"What Madness Is This?" - A Timeline
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I believe the Napoleon said that England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland are now hell on Earth. Perhaps remnants of the Columbian nations in the Caribbean or government-in-exile.
Didn't you say that there would be a token "good" NUSA general/officer/whatever earlier on the timeline Napo?
This world is slowly turning into Hell itself. To make it darker we would just need Jim Jones or Charles Manson in a key place.
I love the Sabaton!
You're right, that song would fit perfectly. I also think that "Nuclear attack" and "Gott mit uns" would be perfect.I love the Sabaton!
Sooner or later every song of Sabaton would be perfect here
I love the Sabaton!
Yeah, the chorus for A Lifetime of War fits super well:
"Has man gone insane?
A few will remain,
who'll find a way
to live one more day.
Through decades of war,
it spreads like disease.
There's no sign of peace.
Religion and greed cause millions to bleed."
So yeah, this TL is essentially the Thirty Years War with nuclear capabilities. And Draka/Oceana Nazi-Soviet America.
In the Name of God works too.
In Fact is 30 years War religious Fanatism wirh World War 1 and 2 TacticsYeah, the chorus for A Lifetime of War fits super well:
"Has man gone insane?
A few will remain,
who'll find a way
to live one more day.
Through decades of war,
it spreads like disease.
There's no sign of peace.
Religion and greed cause millions to bleed."
So yeah, this TL is essentially the Thirty Years War with nuclear capabilities. And Draka/Oceana Nazi-Soviet America.
In the Name of God works too.
and Cold War Equipment
So more about Peru Have fun
Memories of Rear Admiral Oriundez
It started as a normal day, my flotilla was in patrol, nothing was out of place … then … then suddenly a NUSA Naval group appeared in our radar.
We tried to contact them but they never answered. I don’t care about the crap the NUSA says about this but they were in Peruvian waters and I would be damned if I left them to do what they wanted.
July 4, 1961
The day Peru almost went to war with the NUSA. At 09:35 5 NUSA warships entered Peruvian waters. Unlucky for them the intrusion was detected by the Peruvian destroyer Andes. The Andes was part of a patrol flotilla composed of 1 heavy destroyer, 2 destroyers, 2 destroyer escorts and the Destroyer Leader (a class between destroyers and light cruisers exclusive to Peru) Mapuche.
Here is a transcription of the events from Peruvian Sources (NUSA Sources weren’t disclosed by the NUSA government):
09:45 Rear Admiral Oriundez ordered general quarters in the flotilla as he sees that NUSA ships are getting deeper into Peruvian waters.
10:07 Visual contact was established by Peruvian and NUSA ships (3 Destroyers and 2 Destroyer Escorts), Peruvian ships made a warning for the NUSA ships to get out of Peruvian waters or the Peruvian ships would start shooting.
10:15 without course change of the NUSA ships the Peruvian ships once again gave a message for the NUSA ships to change course or they would be fired upon after 10 minutes.
10:25 the Peruvian Destroyer Atacama opened fire with its 4 130mm guns as soon as it entered gun range. The 4 projectiles missed the NUSA ships.
10:26 the Destroyer Leader Mapuche fired its 8 130mm guns barely missing the NUSA Destroyer Washington at the same time the Destroyer Atahualpa open fire against the NUSA Escort Destroyer Victory also missing its shots.
10:27 the NUSA destroyers Washington and Texas fire upon the Destroyers Atahualpa and Andes which returns fire.
10:28 All ships are engaged in the fight
10:30 the Peruvian Heavy Destroyer Libertad with the Escort Destroyers Iquique and Arica separate from the Main Peruvian Force to encircle the NUSA ships
10:34 The Mapuche hits the NUSA destroyer Texas but it isn’t a critical hit
10:36 The Nusa Destroyer Escort Liberty is hit by shots of the Atacama and the Andes cutting her speed from 30 knots to 10 knots
10:40 The Liberty is hit by torpedoes of the Arica and starts to sink
10:41 The NUSA ships start to escape
10:45 The Mapuche is hit by shots of the Texas and Victory in the forward turrets and in the engines
11:00 All actions are ended
The Incident as it would be known almost ended in a war between the NUSA and the republic of Peru that was only adverted because of mediation of (surprisingly) Russia.
It also affected the NUSA strategy in the Pacific, the discovery of the heavy firepower and armor of the “Destroyer Leaders” as Peru called them almost started a frenzy to build their own equivalents by it was cut down because the niche that it filled in the Peruvian navy wasn’t necessary in the NUSA navy.
It was in the UN were more effects were felt the UN was divided one way Peru almost started a war nobody wanted the other way Peru was just defending itself. At the end the UN supported Peru with the condition of only attack NUSA ships when attacked or after a declaration of war.
Notes:
The Destroyer Leader is a fictional class that I got from Wesworld an online ship sim that is an in-between Destroyers and Light Cruisers and used a leader of destroyer wolf packs
Have funShadows of a Pacific War – A Bloody Incident
Memories of Rear Admiral Oriundez
It started as a normal day, my flotilla was in patrol, nothing was out of place … then … then suddenly a NUSA Naval group appeared in our radar.
We tried to contact them but they never answered. I don’t care about the crap the NUSA says about this but they were in Peruvian waters and I would be damned if I left them to do what they wanted.
July 4, 1961
The day Peru almost went to war with the NUSA. At 09:35 5 NUSA warships entered Peruvian waters. Unlucky for them the intrusion was detected by the Peruvian destroyer Andes. The Andes was part of a patrol flotilla composed of 1 heavy destroyer, 2 destroyers, 2 destroyer escorts and the Destroyer Leader (a class between destroyers and light cruisers exclusive to Peru) Mapuche.
Here is a transcription of the events from Peruvian Sources (NUSA Sources weren’t disclosed by the NUSA government):
09:45 Rear Admiral Oriundez ordered general quarters in the flotilla as he sees that NUSA ships are getting deeper into Peruvian waters.
10:07 Visual contact was established by Peruvian and NUSA ships (3 Destroyers and 2 Destroyer Escorts), Peruvian ships made a warning for the NUSA ships to get out of Peruvian waters or the Peruvian ships would start shooting.
10:15 without course change of the NUSA ships the Peruvian ships once again gave a message for the NUSA ships to change course or they would be fired upon after 10 minutes.
10:25 the Peruvian Destroyer Atacama opened fire with its 4 130mm guns as soon as it entered gun range. The 4 projectiles missed the NUSA ships.
10:26 the Destroyer Leader Mapuche fired its 8 130mm guns barely missing the NUSA Destroyer Washington at the same time the Destroyer Atahualpa open fire against the NUSA Escort Destroyer Victory also missing its shots.
10:27 the NUSA destroyers Washington and Texas fire upon the Destroyers Atahualpa and Andes which returns fire.
10:28 All ships are engaged in the fight
10:30 the Peruvian Heavy Destroyer Libertad with the Escort Destroyers Iquique and Arica separate from the Main Peruvian Force to encircle the NUSA ships
10:34 The Mapuche hits the NUSA destroyer Texas but it isn’t a critical hit
10:36 The Nusa Destroyer Escort Liberty is hit by shots of the Atacama and the Andes cutting her speed from 30 knots to 10 knots
10:40 The Liberty is hit by torpedoes of the Arica and starts to sink
10:41 The NUSA ships start to escape
10:45 The Mapuche is hit by shots of the Texas and Victory in the forward turrets and in the engines
11:00 All actions are ended
The Incident as it would be known almost ended in a war between the NUSA and the republic of Peru that was only adverted because of mediation of (surprisingly) Russia.
It also affected the NUSA strategy in the Pacific, the discovery of the heavy firepower and armor of the “Destroyer Leaders” as Peru called them almost started a frenzy to build their own equivalents by it was cut down because the niche that it filled in the Peruvian navy wasn’t necessary in the NUSA navy.
It was in the UN were more effects were felt the UN was divided one way Peru almost started a war nobody wanted the other way Peru was just defending itself. At the end the UN supported Peru with the condition of only attack NUSA ships when attacked or after a declaration of war.
Notes:
The Destroyer Leader is a fictional class that I got from Wesworld an online ship sim that is an in-between Destroyers and Light Cruisers and used a leader of destroyer wolf packs
It's not....no. Not Johnny Bush, the Comrade-Patriot of Connecticut!
ANOTHER EDIT FOR MY TEDIOUS QUESTIONS: So how is Russia? It's republican, at least: is it still the same backwards hellhole of OTL, or is it somewhat...I hesitate to say progressive; is it livable by OTL standards (which ITTL is now saying a lot)?
Comrade-Patriot Bush, the infamous Ripper of Richmond!
Right now Russia is a superpower republic of the highest order. It's livable right now, as long as you're not a Muslim. Slowly, they're heading back to Tsarism and total dictatorship.
Yay!
Ireland is all basically a lawless Thunderdome. It's just a bunch of rival warlords and generals trying to kill each other for supplies.
Yep, I made a mistake with Wales, and should indeed be independent.
Way too many factions to count. There are probably at least 30 former fascist generals shooting at each other, and innumerable local mayors and tinpot dictators trying to see the English and Scottish people through the apocalyptic scenario they live in.
They'll be more about Britain very soon.M.A.D.ness
The NUSA's Custer-5 Missiles are unveiled at the Pittsburgh Rally Grounds, December, 1961
Following the unveiling of Europe's nuclear bombs, military theorists and armchair generals the world over adopted a new idea called "M.A.D," or Mutually Assured Destruction. The idea was that no one could now go to war with each other thanks to multiple nations having the capability to wipe each other off the map. This opened up a new style of warfare, with the nuclear superpowers pitting non-nuclear, smaller countries against each other. Russia announced its nuclear capabilities in December, 1961, and this is largely considered the beginning of the M.A.D. arms race. Later that same month, Oswald unveiled the Custer-5 Missile, capable of being fired across the Atlantic Ocean and hitting Europe.
Nuclear technology at this point was held by America, the Tripartite Empire, Prussia, and Russia, with the Egyptian Empire and China expressing interest in acquiring nuclear strike capabilities. Even among allies, espionage was common, with an infamous case of an Egyptian spy stealing thousands of pages of nuclear information from Moscow.
The first major crisis in the arms race was in Peru. Following an increased presence of American missiles in South Africa, Prussia and the Empire worked together to place nuclear missiles in Peru. When news of this hit, the Peruvian Missile Crisis began. For three months, the superpowers faced each other down. Rallies filled their capitals, with screaming mobs chanting slogans about the "coming nuclear Armageddon." During a rare appearance before the international community in Sardinia, Oswald slammed his shoe on the table and screamed at the UN leadership, "We will bury you!" Eventually, both sides realized nothing could be done, and they grudgingly accepted the status quo.
Oswald's health was not at all good during this period, be it physical or mental. Plagued by drug-abuse and alcoholism (in part thanks to debilitating pain and an unknown illness). Little did anyone know that the reason Nixon delivered the Comrade-Patriot Act news was because Oswald was in his private hospital at the point of near-death. Oswald eventually recovered from that incident, but he was far from healthy. His mind fried, at any point, there was a chance he would crack and end the world with the push of a button. This actually worked in his favor, as his enemies had no doubt he would take as many people and nations out as he could if he would ever go down.
In the spring of 1962, the Empire of the Two Italies announced its successful detonation of its first nuclear device. The 57 year-old Emperor Massimiliano IV wasdetermined to win respect and fear for his nation, and he made it clear that he, not his cousin Napoleon, was the master and commander of the Two Italies' nuclear arsenal. He installed nuclear missiles in his North African colonies, much to the objection of the United Arab Empire. This eventually led to a major rivalry between the Arabs and Italians, and a major military build-up occurred at the border. On September 3rd, 1962, Italian warships boarded and searched a Russian vessel heading to Cairo. This caused a major international furor and made the Russians and Italians bitter foes. On September 20th, 1962, the Emperor halted all oil exports to TTT-participant nations, and began trying to chase Arabic and Berber peoples from his North African holdings.
Female North African-born Italian soldiers march in a parade celebrating the installation of atomic weapons in Cyrenaica
Nuclear technology at this point was held by America, the Tripartite Empire, Prussia, and Russia, with the Egyptian Empire and China expressing interest in acquiring nuclear strike capabilities. Even among allies, espionage was common, with an infamous case of an Egyptian spy stealing thousands of pages of nuclear information from Moscow.
The first major crisis in the arms race was in Peru. Following an increased presence of American missiles in South Africa, Prussia and the Empire worked together to place nuclear missiles in Peru. When news of this hit, the Peruvian Missile Crisis began. For three months, the superpowers faced each other down. Rallies filled their capitals, with screaming mobs chanting slogans about the "coming nuclear Armageddon." During a rare appearance before the international community in Sardinia, Oswald slammed his shoe on the table and screamed at the UN leadership, "We will bury you!" Eventually, both sides realized nothing could be done, and they grudgingly accepted the status quo.
Oswald's health was not at all good during this period, be it physical or mental. Plagued by drug-abuse and alcoholism (in part thanks to debilitating pain and an unknown illness). Little did anyone know that the reason Nixon delivered the Comrade-Patriot Act news was because Oswald was in his private hospital at the point of near-death. Oswald eventually recovered from that incident, but he was far from healthy. His mind fried, at any point, there was a chance he would crack and end the world with the push of a button. This actually worked in his favor, as his enemies had no doubt he would take as many people and nations out as he could if he would ever go down.
In the spring of 1962, the Empire of the Two Italies announced its successful detonation of its first nuclear device. The 57 year-old Emperor Massimiliano IV wasdetermined to win respect and fear for his nation, and he made it clear that he, not his cousin Napoleon, was the master and commander of the Two Italies' nuclear arsenal. He installed nuclear missiles in his North African colonies, much to the objection of the United Arab Empire. This eventually led to a major rivalry between the Arabs and Italians, and a major military build-up occurred at the border. On September 3rd, 1962, Italian warships boarded and searched a Russian vessel heading to Cairo. This caused a major international furor and made the Russians and Italians bitter foes. On September 20th, 1962, the Emperor halted all oil exports to TTT-participant nations, and began trying to chase Arabic and Berber peoples from his North African holdings.
Female North African-born Italian soldiers march in a parade celebrating the installation of atomic weapons in Cyrenaica
Meanwhile, Sweden was on the path to nuclear weapons. But with a economy still recovering from the last war, it was lagging behind the rest of Europe. Finally, on October 1st, 1963, the aging King Gustaf VI Adolf announced the successful test of the Nord-10, the Kingdom's first atomic bomb. Egypt finally announced its nuclear capabilities on November 20th, 1963, even though it has secretly been armed since early that year.
Virtually every major state in the world, with the exception of China, possessed a nuclear arsenal by this point, and every single one of them was absolutely prepared to use them if the worst-case scenario should become reality. The world had gone M.A.D....
Virtually every major state in the world, with the exception of China, possessed a nuclear arsenal by this point, and every single one of them was absolutely prepared to use them if the worst-case scenario should become reality. The world had gone M.A.D....
"WE COME IN PEACE"
THE AMERICAN MISSION IN GREAT BRITAIN: PART ONE
1962 - 1963
THE AMERICAN MISSION IN GREAT BRITAIN: PART ONE
1962 - 1963
In late 1962, President Oswald's military advisers and Nixon and King suggested it would be a wise move to conduct "a few small missions" in the formerly-fascist British Isles. Since the apocalyptic war on the Isles in the 1950s, only Wales was anything close to a stable nation. Even after most of Europe finally started vaccinations against the Scottish Flu, it still ravaged the Isles. Local warlords had set up in most of the large cities, and fascist Churchillian holdouts still controlled London and Glasgow and Edinburgh. Smaller towns and hamlets and practically reverted back to the Middle Ages, with tinpot dictator-mayors setting themselves up purely by force and violence. Ireland was barely even inhabitable, and so cooked by chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons that over half the island was practically abandoned. The battlefields of the 1950s still remained in many areas, with the weapons, barbed wire, wreckage, and trenches still set up right where they were when they were abandoned almost eight years before.
The United Nations sent expeditionary forces and a few brave clean-up crews to Ireland to try and fix things up a bit, but they mostly failed in those efforts. Seeing the time was ripe to make Europe sweat even more, the New United States announced its new "peacekeeping mission to the British Isles" on Christmas Eve, 1962. One month later, American troops were touching down in northern Scotland. What followed would be a prolonged, violent, and swiftly-escalating conflict that would get far more out of hand than Oswald and his advisers could ever have imagined.
The ruins of old Fort Scotia were turned into Camp Baker. Dundee, or the husk of it, became the strangely-named Camp Delta Bravo. These "camps" were essentially cities set up by the American military. Tens of thousands of refugees poured in, getting vaccinated and fed proper food and getting a free place to stay. But things were not all peaceful by any means. Catholics and those deemed Inferiors were often shot on site or in mass executions. ORRA reeducation camps, functioning under separate leadership from Goldstein's North American institutions, was under the command of war hero Augustus Octavius Romney, a descendant of Charles Goodyear's nemesis at the World Congress, Miles Romney of Massachusetts. Romney was absolutely brutal and ruthless, and was frequently in cahoots with his close friend Nixon. Eventually Romney took control of a large amount of the operations in Britain by the entire American military, not just ORRA.
Augustus O. Romney in a meeting with Richard Nixon at Camp Baker, circa early 1963
By the spring of 1963, lower Scotland was a war zone, divided between the Americans and their sympathizers to the north and local warlords and terrorists to the south. Following bloody battles at Hawick and Dumfries, the American forces' total casualties amounted to more than 20,000. The bloodbath unfolding in Scotland shocked the world, as the mighty Manifest Destiny war machine failed to be able to control some untrained militias armed with outdated equipment. To make matters worse, the Syndicate had established footholds in Scotland, and it called upon the anarchists and Beutelists of the world to strike "deadly blows" upon the Americans war effort. Terrorists blew up several Treasury buildings in New York and Pennsylvania during the July of 1963, claiming they were doing it as revenge for the invasion of Scotland. Camp Baker was subject to a major suicide bombing on August 3rd, when a lone anarchist detonated a bomb at an Army fuel depot, killing over 300 American soldiers and 50 workers.
The American public was horrified and outraged, and Oswald stepped up his game. Huge bombing runs leveled entire villages as part of "Phase 2" of the "peacekeeping" mission. Romney gassed over 3000 suspected anarchists to death in Glasgow in late August. In November, American helicopters flew over a Syndicate-funded refugee camp in the hills near Carlisle and destroyed the entire compound with missiles and heavy machine guns, massacring over 200 medical staff and 7000 refugees. "Patriot's Fire," a sticky substance that burned like the fires of Hell, was also used during the massacre.
The Syndicate Refugee Camp is bombed with Patriot's Fire
A member of the 19th ORRA Mechanized Unit ("Hellfire Brigade") uses a Patriot's Fire gun in Scotland, circa late 1963 (it could be fired from a gun in small amounts or dropped in a bomb by aircraft for mass destruction)
The United Nations sent expeditionary forces and a few brave clean-up crews to Ireland to try and fix things up a bit, but they mostly failed in those efforts. Seeing the time was ripe to make Europe sweat even more, the New United States announced its new "peacekeeping mission to the British Isles" on Christmas Eve, 1962. One month later, American troops were touching down in northern Scotland. What followed would be a prolonged, violent, and swiftly-escalating conflict that would get far more out of hand than Oswald and his advisers could ever have imagined.
The ruins of old Fort Scotia were turned into Camp Baker. Dundee, or the husk of it, became the strangely-named Camp Delta Bravo. These "camps" were essentially cities set up by the American military. Tens of thousands of refugees poured in, getting vaccinated and fed proper food and getting a free place to stay. But things were not all peaceful by any means. Catholics and those deemed Inferiors were often shot on site or in mass executions. ORRA reeducation camps, functioning under separate leadership from Goldstein's North American institutions, was under the command of war hero Augustus Octavius Romney, a descendant of Charles Goodyear's nemesis at the World Congress, Miles Romney of Massachusetts. Romney was absolutely brutal and ruthless, and was frequently in cahoots with his close friend Nixon. Eventually Romney took control of a large amount of the operations in Britain by the entire American military, not just ORRA.
Augustus O. Romney in a meeting with Richard Nixon at Camp Baker, circa early 1963
The American public was horrified and outraged, and Oswald stepped up his game. Huge bombing runs leveled entire villages as part of "Phase 2" of the "peacekeeping" mission. Romney gassed over 3000 suspected anarchists to death in Glasgow in late August. In November, American helicopters flew over a Syndicate-funded refugee camp in the hills near Carlisle and destroyed the entire compound with missiles and heavy machine guns, massacring over 200 medical staff and 7000 refugees. "Patriot's Fire," a sticky substance that burned like the fires of Hell, was also used during the massacre.
The Syndicate Refugee Camp is bombed with Patriot's Fire
A member of the 19th ORRA Mechanized Unit ("Hellfire Brigade") uses a Patriot's Fire gun in Scotland, circa late 1963 (it could be fired from a gun in small amounts or dropped in a bomb by aircraft for mass destruction)
By late 1963, American control over Scotland was solidifying, but guerrillas and anarchists were still a major threat. Thousands of American boys were fighting and dying in the moors and glens in what could only be called a total invasion and campaign of terror. By that point, "peacekeeping" was the last thing on President Oswald's mind. Instead, he wanted total occupation and rebuilding of Scotland and England... as part of the United States.
Worst part is, by this stage people are gonna start welcoming Nice Uncle Sam with welcome arms...he brings SPAM and the word of the Lord, as well as promises of revenge against the French
On the "bright" side, it looks like any religious conflict in Ireland is about to be settled quite decisively...wonder how many Protestants (or anyone: there goes another branch of my family) are left to resettle?
How's NUSA's loyal (excluding, that is, Columbia, Colombia, California, Canada, Brazil-Rio) population, in terms of size and such? Must be fair militarised to keep up occupation/reign-of-terror patrols.
On the "bright" side, it looks like any religious conflict in Ireland is about to be settled quite decisively...wonder how many Protestants (or anyone: there goes another branch of my family) are left to resettle?
How's NUSA's loyal (excluding, that is, Columbia, Colombia, California, Canada, Brazil-Rio) population, in terms of size and such? Must be fair militarised to keep up occupation/reign-of-terror patrols.
Tprynn
Banned
*starts humming the Oceania national anthem*
Little bit surprised that NUSA didn't attempt to annex Ireland in their english adventure. I can understand them not wanting to deal with a nation full of inferior Paddy's but when has but when has that ever stopped them before?
Maybe we'll get lucky and become a Prussian colony
Little bit surprised that NUSA didn't attempt to annex Ireland in their english adventure. I can understand them not wanting to deal with a nation full of inferior Paddy's but when has but when has that ever stopped them before?
Maybe we'll get lucky and become a Prussian colony
*starts humming the Oceania national anthem*
Little bit surprised that NUSA didn't attempt to annex Ireland in their english adventure. I can understand them not wanting to deal with a nation full of inferior Paddy's but when has but when has that ever stopped them before?
Maybe we'll get lucky and become a Prussian colony
Knowing NUSA, they'll probably just glass the island of Ireland and rename it Airstrip Two
With Scotland becoming pacified, how long till America builds a few ICBM bases there? It's a good bet they will try and do it eventually.
Why i have the feeling that the endgame will be a world map similar to a certain work of Orwell?