The Land of Sad Songs – Stories From Protect and Survive Finland

Good updates DrakonFin, did the cabinet manage to get out of the bunker under Helsinki then? That would explain their pitiful state.

What is left of the cabinet, yes. The pre-war Minister of Foreign Affairs, a couple of other less important ministers and a few (civilian and military) aides. Some members of the security detail.

The good Commander is not exaggarating their difficulties in reaching Camp Nr. 7, the first actual manifestation of functioning provincial/state level authority in Southern Finland they have seen since the exchange.
 
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XXVI. A Keeper of the Scrolls


Interview nr. 1, 26.09.2007. JSH.
Subject: Man, 53 (M1)
Occupation in 1984: Civil Engineer
Location: [REDACTED], Central FNA.



[The subject is the official FNA liaison for the Minne 1984 project. He is the man to go through for access in the FNA archives or travel permits to the restricted areas, etc. He is dressed in a clean, crisp uniform of the pre-war Finnish Defence Forces model. His clean-cut appearance stands in stark contrast to the general shabbiness of ordinary Finnish military personnel. For the purpose of this interview we shall call him Major N.]

[Major, thank you for joining us for this interview. We are recording this for the benefit of future researchers. If you don't mind?]

Sure, go ahead. But I need to hear the tape after the interview is over, to avoid any misunderstandings.

[Noted. My name is Jan Holmén and I am the project secretary for Minne 1984. It is good to meet you, Major.]

Likewise, Mr. Holmén. This is an ambitious project.


[That it is. So, Major, could you please tell us what is your position and what you do for a living?]

Certainly. I am a military officer serving with the State Information Office [1]. My job is to provide the people with accurate information about the workings of the government and to keep the several foreign governments notified about Finnish issues.


[So basically you are a spokesperson for the Finnish National Administration?]

I represent the Government of the Republic of Finland.


[And any official information about the government will go through you?]

Me and my colleagues at the SIO.


[Does that mean you decide, for example, what the YLE can say?]

I think that is going to far. The YLE is an independent state organisation, and our work is purely supervisory. But we are responsible for national security and the accuracy of any information given out.


[You have been assigned as your government's liaison for the Minne 1984 project. What are your thoughts on that?]

I am happy to help, of course. It is good that the wartime conditions are recorded for posterity, and the Finnish government doesn't at the present time have the resources you do for an effort of this magnitude. The results of this project will be of great value for the Finnish authorities and future researchers. It is also the firm belief of the SIO that we can help the project by furnishing you with the needed official documents from our archives, as well as by correcting any distorted or factually incorrect information you may receive through your research.


[That is good to hear, Major. I understand that Finnish schools do tell the children about the war and the aftermath?]

It is included in the curriculum, naturally. The folly of the superpowers, the war and the nuclear exchange, the crisis caused by this all in Finland, the actions of the government and the Reconstruction. But our schools today are very... shall we say utilitarian and the curriculum is based on acquiring the vocational and organisational skills required from the citizen. You have to remember that over here the Reconstruction is far from being over.


[I've seen it on your posters. ”All Hands are Needed for Reconstruction and Recovery ”.]

Exactly. This nation looks forward, not backward. That is not to say history is not important. It is. But this is not a time for idle reflection, not in this country.


[And then there are the ones that say”You Will Build the Future of the Fatherland!”]

I see you have kept your eyes open. The mark of a researcher. Good for you. You understand that ours is the task of upholding morale, too.


[I am looking forward working with you. I was told we will have an access to your archives here at the FNA capital?]

We call it the temporary administrative capital of the Republic. Some parts of the archives will be open to you and your researchers directly. I hope you understand that national security requires that for some materials you will have to go through the official channels. Deliver all requests to my office and we will deal with them on a case by case basis.


[Right. That is not exactly what I had in mind when I talked about this with the higher-ups.]

I am sorry if you see it that way. But it is the best I can do. I have higher-ups too you know.


[When you say ”higher-ups”, do you mean the military or the civilian authorities?]

Both. You'll find that the distinction is not exactly relevant here. We are citizen soldiers, a republic in arms. We would not have survived without this, you understand?


[Well, I've seen a lot of uniforms around. At least here in the east.]

You would see them in the north, too. The west is a bit... different. The destruction there was less pronounced, and of course your government has helped those areas in significant ways.


[Her Majesty's government has has helped all of Finland in a very real way.]

Well, yes, and we are very grateful for the help. I want to be clear about that. But there certainly is a difference between the west and the rest of the country. That can't be denied.


[Speaking of the different parts of the country, how should we go about if we want to visit the areas outside what you call the White Zone?]

Again, submit your plans to our office. Visits to areas deemed safe will by allowed with escort. I will also keep you posted with the activities undertaken by the general-purpose reconnaissance and recovery teams. Your researchers might be able to tag along, as it were, depending on their gear and competences, of course. One point, though. Any air assets will have to be provided by your own military. That is something I am not able to help you with.


[Right. And this applies also to Ostrob... I mean in the Vaasa province and generally the area under the Western Command?]

Oh yes. If we find out that you are operating in the restricted areas there without a proper permit, it might hurt your chances in gaining said permits for the other parts of the country.


[I see. By the way, if you don't mind, I understand that you too are old enough to have recollections from 1984. Would you be willing to talk about your personal experiences with us, too?]

[Looks taken aback] I will have to return to you on that, Mr. Holmén. It might have a negative effect on our professional cooperation. Even if I agreed to speak to you, I would have to insist on anonymity.


[That is a given, Major. Do think about it.]

I am not promising anything.


Notes:

[1] Valtiollinen tietotoimisto or Statens Informationbyrå.


[filler]
 
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Not unreasonable to see a 'they have it so much better than us' feeling being very prevalent considering how "light" Sweden was hit. It's there today (not much but still...) and the difference between SWE-FIN isn't exactly great nowadays. Add a bit of paranoia about Swedes making a post-exchange play for some of the western parts of Finland and the animosity could grow a fair bit over time. I doubt Sweden would really want the extra burden, even two decades since the exchange, but that doesn't mean higher ups or key administrators within Finland wouldn't be brooding over the possibility. After all, they would have first hand info on just how wide the gap is between western and eastern/northern parts (assuming that it's fairly wide).

Nice writing again, really liked the Major's d---ish attitude. So, is the government sticking military ranks on all of their officials or is the SIO a part of the actual military? (I'm not quite sure how you meant to translate SIO, did you mean something like this or am I just revealing my lack of knowledge about my home country :eek:)
 
Thank you for writing this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are welcome.:)


Archangel said:
TTL present Finland is quite militarized, and clearly has a lot to recover.

Yes. The military authorities in the FNA want to give out a picture of an orderly, recovering nation. They do this by emphasizing the republican-militant nature of their organisation and the unity of the areas they control. Their representation of this post-nuclear Republic of Finland is on one hand contradictory in itself and on the other not really true. In truth, in many ways Major N. is not to be trusted.


Urpå said:
I doubt Sweden would really want the extra burden, even two decades since the exchange, but that doesn't mean higher ups or key administrators within Finland wouldn't be brooding over the possibility. After all, they would have first hand info on just how wide the gap is between western and eastern/northern parts (assuming that it's fairly wide).

In fact the very point of the Swedish policy towards Finland is to avoid the survivors in the area of the pre-war Republic of Finland to become an undue burden to Sweden. And that means that the Swedish state has to both work with Finnish authorities and to try to control them in some ways. Some of the process will be explained later. For now, I'll just say that Gothenburg and Mikkeli are not the only players in the game.

There is clear hostility against Sweden in Eastern Finland, but like with the good Major, it is is mixed with a certain amount of gratitude. Finns are good with grudges... Some will be evident in the interviews and fragments; but also some indications of this attitude might have been edited out by the project staff.:)

Urpå said:
Nice writing again, really liked the Major's d---ish attitude. So, is the government sticking military ranks on all of their officials or is the SIO a part of the actual military? (I'm not quite sure how you meant to translate SIO, did you mean something like this or am I just revealing my lack of knowledge about my home country )

It is pretty much just that, with some elements of the OTL STT. You'll notice that the names and designations for the different FNA entities in Finnish might be all over the place: that is a part of my attempt to illustrate the cobbled-together nature of the Mikkeli government and the FNA state in general. It is after all an organisation built essentially from scratch in harsh conditions by people with various levels of knowledge about the pre-war Finnish state institutions. Something of a simulacrum, really.
 
A reply to an old post, I know, but I'm really interested in getting an answer.

Watching it now. I understand its a short movie about a hypothetical invasion of the country (my rusty Finnish helps here and there), but I can't find more info on it. IMDB link, please ?

Doesn't have one. Its an FDF propaganda piece from the 1990s/early 2000s.
More recent examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6FjJYcEj_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znw5hZamqy8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPgceb9PuW0

Sorry for the off-topic. Now, more post-nuclear dystopia please :D
 
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Doesn't have one. Its an FDF propaganda piece from the 1990s/early 2000s.:D

Yeah, I figured its an "look how awesome the Finnish armed forces are, wanna join ?!" piece. :p :)


Incidentally, I've finally started working on updating some of the P&S related stuff on the wiki, including the spinoffs. The Land of Sad Songs now has its own proper page, along with a helpful list of all chapters posted so far :
http://wiki.alternatehistory.com/doku.php/timelines/the_land_of_sad_songs

The rest of the spinoffs will gradually get the same treatment.
 
He steals a machine

He is judged

Judged and taken to jail

Under the guard's eyes so grey

He turns into a machine himself

It is said

”Justice has prevailed again”


He murders a man

He is judged

Judged and taken to jail

Under the guard's eyes so sad

He turns into a corpse himself

It is said

”Justice has prevailed again”


(Chorus)

(Justice has) justice has prevailed again

An eye for an eye and peace on Earth

(Justice has) justice has prevailed again

On a way to a lifeless world

...


Hassisen Kone: Oikeus on voittanut taas (1981)




XXVII. On a Way to a Lifeless World


...still is a subject of some controversy in the PPO and the FNA, though such plans were also taken into use by other remnant governments in Europe. The idea of prescribing a better-preserved area as a sort of a national redoubt and forsaking the more damaged territories pretty much entirely would have horrified many pre-war politicians, but in the post-Exchange conditions in Finland it was a dire necessity. As the Finnish Emergency Cabinet was struggling to rebuild even a rudimentary state apparatus, communications, food distribution and medical services, the northern and southern parts of the country were originally left outside of the plans for the near and intermediate future. In the north this meant the whole of the province of Lapland. In the south, the province of Uusimaa entirely and the southern parts of the Kymi, Häme and Turku and Pori provinces. The decision was prompted by what limited information the cabinet had about the nuclear explosions, about severed roads and railways and about which areas it had been able to get in touch with by radio. More information was received over time from surviving Air Force units that could send a handful of aircraft on reconnaissance flights over some parts of the country, including light transport planes, light trainers but also a few fighters such as a MiG-21, and a Draken.

These areas were in effect left to fend for themselves for an extended period of time, the surviving municipal and provincial officials remaining the highest available authority. All military units the cabinet's new General Staff was in contact with were withdrawn from these areas, if possible and having the means, to defend this national redoubt from all external and internal threats. This included not only the Red Army remnant in Southeastern Finland or any possibly subversive or criminal elements, but also a big part of the stricken but peaceful populace that was turning from an asset to a liability while the resources of the authorities were stretched towards breaking point.

Under pre-war legislation dating from 1972, the capital punishment was not to be taken into use even during a state of war. In the first two months after the exhange that presented a problem for enforcing martial law. Officially those who were, for example, found guilty of acting against state authority or looting were given an indefinite sentence of hard labour. In reality, however, the worst offenders would often get shot while attempting to escape or assaulting an officer of the law (now extended to military and Civil Defence personnel). After a period of uncertainty, the rump Parliament in Seinäjoki officially (though controversially) reinstated the capital punishment in April, partly prompted by a deadly attack against itself when a reserve military officer subscribing to far-right views shot two SDP parliamentarians near the Seinäjoki market square.[1] It had been 40 years since the last lawful execution in Finland.

While originally military checkpoints and refugee camps were formed only as parts of the perimeters set up around the different blast areas to help the evacuees, the inadequacy of the existing medical organisations to treat even a considerable part of those affected by the nuclear explosions and follow-up effects soon became apparent to local and provincial authorities. By April 1984 various military units deemed functional enough were ordered to establish a system of ”transit camps” along the major roadways to southern Finland to filter the refugees passing through, separating the desired from the undesired, in an effort to preserve trained medical personnel and supplies only for those who had a reasonable chance of survival – on the main, only those deemed healthy enough (often due to spurious criteria) would be allowed to reach the areas directly unaffected by the nuclear explosions. The process was much less pronounced in the north – but then even the potential number of refugees from Lapland would have been negligible.

The field hospitals attached to the transit camps (as well as the camps themselves) saw some of the most horrible conditions in post-Exchange Finland. Food as well as medical help was often nonexistent and those forced to stay suffered from 50% to 95% mortality. It has to be noted, however, that most of the people on the camps suffered from radiation sickness of varying stages, different mechanical injuries, various diseases and even malnutrition upon arrival and even in the most well-off areas under the Emergency Cabinet could not have received life-saving medical help. Allegedly, large-scale refusals to remain at camp resulted in breakouts which saw a bloody end when the military restored order swiftly and brutally. It has been estimated that desertion rates among the units in charge of maintaining the Line were especially high.[2]

That wartime regulations were still in order and that the military could be used to enforce them following orders from State and Provincial officials was being continually proclaimed by the YLE broadcasts and in posters put out by officials that were in contact with the new national leadership. The reformed Ministry of the Interior was behind this campaign to reassert state authority. That the state would have the monopoly of violence and that this would be made known was agreed among the members of the new cabinet. Anarchy would and could not be tolerated inside the Line. Outside it, chaos often reigned. But that wasn't something the tired, harried and often sick men and women sitting in Mikkeli or Seinäjoki could do anything about under the circumstances.

In some ways of course the Line and trying to maintain order and uphold the rule of law were just means to an end: the survival of the state and at least a part of the people. Where this is most evident is that first of all military and civilian authorities were during the first months after the exchange most worried about food, medicine and communications. If organised military or armed Civil Defence units were seen on the move on the snowbound roadways inside the Line, in tractor-drawn convoys, on various motor vehicles with snowploughs or even on skis, they were most likely on their way to take control of warehouses and shops, to set up food distribution or to open up vital roads for traffic. Road maintenance crews formerly under the aegis of the Roads and Waterways Works Authority[3] were very important for maintaining even the major roadways for traffic under the conditions. Due to their increased value and coming into contact with looters, deserters and bandits they were bolstered by police officers, soldiers or military police to form armed road patrols.

While some parts of the country remained unreachable by any means short of using the few Air Force and Border Guard helicopters that were still in a working condition[4], in the west and the east parts of the railway network were theoretically usable. In late March the Emergency Cabinet initiated an early effort to restart railway traffic in some places. Because the national electrical grid was mainly still down, the first trains to run would use the surviving Dv and Dr series diesel locomotives – as long as the fuel stockpiles would allow it. Restarting the traffic proved very slow, as it met several obstacles, including the need to clear several weeks' worth of snowfall (and ice that had formed during that time) from all otherwise usable tracks and switches, different mechanical troubles that were due to the cold weather and extended disuse of equipment and the dearth of technically proficient engineers and other railway personnel.

And that is not taking into account the long stretches of track rendered unusable by nearby nuclear explosions, shockwaves and firestorms. Some of the first locomotives to leave the surviving railway hub of Pieksämäki in Eastern Finland, equipped with heavy snowploughs and cranes, were pulling passenger and goods carriages full of military conscripts or civilians in work duty wielding chainsaws, hacksaws, axes and shovels on their way to open blocked parts of track running to the west or the north. Very soon, though, such efforts were deemed ineffective when several days of work trying to open the tracks near the Kuopio blast area yielded no concrete results and only caused the men working at the site to become sick with radiation poisoning, other (often related) ailments or exposure to the cold. More often than not clearing of the tracks would have to be left to the summer. In the end, for example the line running across central Finland to Ostrobothnia would be partially opened in 1985 when the State Railways was already starting to bring old steam locomotives back into use.[5]

The communications between the two main centres of civilian authority were maintained for the while by radio. Later when possible (and deemed necessary) light transport or military trainer aircraft were used, flying from the Mikkeli airport to the Seinäjoki airport (Ilmajoki). One of the remaining light military transports, a Piper PA-28, was used to send a small delegation from Seinäjoki to Sweden on a mission for help in April. The transport plane was chosen deliberately as one of the least ”military” aircraft available not to cause alarm in the Swedish. The problems with the availability of fuel and spare parts would mean that while the only partly damaged air base and Air Force Technical School in Halli (Jämsä) and the surviving road bases had a fair number of untouched aircraft of different types, keeping even a part of them flying would prove a major challenge in the future.

One indication of the de facto division of Finland into different areas with most communication cut between them was the reorganisation of the military into four streamlined ”Defence Areas” during 1984: the Eastern, headquartered in Mikkeli, the Western (Seinäjoki), the Northern (Kajaani) and the Southern (Lahti). While neat and logical on paper, the reorganisation was mostly due to accepting both that the first three of the HQ towns had managed to remain orderly centres for civilian and/or military authority and that they were in communication with the Cabinet. The Southern DA was, at first, mainly a theoretical formation as the areas placed under its authority were mostly either outside of the Line or actually under occupation by the remaining organised Soviet formations in Southeastern Finland. The Southern DA would become relevant only with the renewed hostilities with the Soviet troops in the spring, and then only as a support organisation. All Defence Areas, in turn, were theoretically under the new General Staff, though in reality both the Western and the Northern DA would work quite independently from Mikkeli for 1984 and into the following...



Notes:

[1] The assassin himself was shot and killed on the spot by regular police officers. Apparently the man had been convinced that the Soviet Union had already taken over Finland and that the parliamentarians were traitorous members of its secret puppet government.

[2] A lot of what has been written about the Line and the camps during Minne 1984 is unfortunately based on conjecture and unverified accounts. Very few members of camp personnel have allowed themselves to be interviewed during the project. Additionally, FNA records about this issue remain incomplete, apparently misfiled and often classified.

[3] Tie ja vesirakennuslaitos (TVL) or Väg- och Vattenbyggnadsverket VVV).[/FONT]

[4] But it took some time before it became known that they, in fact, existed. The helicopters in question were two Mil Mi-8s in Säkylä and two AB 206s in Kajaani.

[5] These locomotives had been stockpiled at the Lievestuore train yard pre-war and would be converted to wood-fired to allow the use of domestic resources.
 
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Yes! Very happy to this live. Fabulous update Drako I salute you, you magnificant Finnish bastard.

Its rather ironic for me, this update, if this were all true I'd get to see what I've always wanted to see. Real working steam locomotives on a main line... in circumstances that would have had me weeping for mankind.
 
I've been listening to this while reading. Quite atmospheric.

The situation is very bleak, but once the massive die-off of the first two or so months ends and the less lucky victims are buried, the situation will slowly start stabilizing again. The future problems with resources, bandits and the remaining Soviet troops will remain a dark prospect for quite a bit longer. :(

Well, at least there's enough wood in the largest untouched area to fuel the steam locomotives for years to come. :) And with some self-discipline in the local forestry, I could see the local wood staying a viable resource for a long time.

BTW, where did all those fighters and recon/transport planes land ? Is there a reasonably big airbase preserved in that part of the country ?

P.S. I've updated the chapter guide with this latest entry.
 
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[5] These locomotives had been stockpiled at the Lievestuore train yard pre-war and would be converted to wood-fired to allow the use of domestic resources.

Thanks for yet another entertaining update!

As a minor nitpick I would say that restoring locomotives into traffic is a pipe dream even in a post-apocalyptic world. There's more than enough diesel locomotives available which are more reliable and efficient. The amount of fuel needed is rather minor and could be produced in remaining pulp factories if biofuels would be required.
 
I've been listening to this while reading. Quite atmospheric.

Indeed.

Well, at least there's enough wood in the largest untouched area to fuel the steam locomotives for years to come. :) And with some self-discipline in the local forestry, I could see the local wood staying a viable resource for a long time.

That is what I believe the surviving Finnish authorities would be thinking. Given that they don't know how the rest of Europe and the world is faring and are pretty much dependent on the Swedish in foreign trade and news about the world in general, at least for the near future, there would be a lot of pull towards using domestic resources as a backup option.

BTW, where did all those fighters and recon/transport planes land ? Is there a reasonably big airbase preserved in that part of the country ?

The Finnish Air Force plans were based on dispersing aircraft, especially the fighters, to roadbases and smaller airfields in the case of war. While ITTL most major airbases (Rovaniemi, Kuopio, Tampere-Pirkkala, Jyväskylä, Kauhava and Utti) have been lost, most of the "Class 2" bases built on stretches of highway and smaller civilian fields during the mobilization have survived, even if some were attacked by Soviet aircraft. There are a few small bases in all parts of the country, Tervo near Kuopio (as depicted in a few updates) being one of them. Post-Exchange, they have a motley collection of planes sitting around their runways, caused by the confusion created by the sudden Soviet attack, the wholesale evacuation of Lapland (including most of the Lapland Air Command), and the conventional attacks against the main bases that saw even more planes dispersed in a hurry, and possibly some planes landing at the time of the exchange after losing their home fields. But these bases have quite limited fuel reserves and capabilities for maintenance, having lost most of their support organisations with the main bases.

Halli in Central Finland, between Jyväskylä and Tampere, is the last remaining major Finnish Air Force base. It is actually a miracle it wasn't nuked. This is a place where a lot of the air force technical staff was trained at the time and where the FAF tested its new planes. It is connected with the Valmet airplane factory that in early 80s was building both Vinka trainers and BAe Hawks here. Like I wrote previously, Halli was a target of conventional air attacks, so there is at least some damage there. But it is nevertheless a highly valuable asset in both military and technical terms for any Finnish authority in charge of it.

P.S. I've updated the chapter guide with this latest entry.

Thank you!


Luath said:
Yes! Very happy to this live. Fabulous update Drako I salute you, you magnificant Finnish bastard.

Jukra said:
Thanks for yet another entertaining update!

Thank you for tagging along. I intend to put up at least one, possibly two more updates tomorrow.


Luath said:
Its rather ironic for me, this update, if this were all true I'd get to see what I've always wanted to see. Real working steam locomotives on a main line... in circumstances that would have had me weeping for mankind.

Jukra said:
As a minor nitpick I would say that restoring locomotives into traffic is a pipe dream even in a post-apocalyptic world. There's more than enough diesel locomotives available which are more reliable and efficient. The amount of fuel needed is rather minor and could be produced in remaining pulp factories if biofuels would be required.

Even if taking steam locomotives back into use might be a mistake, I believe it would have been what the authorities would have done under the circumstances. There was an existing emergency reserve of 174 steam locos in 1983, of the Vr1, Tk3, Tr1 and Hr1 series. A major part of them was at Lievestuore, even if only a part of those would be in a good enough condition to be usable without major repairs.

IOTL, the Defence Forces scrapped a lot of the reserve beginning in 1984 but in the event it was still a part of the emergency plans and someone would have seen the utility of repairing at least a small number of these machines as a backup option. A lot of diesel locos have also been lost or are stuck in isolated parts of the railway network. There is also a lot of projected demand for all remaining (and accessible) stockpiled liquid fuels and no way to know when stocks can be properly replenished.
 
" were pulling passenger and goods carriages full of military conscripts or civilians in work duty wielding chainsaws, hacksaws, axes and shovels on their way to open blocked parts of track running to the west or the north.

What was the system for manning the work crews. Was it all volunteer or was there some forced conscription.
 
Halli in Central Finland, between Jyväskylä and Tampere, is the last remaining major Finnish Air Force base. It is actually a miracle it wasn't nuked. This is a place where a lot of the air force technical staff was trained at the time and where the FAF tested its new planes. It is connected with the Valmet airplane factory that in early 80s was building both Vinka trainers and BAe Hawks here. Like I wrote previously, Halli was a target of conventional air attacks, so there is at least some damage there. But it is nevertheless a highly valuable asset in both military and technical terms for any Finnish authority in charge of it.

Good to know.

One more question : Does the Finland of 2008 have any working planes left, whether new or old ? Bit of a spoiler, I know, but I'm just interested. ;)
 
Even if taking steam locomotives back into use might be a mistake, I believe it would have been what the authorities would have done under the circumstances. There was an existing emergency reserve of 174 steam locos in 1983, of the Vr1, Tk3, Tr1 and Hr1 series. A major part of them was at Lievestuore, even if only a part of those would be in a good enough condition to be usable without major repairs.

Finnish steam locomotive reserve was not based upon operational locomotives (like in Sweden, where they were maintained in pristine condition). In Finland the locomotives which were stored had been used till end of their useful life. Thus the activation would require basic rebuilding of locomotives.

In early 1980's the activation process was tried and was found out to require extensive repairs in maintenance yard. In post-nuclear environment where access to spare part metals etc. required would be extremely difficult I think the whole project would be doomed from the start.

But of course we're talking about 1980's Finland where in OTL a new 100mm anti-tank gun was developed for the Defense Forces. Thus anything is possible. If it's more absurd, it's perhaps even more likely.
 
What was the system for manning the work crews. Was it all volunteer or was there some forced conscription.

It was based on wartime work duty requirements: under the provisions in force at the time, even a local military commander would be within his rights to order civilians (as well as soldiers) into such work that directly serves the needs of companies taken under military control or the troops themselves, in an area of military operations, for up to several weeks if need be. Given the conditions, the State Railways is under military control and all of Finland is considered an area of military operations. Also, the orders for these efforts would come directly from the highest civilian and military authorities, such as they are.


Petike said:
One more question : Does the Finland of 2008 have any working planes left, whether new or old ? Bit of a spoiler, I know, but I'm just interested. ;)

I am sure it would have some working planes left. While upkeep would be harder, they would also be most likely used less than IOTL. Going by the most likely, meaning comparatively new and available in greatest numbers in 1983, they could be, say, Hawks, Mig-21s, Drakens or Vinkas. If worst comes to worst, some planes of these models could be kept flying by cannibalising parts from others. The light and medium transports, available in smaller numbers, might see more use in the years and decades after the Exchange and the few Piper P-28s, Cessna 402s and Fokker F.27s would have likely been used up by 2008. For something really surprising, there might be some pretty old specimens still left, like a Fouga Magister (available still in 1983 in large numbers), a Saab 91 Safir or even a bloody Mig-15 (one was held by the small aviation museum near Halli that was already in existence in 1983). And that is not taking into account the possible oddball examples the Air Force might have appropriated from civilian owners during the mobilization.;)


Jukra said:
Finnish steam locomotive reserve was not based upon operational locomotives (like in Sweden, where they were maintained in pristine condition). In Finland the locomotives which were stored had been used till end of their useful life. Thus the activation would require basic rebuilding of locomotives.

In early 1980's the activation process was tried and was found out to require extensive repairs in maintenance yard. In post-nuclear environment where access to spare part metals etc. required would be extremely difficult I think the whole project would be doomed from the start.

But of course we're talking about 1980's Finland where in OTL a new 100mm anti-tank gun was developed for the Defense Forces. Thus anything is possible. If it's more absurd, it's perhaps even more likely.

Quite so. I am not saying re-introducing steam locomotives would be easy, or even ultimately necessary, just that I think the powers that be would be likely to try it.:)
 
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