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  1. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    The fact that an Eastern Front would still exist regardless of the outcome to the 1941 campaign. Even if the Red Army was defeated and thrown east of Moscow, the front running from the Caspian Sea to the Artic Ocean would be over 1,000 miles in length and require a huge army to garrison. The...

  2. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    My assumption of the failure of an invasion is that the invasion forces would not so much be sunk as they would be scattered and disorganized such that landings were haphazard and ineffective, and many of the barges are not sunk, but dispersed haphazardly along the French coast after recoiling...

  3. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    HItler had convinced himself that he could decisively defeat the Red Army within 12 weeks and eventually push the front back to the Ural Mountains, east of which the Red army would still be in the field in weakened form. Not the elimination of a two front war, but one in which the Eastern Front...

  4. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    The only way for Hitler to absolutely guarantee a two-front war was to invade the Soviet Union. In terms of the lack of protection of the barge fleet, that was without question the single most pressing reason for why Sealion was likely to fail.

  5. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    It's a possibility, but I doubt it. Sources are scarce for Stalin's actual thinking, but I get the sense that far more than Hitler, he understood American strength and feared it. No doubt if the Anglo-Americans land in France that Stalin, seeing the writing on the wall for Germany at that...

  6. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    Zed's dead, baby, Zed's dead. The losses in Norway could not be refloated, and after September 1940 Hitler decided not to do a crash amphibious landing program. Two of those things were immutable facts at the point Sealion was postponed. The third was a choice. Certainly You mean a...

  7. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    The question was, finishing with the British then turning east or finishing with the Soviets then turning back west. Had Hitler done the former, it wouldn't have meant he lacked the intention to go east later.

  8. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    I think Sealion in 1940 would probably have failed. But not because of seaworthiness of the barges or the action of the RAF in general. Under the OP's premise, losses might probably be light enough that Barbarossa proceeds. But, if losses were heavy enough, Barbarossa might be postponed. And...

  9. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    Barges in formation were not in "close proximity". They were separated by hundreds of yards. Far enough that in a formation that random pattern bombing wasn't going to do anything. Creating waves near to a barge wasn't going to work- the barges were equipped with upper decks to prevent...

  10. Midway is a JAPANESE trap

    I doubt they alter the plan, but what could occur is that if troops get ashore on Eastern Island, but they're pinned down on the Coral Reefs facing Sand Island, that the IJN Diahatsus might start evacuating troops from the reef and landing them on Eastern Island. The Americans cannot match such...

  11. Midway is a JAPANESE trap

    If you browse IJN shells in general the explosive content seems underwhelming in comparison to, say, the British. I wonder if it reflects some sort of doctrine, or poorer mettalurgy, or some other unmentioned cause.

  12. Midway is a JAPANESE trap

    They had a common shell for the 18.1", but the explosive content seems low for a shell of its size at 136lbs, http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP_18-45_t94.php

  13. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    No, they couldn't. First off, barges and tug boats are nearly impossible to hit with level bombing even during daylight because they are so small. Second off the RAF had not yet developed a proper low-level air attack method that they would have later. Third off, RAF bombers flying at low...

  14. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    The Navy was the one pushing for Southern Indochina, but the Army was the senior service and had effective veto power. It was the non-aggression pact and German invasion that tipped the scales for the total occupation of Indochina. Your point is basically that it was theoretically possible...

  15. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    You were thinking a Soviet source would not be the source for confidential Soviet information? The spy agencies of the world must have got it all wrong for the past 2000 years. :^) Off topic, but I'd recommend picking up a copy. The Fugate thesis is that after the warning in December, the...

  16. How can the Soviets accept Brest-Litovsk?

    One of the interesting what ifs is the idea of a different German-Russian treaty ending their war in 1917/1918, but getting the Soviets to accept B-L straight up without coercion seems a really difficult proposition. What I had more in mind is that the Soviets took over the Russian army and...

  17. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    https://www.amazon.ca/Operation-Barbarossa-Strategy-Tactics-Eastern/dp/0891411976 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasion_of_French_Indochina Furthermore, within the Japanese high command there was a disagreement over what to do about the Soviet threat to the north of their Manchurian...

  18. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    Same here. The discussion is the failure of Sealion, not its success. But even in failure, there will have been planning assumptions in the German camp on the expected maximum duration of the campaign.

  19. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    US and Empire industry would not be impacted by the occupation of London. The British had a superlative communications network as well, both rail, road, and by sea. They would naturally attempt to relocate industry northwards as required.

  20. Effect on rest of WW2 of a failed Sealion

    The Soviets are reputed to have had the details of the Barbarossa directive in December 1940. Fugate pg 39, According to a reliable Soviet source, the Russian military attache in Berlin recieved detailed information about Hitler's Barbarossa directive from an anonomous letter on Christmas...
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