Why is Petrovgrad not called Banat? Also, if this rump Yugoslavia is Serb-led, which it looks to be, why not call Serbia something like Central Serbia or Pomoravlje to reduce the hurt Serbs would feel at having Kosovo and what's left of Vojvodina become distinct republics by not directly implying that the remaining Serbia is all of Serbia.
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Petrovgrad is not called Banat because of pressure from the People's Republic of Romania, as that name was already taken by the Romanian Region of Banat.
I reiterate that I know basically nothing about post-war Balkan history. Blame the naming of the rest on the Soviets or something in-universe.
All sufficiently sensible explanations. Cool map btw, love the colours, I hope I didn't come off too negative with my questions.
No worries, questions are just a chance to learn new things.
See the THICC colour scheme (which is my go-to alt-history colour scheme) for the colours in the map.
The Connecticut Western Reserve being there is such a winI was originally working on an other map that showed the same concept but it had the entirety of North America at a later date. I couldn't quite decide on where I was going with it so I decided to go back further in time on work out from there how they could expand past the Mississippi. I quite like the result, so it may become it's own thing in a series or TL if I find the time for it.
I'm so jealous of your maps - the shading is so perfect and the borders all look so clean 😭I was originally working on an other map that showed the same concept but it had the entirety of North America at a later date. I couldn't quite decide on where I was going with it so I decided to go back further in time on work out from there how they could expand past the Mississippi. I quite like the result, so it may become it's own thing in a series or TL if I find the time for it.
Phenomenal work!
I knew I missed something, that should be the Kingdom of Bosnia as well.
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I had to open the image in another tab just to let it load properly. Great map, just maybe find a less laggier image host in the future?I was originally working on an other map that showed the same concept but it had the entirety of North America at a later date. I couldn't quite decide on where I was going with it so I decided to go back further in time on work out from there how they could expand past the Mississippi. I quite like the result, so it may become it's own thing in a series or TL if I find the time for it.
I haven't yet set a clear date for when the US fall apart, I took 1789 as a sort of start date, since this will be after a sort of ratification crisis. The states themselves will favor regional cooperation and eventually will stop sending people to the Congress all together. I think I read about that proposal somewhere, It would be interesting. One of the main tactics that Spain and also Britain will try to implement here is to play the various states off of each other. However the Napoleonic wars are still on track to happen so the nascent republic of Cumberland would'nt be under the Spanish for long.
Thanks for the kind words! many details I had to figure out over the years to make it look right.
There doesn't seem to be a problem on my end, it could be related to the file size perhaps. I'll try to link it form somewhere else maybe.
Honestly if Yugoslavia had been a willing Axis member i doubt it will be rewarded with the entire Istria plus Trieste, expecially if all Tyrol has been given to Austria (OTL partition plan of the zone were lot less generous due to the fear that with the big territoriall loss towards Jugoslavia, being too harsh will have given to the PCI too much ammunition)
But why wouldn't it be directly be part of the US after? I just don't see there being a reason for America to give up control of Alaska as they've bought it from Russia.
The Italian Civil War goes differently ITTL and Umberto II's decidely anti-communist government is in full control of Italy except those territories by the end of the war, but his government all has some continuity with the fascist government, so those territories are the Allies' price for recognising the new Italian government. Also, Illyria ITTL is painted by the Allies as "unwilling parts of a Serb-dominated Yugoslavia", just as Austria was considered to be "the first victim of Nazi aggression in Europe."
Price for recognizing the government?
First any government that do that will last a picosecond regardless of who is in charge, Umberto do that and can get for him, his family and the entire governmetn a ticket for any country that's not Italy.
Second the Allied already recognized the new italian government by being a cobelligerant post surrender,
Third why so generous with a willing Axis nation, because well Illirya is hardly more strategically important than Italy, quite the contrary? OTL it was a mix of faith accomplit by Tito that basically occupied all the territory included Trieste (from where he was evicted by the allies) and attempt to conquer favor from him by the American after his breack up with Stalin, here the
Fourth the Italian civil war was a limited sideshow of the italian front in WW2 aka the allied already controlled the entire place and any communist revolt don't have any chance and they know it (violence a lot but anyone in charge knows that a full attempt of revolution was a suicide), ITTL even more if the occupation of the westernallied force go further in Yugoslavia
Fifth as i said, there were enough worries that punish too much Italy will have created an hostile political enviroment, for this reason not only it was decided to not make it give up South Tyrol but all the partition plan hardly give Austria all that territory. Same reasoning go for Istria
I know I'm not the original author of the map, but it is important to note that most of the French and British colonies are also territories. It's possible that part of the federation process was giving up any colonies.
true, but I don't think Alaska would count as a colony? I just find it weird since most of the people there would see themselves as American.
This is a map for the year 2013 for the map game Iron Curtain Call: A 1992 Map Game by @Breme13 .
As a whole the world is currently stuck into a cold war between the Indo-Chinese Block and the rest of the world. South America is dominated by authoritative nations. The Algeria-Libya block dominate North Africa and have become major powers in their own right. Iran is under the Shaw again and is becoming increasingly Zoroastrian, while Indonesia/Nusantar is committing a mass genocide against several members of the nation including their conquests of Papua New Guinea. Mexico fell to the cartels after fighting a decades long war with the Zapatista and a worse economic situation leading to the creation of the Union of Development and Progress a alliance of minarchist or at least business oriented nations.
And so much more.
At the time, yes. Alaska was legally a colony, just like the Mariana Islands or Puerto Rico, regardless of whether the people felt like Americans.
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