Hello everybody,
I tried to make an overview over all Eastern Franconian / German / Roman / Holy Roman Kings/Emperors, sorted by native language. There is a fair number of occurring idioms. For German, I also include a rough distinction by dialect: In the first centuries these almost deserve the status of languages.
Eventually, I would like to put it on the wiki. But I first would like to learn whether you have major criticisms or if it makes sense at all. If we agree on a version for the rulers, we could gradually extend it to antikings and candidates (when it's on the wiki).
There is, of course, one basic problem: The "mother" tongue of a ruler is not too easy to find out; in some cases this information is not even passed on to us today. Some may have been bilingual, and it is not always clear which language came first (if any). Basically, this involves a lot of guessing.
Striking findings include the following:
- The large number of Czech and Dutch speakers.
- no English, Danish, Polish or Pomeranian, or Hungarian speakers; I am not aware of a promising individual of one of these groups; however, combining all of these and over all centuries I thought there might have been one or two of them.
- Not a single speaker of Eastern Central German (Thuringia, Upper-Elbe Saxony, Silesia).
So here is what I've come up with by now.
Your comments and corrections are welcome!
Czech
_____most of Luxemburg dynasty | 1347-1437
Italian
_____late Staufens (Frederich II, Konrad IV) | 1215-1254
Spanish
_____Ferdinand I of Habsburg | 1531–1564
_____Rudolf II of Habsburg | 1575-1612
French
_____Richard of Cornwall | 1257-1272
_____Henry VII of Luxemburg | 1308–1313
Dutch / Lower Frankonian:
_____most of Carolingian dynasty | at least until 876
_____Salian dynasty | 1024-1125
_____Willem of Holland | 1254-1256
_____Charles V of Habsbug | 1520-1556
Low German / Saxonian:
_____Konrad I | 911-918
_____Liudolfing/Ottonian dynasty | 919-1024
_____Lothar of Supplinburg | 1125-1137
_____Otto IV (Welf) | 1209-1218
High German
_____Central German
__________Western Central German
_______________Adolf of Nassau | 1292–1298
_______________Rupert of Wittelsbach (?) | 1400-1410
_______________Francis I of Habsburg-Lotharingia | 1745–1765
_____Upper German
__________Alamannian
_______________major part of Staufen dynasty | 1138-1208
_______________Rudolf of Habsburg | 1273–1291
_______________Albrecht of Habsburg | 1298–1308
__________Bavarian (wider sense)
_______________Louis IV of Wittelsbach | 1314–1347
_______________Rupert of Wittelsbach (?) | 1400-1410
_______________most of Habsburg dynasty | 1438-1519, 1564-1576, 1612(?)-1740
_______________Charles VII of Wittelsbach | 1742–1745
_______________last three Emperors (Habsburg-Lotharingia dynasty) | 1765-1806
I tried to make an overview over all Eastern Franconian / German / Roman / Holy Roman Kings/Emperors, sorted by native language. There is a fair number of occurring idioms. For German, I also include a rough distinction by dialect: In the first centuries these almost deserve the status of languages.
Eventually, I would like to put it on the wiki. But I first would like to learn whether you have major criticisms or if it makes sense at all. If we agree on a version for the rulers, we could gradually extend it to antikings and candidates (when it's on the wiki).
There is, of course, one basic problem: The "mother" tongue of a ruler is not too easy to find out; in some cases this information is not even passed on to us today. Some may have been bilingual, and it is not always clear which language came first (if any). Basically, this involves a lot of guessing.
Striking findings include the following:
- The large number of Czech and Dutch speakers.
- no English, Danish, Polish or Pomeranian, or Hungarian speakers; I am not aware of a promising individual of one of these groups; however, combining all of these and over all centuries I thought there might have been one or two of them.
- Not a single speaker of Eastern Central German (Thuringia, Upper-Elbe Saxony, Silesia).
So here is what I've come up with by now.
Your comments and corrections are welcome!
Czech
_____most of Luxemburg dynasty | 1347-1437
Italian
_____late Staufens (Frederich II, Konrad IV) | 1215-1254
Spanish
_____Ferdinand I of Habsburg | 1531–1564
_____Rudolf II of Habsburg | 1575-1612
French
_____Richard of Cornwall | 1257-1272
_____Henry VII of Luxemburg | 1308–1313
Dutch / Lower Frankonian:
_____most of Carolingian dynasty | at least until 876
_____Salian dynasty | 1024-1125
_____Willem of Holland | 1254-1256
_____Charles V of Habsbug | 1520-1556
Low German / Saxonian:
_____Konrad I | 911-918
_____Liudolfing/Ottonian dynasty | 919-1024
_____Lothar of Supplinburg | 1125-1137
_____Otto IV (Welf) | 1209-1218
High German
_____Central German
__________Western Central German
_______________Adolf of Nassau | 1292–1298
_______________Rupert of Wittelsbach (?) | 1400-1410
_______________Francis I of Habsburg-Lotharingia | 1745–1765
_____Upper German
__________Alamannian
_______________major part of Staufen dynasty | 1138-1208
_______________Rudolf of Habsburg | 1273–1291
_______________Albrecht of Habsburg | 1298–1308
__________Bavarian (wider sense)
_______________Louis IV of Wittelsbach | 1314–1347
_______________Rupert of Wittelsbach (?) | 1400-1410
_______________most of Habsburg dynasty | 1438-1519, 1564-1576, 1612(?)-1740
_______________Charles VII of Wittelsbach | 1742–1745
_______________last three Emperors (Habsburg-Lotharingia dynasty) | 1765-1806
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