Reconquista Basara: A 1632 Spanish-Tokugawa War TL
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Indeed. In 1609-1613. Dunno why I thought it took twenty years late when I wrote that.
What are the Chinese doing while the Japanese were wrecking havoc?
Arent the Chinese apart from the Spanish the greatest affected by this?
Or are the Spanish directly sending silver to Chinese ports? If not, wont the Chinese do something about a Japanese daimyo ruining their trade?
What about the locals in Luzon outside Manila? They are not harassing the Japanese? And the term locals here Malay-Austronesians, Chinese migrants and Creoles Spanish-Ameri-Indian migrants in terms of ethnicity who are in the provinces. They are very numerous compared to the 1,000 Spanish defending Manila also more numerous than the initial 6,000 Japanese.
There are a lot more military zones, organization outside Spanish fort in Manila that were organized by the Spanish before 1630s. These people can make a stand and resist due to lack of any infrastructure from one place to another in the absence of a port/boat and weather(hot, tropics, jungle and humid) the Japanese are not accustomed to.
What about the Cavite shipyards and laborers were they captured or escaped? Since these people both local indigenous, Chinese, Spanish, Spanish Ameri-Indian laborers were building Galleons there at that time, would quite pivotal if Shimabara captured them.
Arent the Chinese apart from the Spanish the greatest affected by this?
Or are the Spanish directly sending silver to Chinese ports? If not, wont the Chinese do something about a Japanese daimyo ruining their trade?
What about the locals in Luzon outside Manila? They are not harassing the Japanese? And the term locals here Malay-Austronesians, Chinese migrants and Creoles Spanish-Ameri-Indian migrants in terms of ethnicity who are in the provinces. They are very numerous compared to the 1,000 Spanish defending Manila also more numerous than the initial 6,000 Japanese.
There are a lot more military zones, organization outside Spanish fort in Manila that were organized by the Spanish before 1630s. These people can make a stand and resist due to lack of any infrastructure from one place to another in the absence of a port/boat and weather(hot, tropics, jungle and humid) the Japanese are not accustomed to.
What about the Cavite shipyards and laborers were they captured or escaped? Since these people both local indigenous, Chinese, Spanish, Spanish Ameri-Indian laborers were building Galleons there at that time, would quite pivotal if Shimabara captured them.
1. The Japanese control over Luzon is pretty much only Manila and the Cavite port itself, largely because they are quite unpopular. If anything...most of the locals are really governing themselves here, as neither the Spanish nor Japanese have the ability to exert power on them. The real problem with the Spanish is that although the locals are totally willing to cooperate to beat back any Japanese advances outside of their forts, outside of the criollos, they really aren't really eager to die to help the Spanish retake anything. So it's kind of a stalemate.
I also assume some locals, the ones who really don't like the Spanish, are actually siding with the Japanese, which is probably what the Spanish are really fearing.
2. Ming China, circa 1636, has uh, problems to say the least..
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Chapter 8 - The Papal Conspiracy of 1635 and the Battle of Vienna
The Papal Conspiracy of 1635 and the Battle of Vienna
Pope Urban VIII's foreign policy was also based more around securing the independence of the Papal States rather than supporting the interests of "continental Catholicism", as the Habsburgs often put it. By the 1635, with Swedish forces barreling down towards Vienna, their patience had begun to break. Upon hearing that Pope Urban VIII was unwilling to approve the marriage between Wladyslaw IV of Poland and (the Protestant) Elisabeth of the Palatinate, the Habsburg officially threw their support behind the conspiracy, various Spanish cardinals who weren't religious radicals, but were largely horrified by Urban VIII's massive expenditures on the arts and other worldly items.
The conspirators, aided by several Irish mercenaries that were originally planned to assassinate Wallenstein, instead raided the Vatican City and in an infamous affair, shot the Pope dead on the spot. It quickly became reported (unclear if it was true or not) that the last words of Pope Urban VIII was to absolve Emperor Ferdinand II of his murder. The murder of Urban VIII was officially blamed on the Protestants, but everyone knew that the Habsburgs had murdered the Pope as part of their ploy to ally with a Protestant power. In his place, Laudivio Zacchia was elected Pope Urban IX. Urban IX immediately restored the Papal finances and signed off on everything the Habsburgs needed signed off.
The irony was that Ferdinand was barely involved in the decision-making. The Emperor was so devastated by the death of his Crown Prince and what he saw as the impending doom of his Empire, that he had had fallen ill, dying during the Siege of Vienna and passing the throne onto his one-year old grandson, the new Ferdinand III of Austria and Hungary. The earlier deaths of Tilly and the defection of Wallenstein left a power vacuum and ultimate power fell down to Ferdinand's mother, the new regent, Maria Anna of Spain, who more or less was in close correspondence with the Spanish Olivares. The plot was very much as much of a Spanish plot as it was an Austrian plot.
This in particularly outraged the French, who had not expected the Habsburgs to go to such lengths. Urban IX, unlike Urban VIII, proved extremely hostile to the French, especially Cardinal Richelieu. Indeed, the Papal Conclave was held so quickly (making it more obvious that it had been a conspiracy), Richelieu had not even been able to view. The new Urban IX also refused to grant a Cardinalship to Richelieu's protege, Jules Mazarin. In fact, his first papal proclamation was widely viewed by Catholics as an implicit condemnation of Richelieu for his history in aiding the Protestants, which was somewhat hypocritical since the Habsburgs were also now working with Protestants.
The Habsburg machinations drew widespread disgust among devout European Catholics, but it would nonetheless help save the Habsburg Empire. In the Fall of 1635, 36,000 Austro-Polish troops arrived to relieve Vienna, where the Austrian royal family notably refused to flee even when the city came under siege in the Spring. Swedish forces had dwindled to 30,000 after the Protestant forces under the Palatinate abandoned the Swedish armies. Unprepared for the desertion of the Palatinate, Swedish forces left a flank crucially unguarded. Even though they shattered Habsburg troops that tried to attack the center, the Swedish forces fell apart after the Polish Hussars charged the flank formerly occupied by Palatinate forces. The famous charge of the Hussars shattered a Swedish army that struggled to pivot in time, allowing Polish Hussars to run down entire lines of poorly placed Swedish troops. In the aftermath, the Austro-Polish forces suffered 6,000 losses (largely newly-hired mercenaries) while the Swedish Army suffered over 10,000 (largely crack troops), shattering the siege of Vienna and sending the remnants of the Swedish Army fleeing back towards Bavaria.
Not soon after, the newly crowned King of Bohemia, Charles I Louis, declared in favor of the Habsburgs. This entire affair shocked the world, as the Thirty Years War had begun because of the Habsburg refusal to recognize the claim of his father, Frederick V, to the throne of Bohemia. In addition, Charles I Louis had more or less been crowned by the Swedes. However, to Maria Anna, losing Bohemia was better than losing Vienna. To Charles I Louis, he understood that the majority-Catholic nobles of Bohemia (as most of the Protestants had been chased out after the Battle of White Mountain) would never recognize his claim unless the Habsburgs also did, which they now did. As part of that deal, King Charles I Louis was required to repudiate the principle of cuius regio, eius religio - namely, he (and all future Kings of Bohemia) renounced the right to force their subjects to convert to anything, which caused most pragmatic Catholic nobles to accept his rule. Fascinatingly, this put Charles I Louis on the opposite side of the war as his brother, the new Count Palatinate, Rupert of the Rhine, who was still close to the English.
On one hand, the Habsburgs had managed to strike back and preserve their Empire. On the other hand, it caused many Catholic stalwarts to wonder what they were even fighting for. They had literally just murdered the Pope in order to put a Protestant on the throne of Bohemia, after spending over a decade lambasting Richelieu as a traitor to the Church for prioritizing national interest over sectarian interest.
Remember who the Crown of Bohemia is elective not hereditary... And the War of the 30 years started not because the Habsburg refuted to recognize the election of Frederick V but because they refuted to accept the power of the Bohemian parliament to remove a King who they had already elected during the life of the previous one (aka once an election happened the only ways in which the elected ruler can be replaced are his death or his abdication/renounce, not a deposition from the men who had elected him)
