Emperor-of-New-Zealand
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I meant the UCS base-map, not the color scheme.
Ah. That would make more sense
I'm going back to school tomorrow, so my brain has shut off for the next term.
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Ah. That would make more sense
I'm going back to school tomorrow, so my brain has shut off for the next term.
Ah, but the UCS is merely the colours, and can be used on regional as well as world maps; Munro is the King of Worlda (God would seem... peculiar; the Creator may be in permament exile, but it was still the Creator that, er, created that basemap).I meant the UCS base-map, not the color scheme.
Thande
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Yes, I did that on purpose to confuse and annoy.
Can't stand pinyin, but I more or less need to use it because otherwise it's impossible to keep track of which cities correspond to which modern ones.
Thande
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It bears a lot less resemblance to pronunciation than Wade-Giles. I can make a stab at how a Chinese word sounds just by reading the Wade-Giles transliteration out loud (although obviously you're going to have trouble with tones, but I really just want to know vaguely how it sounds) but with pinyin, you need to constantly remind yourself that "q- sounds like emphatic ch-, and x- sounds like hs-, and -ong is actually pronounced -ung" and so on, when Wade-Giles just spells it with ch'- and hs- and -ung.
Who in the world thought "zhou" was an appropriate transliteration for a word which is basically pronounced "chow"?
I suppose, but too often people simply forgot the apostrophes in Wade-Giles, so they collapsed about half the phonemes together. I ended up just memorizing it, mostly so I could practice pronouncing it, to improve my pronunciation of retroflex and alveolo-palatal consonants. Plus it has a better system for the indication of the aspirated/non-aspirated distinction in plosives.
How things are going so far in my current TL. The WW1 equivalent is going strong in the year 1915. France fell quickly. The Hungarians have revolted over Emperor Franz Ferdinand's reforms. The Irish are also trying to win independence.
I assume that the other minorities in the Empire will side with the Hapsburgs if they're offering reforms.
Aozhouhuaren
Banned
Pinyin has some flaws but in my opinion, is a far more superior system than Wade-Giles. Hell, I prefer Zhuyin (Bopomofo) to Wade-Giles. I find it a really sucky system, to be honest.
A word which sounds like "chow" would be transliterated "Chao" It would never be transliterated in Pinyin as "zhou" which would be used for something which sounds more like "Joe" if anything
Q to me does not seem to be an emphatic "ch" at all. The closest comparison would be "ch" in "cheese" The more emphatic "ch" is transliterated as "ch".
Pinyin is quite the simple system for those who actually take the time to learn it. Yes, it may have been created by commies, but it's not so bad.
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I made another map about Quebec possibly riding along with the American revolution, but staying as its own country instead of joining the US. I probably should have worded it that way in the original thread I made.
Blue is the USA with various states, territories and purchases. Green-blue is Quebec with the gradient areas being of Quebec and British claims.
I wish the original thread hadn't tanked.
Blue is the USA with various states, territories and purchases. Green-blue is Quebec with the gradient areas being of Quebec and British claims.
I wish the original thread hadn't tanked.
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From the Dominion of Southern America Timeline:
During the early years of the Republic of Texas, one of President Jackson's major objectives was making real the tenuous claims to California Texas had made. The overseas route was lengthy, having to circumnavigate the entirety of South America. The main overland route, the Old Spanish Trail, was circuitous and felt to be vulnerable to snow in the winter. Jackson's government sought a way directly through the desert to the Pacific. President Jackson sent one of his staunchest loyalists and famous explorer, William Henry Ashley, to find a route as straight as possible from Albuquerque to the Pacific. Ashley was successful, blazing a route almost due west, with water sources no more than 20 miles apart! After crossing the Colorado at the Needles, he was able to link up with the Mojave Road, a native route that had spurs to both the Central Valley of California and down to Presidio de Santa Barbara on the Pacific Ocean. On reaching Santa Barbara, Ashley's party was held by the Mexican faction holding the region, but was able to convince them that they were American traders who had crossed the continent by the Old Spanish Trail. Ashley and his party were treated as heroes on their return to Texas. Ironically, it was the discovery of a more direct route to California that later made possible the sale of northern New Mexico and California to the Americans under the Brown Presidency, as before this the sale would have severed the only known routes from Texas to the Pacific.
During the early years of the Republic of Texas, one of President Jackson's major objectives was making real the tenuous claims to California Texas had made. The overseas route was lengthy, having to circumnavigate the entirety of South America. The main overland route, the Old Spanish Trail, was circuitous and felt to be vulnerable to snow in the winter. Jackson's government sought a way directly through the desert to the Pacific. President Jackson sent one of his staunchest loyalists and famous explorer, William Henry Ashley, to find a route as straight as possible from Albuquerque to the Pacific. Ashley was successful, blazing a route almost due west, with water sources no more than 20 miles apart! After crossing the Colorado at the Needles, he was able to link up with the Mojave Road, a native route that had spurs to both the Central Valley of California and down to Presidio de Santa Barbara on the Pacific Ocean. On reaching Santa Barbara, Ashley's party was held by the Mexican faction holding the region, but was able to convince them that they were American traders who had crossed the continent by the Old Spanish Trail. Ashley and his party were treated as heroes on their return to Texas. Ironically, it was the discovery of a more direct route to California that later made possible the sale of northern New Mexico and California to the Americans under the Brown Presidency, as before this the sale would have severed the only known routes from Texas to the Pacific.
Nice looking.
This map is drawn from “The Jupiter Theft”, a science fiction novel by Donald Moffit.
It is the 21st century, or at least the 21st century of 1977. Both the US and the USSR underwent severe systemic crises around the turn of the century, but with differing results. While the US managed to crush the New England separatists at the cost of only one major city blown up by a separatist nuke [1], the USSR descended into nuclear civil war, which was then compounded by the Chinese “peacekeeping” effort from 2003-2008.
The US has since slowly descended into an authoritarian state, in which loyalty and “attitude” tests are a normal part of everyday life (usually from kindergarten on) and the security police are everywhere. It is also a somewhat socialistic state – most of the economy is government-run, if still on a capitalistic basis, and those employed (or unemployed) in the shrunken private sector and not by the government (and therefore not subject to the same battery of tests that government employees undergo), the “privies”, are considered suspect and unreliable.
The US now includes a large chunk of Canada, which was invaded after separatists took refuge over the border, but the economic and political heart of the nation now lies in the south – more specifically in Texas, the Houston-San Antonio-Dallasworth Metro area being one of the largest urban conurbations on earth. The Big One hit California, with the earth splitting from the Gulf of California to Death Valley, which after being flooded has become a popular beach resort.
Architecture is currently undergoing a bit of a shakeup as new synthetics allow the building of new, fantastically shaped (and often garishly colored) buildings. Good taste does not seeming to be defining feature of this future US – one might note Houston’s 50-meter heroic nude of Kennedy, holding aloft a rocket and the moon, all in “gleaming polymers.” It is a crowded place, population growth rates having remained high: there are close to a billion Americans, many of them unemployable and impoverished “privies” living off a meager Federal subsidy and whatever they can scrounge.
It is a multipolar world, but the US is still the Biggest Dog, and its principal competitor is the Chinese Coalition. With more than two and a half times the population of the US, it still has a smaller economy, maintains at least the rhetoric of Fiery Socialism and a security regime even harsher than that of the US. (Fashionably wrinkled blue Mao jackets, for men and for women, are back in style). It has taken over much of the old USSR and has quite cordial relations with the odd Green/Leftist/Technocratic authoritarian regime of Brazil.
A more democratic great power is the European Union, richer per capita than the US nowadays if less populous, and, alas, still hagridden by internal divisions. It established a protectorate over the western rump of the old USSR, and lately there has been some talk of fully incorporating Russia, which although poorer than most of Europe is still a lot better off than the radioactive wreck it was in 2008: the Chinese have reacted in a hostile manner to the suggestion.
Also a democracy is India-Burma (India got involved in a bloody Burmese civil war to forestall the Chinese, and ended up staying), which is a major exporter of high-tech products, has the world’s largest population of multimillionaires, and is the center of an Indian Ocean rim economic region, but suffers from desertification and depends on food imports from Europe and the Americas.
Fifth and last among the Great Powers is heavily armed and somewhat paranoid Greater Japan and its shaky Pacific Rim alliance system (the South Koreans were forced to look for new allies after the US turned inwards and the Chinese took over a crumbling North Korea, but they still don’t like the Japanese much). The Siberian far east managed to remain briefly independent thanks to a Russian general with a lot of handy nukes and balls of steel, but eventually was forced to subordinate itself to Japan, although Japan only annexed the less populous northern regions. Japan has not suffered a demographic collapse as OTL, but still has too few people to compete on a level playing field with giants like China or the US, and attempts to create a closer and tighter Pacific Rim Association have not gone too well, thanks in part to the Japanese reluctance to create a political structure in which they would be outvoted by gaijin.
Africa and the Middle East have undergone a lot of turmoil, especially after the oil ran out and nobody cared anymore about the Middle East. Israel still doesn’t get on with Islamicist Egypt, but actually gets along OK nowadays with the leftist but anti-Chinese Arabian Commonwealth (the last round of Palestinian expulsions were quite a while ago). The Katanga Council Association is a “corporate” state in which the workers actually do control the mechanisms of production (the Chinese reeealy don’t like them), the New Congo Republic is the product of a military genius who probably would be world emperor if he were lucky enough to be born in the US or China rather than the fragmented remains of former Congo former Zaire, and Greater Azania is China’s only really strong ally (and therefore, a shaky ally every time the policy line out of New Beijing changes).
It is a post-oil world, and much of its power needs are met by solar and wind power, as well as nuclear, although fusion power has become increasingly important and practical since the 2020s. Genetic engineering of plants and animals is quite advanced, the US being the largest producer of engineered food sources, super-peanuts, cold-climate “snow rice”, wingbeans and “soycorn.” (The beef-flavored hamster has largely replaced the wasteful and methane-belching cow).
Space travel is also advanced, with the US, China and Europe having bases on the Moon and Mars. Japan and India-Burma stick to earth orbit, and while Europe has the resources, only the US and China have the unified political will for the space exploration event of the century – a joint nuclear-rocket mission to Jupiter, to be launched soon…
[1] And a few minor ones. Some – not Americans – have claimed that it was a “false flag” operation to justify extreme measures.
Bruce
This map is drawn from “The Jupiter Theft”, a science fiction novel by Donald Moffit.
It is the 21st century, or at least the 21st century of 1977. Both the US and the USSR underwent severe systemic crises around the turn of the century, but with differing results. While the US managed to crush the New England separatists at the cost of only one major city blown up by a separatist nuke [1], the USSR descended into nuclear civil war, which was then compounded by the Chinese “peacekeeping” effort from 2003-2008.
The US has since slowly descended into an authoritarian state, in which loyalty and “attitude” tests are a normal part of everyday life (usually from kindergarten on) and the security police are everywhere. It is also a somewhat socialistic state – most of the economy is government-run, if still on a capitalistic basis, and those employed (or unemployed) in the shrunken private sector and not by the government (and therefore not subject to the same battery of tests that government employees undergo), the “privies”, are considered suspect and unreliable.
The US now includes a large chunk of Canada, which was invaded after separatists took refuge over the border, but the economic and political heart of the nation now lies in the south – more specifically in Texas, the Houston-San Antonio-Dallasworth Metro area being one of the largest urban conurbations on earth. The Big One hit California, with the earth splitting from the Gulf of California to Death Valley, which after being flooded has become a popular beach resort.
Architecture is currently undergoing a bit of a shakeup as new synthetics allow the building of new, fantastically shaped (and often garishly colored) buildings. Good taste does not seeming to be defining feature of this future US – one might note Houston’s 50-meter heroic nude of Kennedy, holding aloft a rocket and the moon, all in “gleaming polymers.” It is a crowded place, population growth rates having remained high: there are close to a billion Americans, many of them unemployable and impoverished “privies” living off a meager Federal subsidy and whatever they can scrounge.
It is a multipolar world, but the US is still the Biggest Dog, and its principal competitor is the Chinese Coalition. With more than two and a half times the population of the US, it still has a smaller economy, maintains at least the rhetoric of Fiery Socialism and a security regime even harsher than that of the US. (Fashionably wrinkled blue Mao jackets, for men and for women, are back in style). It has taken over much of the old USSR and has quite cordial relations with the odd Green/Leftist/Technocratic authoritarian regime of Brazil.
A more democratic great power is the European Union, richer per capita than the US nowadays if less populous, and, alas, still hagridden by internal divisions. It established a protectorate over the western rump of the old USSR, and lately there has been some talk of fully incorporating Russia, which although poorer than most of Europe is still a lot better off than the radioactive wreck it was in 2008: the Chinese have reacted in a hostile manner to the suggestion.
Also a democracy is India-Burma (India got involved in a bloody Burmese civil war to forestall the Chinese, and ended up staying), which is a major exporter of high-tech products, has the world’s largest population of multimillionaires, and is the center of an Indian Ocean rim economic region, but suffers from desertification and depends on food imports from Europe and the Americas.
Fifth and last among the Great Powers is heavily armed and somewhat paranoid Greater Japan and its shaky Pacific Rim alliance system (the South Koreans were forced to look for new allies after the US turned inwards and the Chinese took over a crumbling North Korea, but they still don’t like the Japanese much). The Siberian far east managed to remain briefly independent thanks to a Russian general with a lot of handy nukes and balls of steel, but eventually was forced to subordinate itself to Japan, although Japan only annexed the less populous northern regions. Japan has not suffered a demographic collapse as OTL, but still has too few people to compete on a level playing field with giants like China or the US, and attempts to create a closer and tighter Pacific Rim Association have not gone too well, thanks in part to the Japanese reluctance to create a political structure in which they would be outvoted by gaijin.
Africa and the Middle East have undergone a lot of turmoil, especially after the oil ran out and nobody cared anymore about the Middle East. Israel still doesn’t get on with Islamicist Egypt, but actually gets along OK nowadays with the leftist but anti-Chinese Arabian Commonwealth (the last round of Palestinian expulsions were quite a while ago). The Katanga Council Association is a “corporate” state in which the workers actually do control the mechanisms of production (the Chinese reeealy don’t like them), the New Congo Republic is the product of a military genius who probably would be world emperor if he were lucky enough to be born in the US or China rather than the fragmented remains of former Congo former Zaire, and Greater Azania is China’s only really strong ally (and therefore, a shaky ally every time the policy line out of New Beijing changes).
It is a post-oil world, and much of its power needs are met by solar and wind power, as well as nuclear, although fusion power has become increasingly important and practical since the 2020s. Genetic engineering of plants and animals is quite advanced, the US being the largest producer of engineered food sources, super-peanuts, cold-climate “snow rice”, wingbeans and “soycorn.” (The beef-flavored hamster has largely replaced the wasteful and methane-belching cow).
Space travel is also advanced, with the US, China and Europe having bases on the Moon and Mars. Japan and India-Burma stick to earth orbit, and while Europe has the resources, only the US and China have the unified political will for the space exploration event of the century – a joint nuclear-rocket mission to Jupiter, to be launched soon…
[1] And a few minor ones. Some – not Americans – have claimed that it was a “false flag” operation to justify extreme measures.
Bruce
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