Map Thread XXII

Just a mini-map I quickly made, set in the same world as the last one I posted on this thread. Got stumped with the Worlda of the rest of TTL, which at the moment stagnates at half-done. Did manage to cook up a wee bit of lore on the matter of TTL's USA:

ABS[1] nationwide opinion poll for the upcoming 2024 Elections
Published on the 17th of April 2024
"Which party do you intend to vote for in the First Round[2] of the 2024 Presidential Election?"


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Projected Popular Vote: Federalist - 41%, Democratic-Republican - 39%, - Whig - 18%, Other parties - 4%
Projected Electoral Vote[3]: Federalist - 256, Democratic-Republican - 239, - Whig - 61, Other parties - 9
NO CANDIDATE IS PROJECTED TO WIN MAJORITY OF 283+ ELECTORAL VOTES IN THE FIRST ROUND
Projection for Second Round[4]: Lean Federalist

Assuming the polls hold:
1. Best Whig presidential performance since the 1908 presidential election.
2. Third consecutive time the Whigs will lead the under-25 vote, and the first time they will achieve a majority of under-25 votes.
3. Worst performance by the Federalists in the New England region since 2004.
4. The Federalists may also receive their lowest ever share of the (Non-Hispanic) Black vote, though with a narrow majority maintained; conversely this might also mark their highest ever share of the Hispanic-American vote, also a majority.
5. The Democratic-Republicans may gain control of the Senate - with a projected net gain of +5 for a majority of 43 seats out of 80.
6. Prospects for the House of Representatives[5] point to yet another Hung House; the ninth in a row.
7. This may mark the first time the presidential election will have a second round since 2012[6].
8. Likewise, this may also be the first time the President and Vice President elects will belong to different parties since the 2nd Martinez-Livingstone Administration[7]


[1] The American Broadcasting Service - America's answer to the BBC and the CBS (Canadian Broadcasting Service). Has since eclipsed both to become world's the largest English language public broadcaster.
[2] Runoff/Two-Round voting has been in use in the United States since 1876. The old first past the post system was at the time blamed for the controversies of the 1870 congressional elections, which are often cited as the catalyst for the American Civil War (1870 to 1876).
[3] Per the 1876 Constitution, electoral votes are distributed in accordance to the performance of a presidential candidate within a state. The candidate who leads the popular vote in a state automatically receives the two EVs from the state's senatorial seats. These are counted for purposes of apportionment, meaning that for states with only one House seat, the candidate with the second highest PV share wins the third EV. In the case of the District of Columbia, which does not have any seats in the Senate (due to not being a state) but is entitled to a single seat in the House (per Amendment XXII), the winner of the popular vote in the combined entirety of the district receives the 1 EV from the House Seat. Its second and third electoral votes are awarded to whoever leads the PV in the portion of the district north of the Potomac (DC - Maryland Side) and whoever leads the PV in the portion of the district south of the Potomac (DC - Virginian Side).
[4] Also per the 1876 Constitution: The declared running mate of a presidential candidate who wins in the first round automatically becomes Vice President. Should no candidate hold an electoral majority, the two candidates with the most electoral votes advance to a second round. The winner of the second round becomes President, the loser becoming the Vice-President. Any unlikely ties that arise are broken first in favour of the candidate who led in more states, and if persistent in favour of the candidate with more popular votes. This replaced the prior system wherein the runner-up of the electoral vote automatically became Vice President if first place received a majority, with the contingent congressional elections in event of no majority abolished in light of their redundancy.
[5] Currently contains 483 seats. Under the "Vermont Rule", the constituent to representative ratio is to be determined by the population of the least populous state in the Union. This is where the first 482 representatives come from, with the 483rd being the single representative the District of Columbia is entitled to under the 22nd Amendment.
[6] When incumbent President Newton Livingstone Jr. (DR-VA) lost re-election to then-incumbent Vice-President (and his predecessor in the Presidency) Richard Martinez (F-TX). Livingstone had previously served as Martinez's VP during the latter's first administration as a result of losing in the second round of the 2004 election. He went on to unseat him as Democratic-Republican nominee in 2008, but had to take him on as Vice-President due to the election once again going into a second round, effectively swapping positions. With 2012 becoming the third election in a row to necessitate a second round, Livingstone re-assumed his old role as Martinez's Vice President.
[7] March 4th 2013 to March 4th 2017. Having served two complete terms, President Martinez was ineligible to run again for office in 2016. Becoming D-R nominee for the fourth consecutive time, Livingstone won back the Presidency - this time with a comfortable first round majority of 317 EVs out of 551.
 
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A Nation of Opposites: The United States of Chinamerica in 2024
Happy Patriot Day, my American neighbours! I hope you all are enjoying the anniversary of the beginning of the American Revolution, an event that would bring the greatest consequences humanity has ever seen: urban sprawl, highways wider than the founding fathers could ever imagine, high worker productivity, and the greatest democracy this Earth has and will ever see!

Now, have you ever thought to yourself, “jeeh, I wish more people could experience the American dream!” Well, boy, do I have a map for you! Me, and my reddit buddies u/ajw20_YT, and the legend himself u/Gourg_pie, have been cooking up the material necessary to make this dream a possibility, but it comes at a cost… The United States east coast has a unique and beautiful coastline, (outside of Atlantic City,) but let’s not ignore the fact that China’s is beautiful in and of itself. So, what if they swapped? What if the United States now had the eastern coastline of China? It sounds funny, but I’m a mad man, and funny scenarios deserve to be taken seriously and with respect! This concept, while goofy in nature, deserves a high-effort, well-thought-out map, So that is the map I bring forth to you all today!

If you want to know more about the effort put into it, we have a spreadsheet with all of the states and some data for each state. If you would like to read up on the crazy lore for this timeline, (yes, we have lore,) than you can check out this google doc for a several-page lore extravaganza, cooked up by myself with the help of my sous chef, u/ajw20_YT!

Tl;dr: America has risen, BILLIONS must RAHHHHHHHHHH
Is it just me or is the imagine not working?
 
I mean, that doesn't make it better. It's such a stupid trope that completely ignores a massive part of NZ's history. There is literally no harm in just leaving NZ independent in any of these scenarios. An EU-style union between AUS and NZ is more likely than the two actually federating.
Reading further into the lore of the game, it seems to be heavily implied that the merger was not particularly voluntary and was forced by London with the support of the military after a failed socialist riot (this was prior to the British Revolution). Also, the country's official name is the Australasian Confederation which might imply a looser sort of union that's only represented as one for game reasons. I think that Australasian lore is also pretty old at this point, and I'm not sure that it would survive a rework in the region.
 
Just a mini-map I quickly made, set in the same world as the last one I posted on this thread. Got stumped with the Worlda of the rest of TTL, which at the moment stagnates at half-done. Did manage to cook up a wee bit of lore on the matter of TTL's USA:

ABS[1] nationwide opinion poll for the upcoming 2024 Elections
Published on the 17th of April 2024
"Which party do you intend to vote for in the First Round[2] of the 2024 Presidential Election?"


View attachment 902051

Projected Popular Vote: Federalist - 41%, Democratic-Republican - 39%, - Whig - 18%, Other parties - 4%
Projected Electoral Vote[3]: Federalist - 256, Democratic-Republican - 239, - Whig - 61, Other parties - 9
NO CANDIDATE IS PROJECTED TO WIN MAJORITY OF 283+ ELECTORAL VOTES IN THE FIRST ROUND
Projection for Second Round[4]: Lean Federalist

Assuming the polls hold:
1. Best Whig presidential performance since the 1908 presidential election.
2. Third consecutive time the Whigs will lead the under-25 vote, and the first time they will achieve a majority of under-25 votes.
3. Worst performance by the Federalists in the New England region since 2004.
4. The Federalists may also receive their lowest ever share of the (Non-Hispanic) Black vote, though with a narrow majority maintained; conversely this might also mark their highest ever share of the Hispanic-American vote, also a majority.
5. The Democratic-Republicans may gain control of the Senate - with a projected net gain of +5 for a majority of 43 seats out of 80.
6. Prospects for the House of Representatives[5] point to yet another Hung House; the ninth in a row.
7. This may mark the first time the presidential election will have a second round since 2012[6].
8. Likewise, this may also be the first time the President and Vice President elects will belong to different parties since the 2nd Martinez-Livingstone Administration[7]


[1] The American Broadcasting Service - America's answer to the BBC and the CBS (Canadian Broadcasting Service). Has since eclipsed both to become world's the largest English language public broadcaster.
[2] Runoff/Two-Round voting has been in use in the United States since 1876. The old first past the post system was at the time blamed for the controversies of the 1870 congressional elections, which are often cited as the catalyst for the American Civil War (1870 to 1876).
[3] Per the 1876 Constitution, electoral votes are distributed in accordance to the performance of a presidential candidate within a state. The candidate who leads the popular vote in a state automatically receives the two EVs from the state's senatorial seats. These are counted for purposes of apportionment, meaning that for states with only one House seat, the candidate with the second highest PV share wins the third EV. In the case of the District of Columbia, which does not have any seats in the Senate (due to not being a state) but is entitled to a single seat in the House (per Amendment XXII), the winner of the popular vote in the combined entirety of the district receives the 1 EV from the House Seat. Its second and third electoral votes are awarded to whoever leads the PV in the portion of the district north of the Potomac (DC - Maryland Side) and whoever leads the PV in the portion of the district south of the Potomac (DC - Virginian Side).
[4] Also per the 1876 Constitution: The declared running mate of a presidential candidate who wins in the first round automatically becomes Vice President. Should no candidate hold an electoral majority, the two candidates with the most electoral votes advance to a second round. The winner of the second round becomes President, the loser becoming the Vice-President. Any unlikely ties that arise are broken first in favour of the candidate who led in more states, and if persistent in favour of the candidate with more popular votes. This replaced the prior system wherein the runner-up of the electoral vote automatically became Vice President if first place received a majority, with the contingent congressional elections in event of no majority abolished in light of their redundancy.
[5] Currently contains 483 seats. Under the "Vermont Rule", the constituent to representative ratio is to be determined by the population of the least populous state in the Union. This is where the first 482 representatives come from, with the 483rd being the single representative the District of Columbia is entitled to under the 22nd Amendment.
[6] When incumbent President Newton Livingstone Jr. (DR-VA) lost re-election to then-incumbent Vice-President (and his predecessor in the Presidency) Richard Martinez (F-TX). Livingstone had previously served as Martinez's VP during the latter's first administration as a result of losing in the second round of the 2004 election. He went on to unseat him as Democratic-Republican nominee in 2008, but had to take him on as Vice-President due to the election once again going into a second round, effectively swapping positions. With 2012 becoming the third election in a row to necessitate a second round, Livingstone re-assumed his old role as Martinez's Vice President.
[7] March 4th 2013 to March 4th 2017. Having served two complete terms, President Martinez was ineligible to run again for office in 2016. Becoming D-R nominee for the fourth consecutive time, Livingstone won back the Presidency - this time with a comfortable first round majority of 317 EVs out of 551.
Love seeing more of this setting! What are the ideologies of the Democratic-Republicans, Federalists, and Whigs by the 21st century?
 
Just a mini-map I quickly made, set in the same world as the last one I posted on this thread. Got stumped with the Worlda of the rest of TTL, which at the moment stagnates at half-done. Did manage to cook up a wee bit of lore on the matter of TTL's USA:

ABS[1] nationwide opinion poll for the upcoming 2024 Elections
Published on the 17th of April 2024
"Which party do you intend to vote for in the First Round[2] of the 2024 Presidential Election?"


View attachment 902051

Projected Popular Vote: Federalist - 41%, Democratic-Republican - 39%, - Whig - 18%, Other parties - 4%
Projected Electoral Vote[3]: Federalist - 256, Democratic-Republican - 239, - Whig - 61, Other parties - 9
NO CANDIDATE IS PROJECTED TO WIN MAJORITY OF 283+ ELECTORAL VOTES IN THE FIRST ROUND
Projection for Second Round[4]: Lean Federalist

Assuming the polls hold:
1. Best Whig presidential performance since the 1908 presidential election.
2. Third consecutive time the Whigs will lead the under-25 vote, and the first time they will achieve a majority of under-25 votes.
3. Worst performance by the Federalists in the New England region since 2004.
4. The Federalists may also receive their lowest ever share of the (Non-Hispanic) Black vote, though with a narrow majority maintained; conversely this might also mark their highest ever share of the Hispanic-American vote, also a majority.
5. The Democratic-Republicans may gain control of the Senate - with a projected net gain of +5 for a majority of 43 seats out of 80.
6. Prospects for the House of Representatives[5] point to yet another Hung House; the ninth in a row.
7. This may mark the first time the presidential election will have a second round since 2012[6].
8. Likewise, this may also be the first time the President and Vice President elects will belong to different parties since the 2nd Martinez-Livingstone Administration[7]


[1] The American Broadcasting Service - America's answer to the BBC and the CBS (Canadian Broadcasting Service). Has since eclipsed both to become world's the largest English language public broadcaster.
[2] Runoff/Two-Round voting has been in use in the United States since 1876. The old first past the post system was at the time blamed for the controversies of the 1870 congressional elections, which are often cited as the catalyst for the American Civil War (1870 to 1876).
[3] Per the 1876 Constitution, electoral votes are distributed in accordance to the performance of a presidential candidate within a state. The candidate who leads the popular vote in a state automatically receives the two EVs from the state's senatorial seats. These are counted for purposes of apportionment, meaning that for states with only one House seat, the candidate with the second highest PV share wins the third EV. In the case of the District of Columbia, which does not have any seats in the Senate (due to not being a state) but is entitled to a single seat in the House (per Amendment XXII), the winner of the popular vote in the combined entirety of the district receives the 1 EV from the House Seat. Its second and third electoral votes are awarded to whoever leads the PV in the portion of the district north of the Potomac (DC - Maryland Side) and whoever leads the PV in the portion of the district south of the Potomac (DC - Virginian Side).
[4] Also per the 1876 Constitution: The declared running mate of a presidential candidate who wins in the first round automatically becomes Vice President. Should no candidate hold an electoral majority, the two candidates with the most electoral votes advance to a second round. The winner of the second round becomes President, the loser becoming the Vice-President. Any unlikely ties that arise are broken first in favour of the candidate who led in more states, and if persistent in favour of the candidate with more popular votes. This replaced the prior system wherein the runner-up of the electoral vote automatically became Vice President if first place received a majority, with the contingent congressional elections in event of no majority abolished in light of their redundancy.
[5] Currently contains 483 seats. Under the "Vermont Rule", the constituent to representative ratio is to be determined by the population of the least populous state in the Union. This is where the first 482 representatives come from, with the 483rd being the single representative the District of Columbia is entitled to under the 22nd Amendment.
[6] When incumbent President Newton Livingstone Jr. (DR-VA) lost re-election to then-incumbent Vice-President (and his predecessor in the Presidency) Richard Martinez (F-TX). Livingstone had previously served as Martinez's VP during the latter's first administration as a result of losing in the second round of the 2004 election. He went on to unseat him as Democratic-Republican nominee in 2008, but had to take him on as Vice-President due to the election once again going into a second round, effectively swapping positions. With 2012 becoming the third election in a row to necessitate a second round, Livingstone re-assumed his old role as Martinez's Vice President.
[7] March 4th 2013 to March 4th 2017. Having served two complete terms, President Martinez was ineligible to run again for office in 2016. Becoming D-R nominee for the fourth consecutive time, Livingstone won back the Presidency - this time with a comfortable first round majority of 317 EVs out of 551.
Glad to see more of this scenario! I would love to see this as its own thread considering all the world building you’ve done so far.

Some questions:
  1. When did America annex northern Mexico, Cuba and Hispaniola?
  2. Are there any monarchies in South America ruled by the House of Bourbon?
  3. What happened to the Murat Grand Dukes of Berg?
 
Democratic-Republicans
Generally populist economics, though funny enough they still hold onto anti-tariff/mild free trader principles. Also the more "federal" party relative to the more "unitary" Federalists; "states rights" is genuinely not a dog whistle when these guys say it. Somewhat nationalistic foreign policy outlook, and socially their national platform can be best described as " inoffensively moderate for purposes of party unity". It varies regionally among the various state parties - a DR from New York for example is going to be significantly more socially progressive compared to a DR from Nebraska.
Federalists
Still got that centralist undercurrent, favouring a strong federal government in the old balance of government power debate. Curiously they're also the party more in favour of, among other things, making Spanish a second official language (English having long been made official on a federal level ittl). Dirigiste in economic outlook, with rather paternalist stances on public welfare policy. Internationalist in foreign policy, with their social policy on a spectrum ranging from liberal-conservatism to conservative-liberalism.
Laissez-faire economics aside from a staunch protectionist trade policy, a strongly progressive social policy which they've been doubling down on recently, optimistically pro-immigration, and have been spearheading calls for electoral reform for a more direct democratic model. Or to summarize in (a modern modification of) an old party slogan: free markets, free speech, free love, and free borders. (Trade? Not so free)
When did America annex northern Mexico
Along with the rest of the OTL Mexican cession in a slightly later Mexican-American War fought in the early 1850s. With much of the Old Northwest firmly British after 1812, dashing any hope of Pacific access via Oregon, America made up for it by taking a larger bite out of Mexico.
Cuba and Hispaniola?
Either a late 1850s or early 1860s acquisition. Unsure if that should have occurred via a quick-ish war, convoluted purchase agreement, or a mix of both (see: the American "purchase" of the Philippines at the end of the OTL Spanish-American War). The acquisition of the Carribean islands in addition to the decision to leave the larger TTL Mexican cession open to potential admission as slave states pretty much lit the spark of TTL's ACW. Postbellum, amid a Radical Reconstruction, there was a minor migration of Freedmen from the Deep South to these islands. Most stayed put in Dixie however, thanks to among other things a generous redistribution of the old masters' acres and mules. At present, African-Americans form the largest racial group of the the Caribbean and the "Black Belt" states; with Santo Domingo famously being the only majority black state in the Union
Are there any monarchies in South America ruled by the House of Bourbon?
Nope, none. The Braganzas reside in Rio de Janeiro and rule as kings of Portugal; which funnily enough means most of Latin America legally borders the EC. Meanwhile over in Peru the descendants of Tupac Amaru II (whose revolt was successful here and led to an early kick off of the Latin American independence wars) reign as Sapa Incas over in Cusco; though the title is usually translated as "Emperor" from the original Quecha (and lately - "Empress"). And elsewhere in LatAm there's a neo-Mayan monarchy covering the OTL Yucatan/Guatamala/Belize area founded by a fictitious mestizo revolutionary.
What happened to the Murat Grand Dukes of Berg?
Presumably still Grand Duke of Berg. Insert the obligatory ITTL "there are more French monarchs inside Germany than there are in France" joke here.
 
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I mean, that doesn't make it better. It's such a stupid trope that completely ignores a massive part of NZ's history. There is literally no harm in just leaving NZ independent in any of these scenarios. An EU-style union between AUS and NZ is more likely than the two actually federating.
Shocking: Kaiserreich is a very bad Alternate History with little to no regards for any form of coherence or realism, as it's basically just a German wank with other somewhat uninteresting stuff stapled to it
 
Shocking: Kaiserreich is a very bad Alternate History with little to no regards for any form of coherence or realism, as it's basically just a German wank with other somewhat uninteresting stuff stapled to it
My initial comment is based on years of seeing the same "Australasia" trope even in serious alternate histories. The problem is that nobody bothers to look into why Australia and NZ aren't together in real life. There were good reasons for continued separation in OTL, and IMO the threat of potentially hostile neighbours isn't enough to push them together. Defence in the face of potential invasion would be shared regardless of whether the two are united or not, so why bother uniting them? It doesn't even look that good on a map - it's Oceania's version of a space-filling empire.

Kaiserreich is simply one example of it. Perhaps my comment was, ultimately, useless but I feel compelled to say it every time I see it.
 
My initial comment is based on years of seeing the same "Australasia" trope even in serious alternate histories. The problem is that nobody bothers to look into why Australia and NZ aren't together in real life. There were good reasons for continued separation in OTL, and IMO the threat of potentially hostile neighbours isn't enough to push them together. Defence in the face of potential invasion would be shared regardless of whether the two are united or not, so why bother uniting them? It doesn't even look that good on a map - it's Oceania's version of a space-filling empire.

Kaiserreich is simply one example of it. Perhaps my comment was, ultimately, useless but I feel compelled to say it every time I see it.
There needs to be a totally cracked out TL where New Zealand for whatever stupid reason joins Australia but Western Australia's independence referendum actually results in them leaving the Commonwealth so WA is independent but not NZ.
 
There needs to be a totally cracked out TL where New Zealand for whatever stupid reason joins Australia but Western Australia's independence referendum actually results in them leaving the Commonwealth so WA is independent but not NZ.
Or, even more cracked out: NZ joins up with WA. 😆
 
Africa in my TL. PODs include the Rif War becoming a liberation war for northern Africa and gaining widespread support amongst local populations, and the Kongo-Wara rebellion being successful as well. This map shows the current borders as of 2024.
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While I like the map I have to ask why Russia/SU or whatever they are do not hold northern Manchuria even if just as a shortcut to Vladivostok, if they allready have East Turkestan and Mongolia? Is there a AU/TL for this? :D
Essentially, this is Beiyang China who unified the country, and they still had claims up to Tuva and the Amur river. Eventually a war ensued, so China invaded and took Vladivostok as well as pushing into Mongolia. The current borders are just the result of back and forth in the front, with the Soviets managing to recapture all of Mongolia and Vladivostok, and pushing into Xinjiang, much like irl, but failing to advance in Manchuria. The peace treaty stipulated borders to be like on the map. Mongolia was already part of the USSR by the time the war began, as in this TL there wasn't anyone to say no to Mongolia's annexation proposals, and Stalin never became GenSec. As for Tibet, China easily invaded it because they considered it theirs and they had no allies. The borders aren't made to look weird or aesthetic or something, they're just the consequence of these wars
 
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