WI: Ida of Boulogne marries John Lackland

kasumigenx

kasumigenx

On 1186, Ida of Boulogne is already widowed, she would work as a replacement for Isabella of Hainaut for Philip or a wife for John since he is landless, is a marriage between and her and John possible?
 
Clandango

Clandango

Shame the Wikipedia pages for Arnold II of Guines and his house are not in English, as it seems there was some courting going on between them, and he tried to save her when she was abducted. Now, there is going to need to be something John brings to this. Perhaps some lands in Kent or the Plantagenet portions of France. She doesn't have the hugest amount of land, but she had it in her own right, it is well placed for commerce, and she is the grandchild of King Stephen of England. Actually, given she was a Countess, perhaps she had a high level of count role over her lands. Anyways, her mother was abducted from a convent and forced to marry by a guy who took the title of Cint, even after the Church declared the marriage null and void. Probably helped by her immediately going back into the convent. I imagine that if John tries force it would queer the deal actually, not that that would matter if he got someone to take her hostage for him. Lookin it up, it seems John's dad disinherited (agains alaws and customs) the sisters of Isabella, Countess of Gloucester, and married her to John. When it was annulled, he kept the land. This would set a bit of a precedence, and I feel it might be grounds for war if the English King tried to take a French vassal prisoner and marry her to his son.

http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/england_france_1069_1135.htm
 
kasumigenx

kasumigenx

Clandango said:
Shame the Wikipedia pages for Arnold II of Guines and his house are not in English, as it seems there was some courting going on between them, and he tried to save her when she was abducted. Now, there is going to need to be something John brings to this. Perhaps some lands in Kent or the Plantagenet portions of France. She doesn't have the hugest amount of land, but she had it in her own right, it is well placed for commerce, and she is the grandchild of King Stephen of England. Actually, given she was a Countess, perhaps she had a high level of count role over her lands. Anyways, her mother was abducted from a convent and forced to marry by a guy who took the title of Cint, even after the Church declared the marriage null and void. Probably helped by her immediately going back into the convent. I imagine that if John tries force it would queer the deal actually, not that that would matter if he got someone to take her hostage for him. Lookin it up, it seems John's dad disinherited (agains alaws and customs) the sisters of Isabella, Countess of Gloucester, and married her to John. When it was annulled, he kept the land. This would set a bit of a precedence, and I feel it might be grounds for war if the English King tried to take a French vassal prisoner and marry her to his son.

http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/england_france_1069_1135.htm
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She is similar to Isabella of Angouleme and marrying her makes him a claimant better than his brothers.
 
The Professor

The Professor

kasumigenx said:
She is similar to Isabella of Angouleme and marrying her makes him a claimant better than his brothers.
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If that were true why the hell would Henry, who has personal experience of the Anarchy, or Richard arrange it in the first place? And once they are dead it's not needed anyway.
 
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