar Orbital mechanics. Especially since at the time NASA didn't really understand fully the effect that Mascons had on objects in Lunar Orbit. From my reading there was discussions about allowing Apollo 10 to land since 7,8,9 had all gone so well. However the LM-4 that Apollo 10 used was a little over-weight and couldn't have taken off again and achieved orbit after a landing. Which means that Apollo 10 would have had to flown with LM-5 (Apollo 11 LM) to attempt a landing and I am not sure when LM-5 was exactly flight ready.

Which also begs the question how much do the Soviets understand about Lunar orbit also.
 
L1-LOK would be the first Soviets first Manned Lunar Orbital mission, and it would be a gamble. The N1 had never flown manned before although it's N11 counterpart (comprising of it's 2nd and 3rd stage) had once. The N1 itself had only flown successfully in two out of its four test launches, and whether it would even make it to orbit was debateable. While the escape tower was successful in saving each of the LOK mock-ups in the failed launches, the risk to the cosmonauts was still enormous especially considering the rushed nature of the mission. However timetables had to be met if the Soviet Union was to beat NASA to the Moon.
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This was Gherman Titov's first spaceflight in nearly eight years. He had first flown on Vostok-2 had held the distinguished title as being the second man in Orbit (although the fourth in space overall if one counts the suborbital Mercury flights).
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Finally nearly a month after Apollo 8 the Soviets rocketed off for their own Lunar Orbital flight, January 19th 1969. For the first time the acceleration and thrust of the N1 was felt by someone onboard. The massive Block A stage roaring like a monster to be reckoned with. The vibrations shook the capsule like a tin can as the cone-like stack moved ever faster. Finally at T+155 seconds, the Block A was thrown away like it was yesterday’s trash. A huge sigh of relief hit mission control as the crew continued firing on the more reliable second and the third stage. After a brief resting period in a 181 x 225.7 km parking orbit, the command was given and L1-LOK was on a trajectory around the Moon. At this point the mission was revealed to the public as a Manned spaceflight around the Moon. The Soviet Press was intentionally vague in it's wording so that if it failed to achieve lunar orbit insertion it could be claimed to be a manned circumlunar test of the LOK from the start. This was unnecessary however as the Soyuz LOK's Block D stage successfully fired it into Low Lunar Orbit. There the Soviet gazed in awe at the beautiful desolation of the lunar surface. As the admired the Moon's impact craters, plains, mountains and valleys, the state press was quick to announce their success in achieving lunar orbit. Claims that the Soviet's Space Program was all about prestige and propaganda were countered with description of it as a "Piloted Lunar Mapping/Survey Orbiter" with the intent to "scout out scientific and geological areas of interest for further exploration". The American public knew what this meant, Lunar Landing Sites!
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The Soviets also tested the LOK's abilities to manoeuvre in lunar orbit which occurred as they would normally expect. However the flight controllers at home had not time for sight seeing or procrastinating. Eager to get the crew home safely the Soyuz 7K-LOK spent just twelve hours orbiting the lunar surface before that same Block D that took them into orbit finally took them out, safely returning them home. It's final job complete the Block D was jettisoned and floated away towards it's inevitable fate of burning up uncontrolled in the atmosphere. The trip back was not so pleasant, a ventilation valve between the descent and orbital module had been jolted open as a result of their imperfect final separation before re-entry. The crew would surely have died from suffocation if it weren't for their pressure suits. As the depressurized cabin continued it's trajectory the situation was looking more and more risky. While the LOK's descent module had successfully returned from lunar velocities before on L1 missions and on simulated LEO missions it was crucial now more than ever that it work. The crew decided to just reenter the atmosphere depressurized, something that had never been done before. As the spacecraft punched its hole of plasma through the upper atmosphere the world waited for the answer, had they survived. The announcement of the crews safe return was repeated and emphasized to put to bed any rumors of their death. While it wasn't the first Soviet lunar spaceflight it was by far the most technically important at this point. The success of this flight would set the stage for the first of the Soviet Union's lunar landing attempts. In secret the L1-1 mission was already well on it's way to being flight ready.
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Interesting you should mention what the Soviets know about lunar orbit.

Yeah since they haven't achieved Lunar Orbit yet. It is a "little" different than doing a free return trajectory around the moon. This is where the solid investment by NASA in infrastructure, spacecraft and technologies starts to pay off. They laid the ground work well. Considering that they went from October 1968 achieving Earth Orbit the first time with the Apollo Capsule to landing in July 1969. A very rapid movement in missions which could really catch the Soviets by surprise. People have to Remember between December 1968-November 1969 NASA launched 5 Saturn V rockets and achieved 2 moon landings.
 
You just read the last post right?

The Soviets acheived Manned Lunar Orbit in January 1969.

Didn't see your addition until after I had posted. Another great update.

The Soviets and the US are neck and neck at this point. Apollo 9 is due to launch on March 3, 1969. I wonder if any serious thought is given to changing the mission to a test of LM in Lunar Orbit instead of Earth Orbit? I know historically the US public didn't really understand Apollo 9 only doing LEO when Apollo 8 had already gone to the moon. However testing the LM in Lunar Orbit makes the mission more risky. It will have to remain to be seen how much risk that NASA decides to take.
 
Good updates. I don't know much about the technicalities of spaceflight so not much else to say other than keep up the good work.
 

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I like the little touch of alternate historiography where it's implied that in TTL, it's disputed whether the Mercury flights 'count' as proper spaceflight. In a TL where the Soviets get to the moon first and therefore effectively get to write the narrative, I wouldn't be surprised if general opinion considers the Geminis to be the 'actual' first American spaceflight missions and only the US itself insists otherwise.
 
I like the little touch of alternate historiography where it's implied that in TTL, it's disputed whether the Mercury flights 'count' as proper spaceflight. In a TL where the Soviets get to the moon first and therefore effectively get to write the narrative, I wouldn't be surprised if general opinion considers the Geminis to be the 'actual' first American spaceflight missions and only the US itself insists otherwise.

Actually, thats pretty much otl. No one but space geeks remembers Allen Shepherd or Scott Carpenter.
 
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