List alternate PMs or Presidents
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John Fredrick Parker
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Damn, he'd be perfect if not for his age -- that, and his whole dying in 1992...
True. But given Jerry Brown's age and the fact that he's the Governor of California now, age is not really that relevant.
John Fredrick Parker
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That's true, but if he's going to die soon anyway, I'd still need a Lt Governor, who... wait, the 1990 GOP Candidate for Lt Governor was Marian Bergeson, a mormon woman. That would make her the third person of her faith to hold a Governorship outside of Utah.
So between her and Peter Ueberroth, TTL's pattern has options...
So between her and Peter Ueberroth, TTL's pattern has options...
True. She'd also be the first woman to run California in your TL too.
Presidents of the Nordic Unity Coalition
1963-1966: Tage Erlander (Emergency)
1966-1969: Tage Erlander (Social Democrat)
1969-1972: Trygve Bratteli (Social Democrat)
1972-1975: Per Borten (Liberal with Conservative support)
1975-1981: Anker Jørgensen (Social Democrat)
1981-1987: Lars De Geer (Social Liberal with Conservative and Progressive support)
1987-1993: Åse Kleveland (Social Democrat with Progressive support)
1993-1996: Alf Svensson (Conservative with Liberal support)
1996-1999: Gerhard Schröder (Social Democrat with Radical support)
1999-2005: Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir (Social Democrat with Radical support)
2005-2011: Pia Kjærsgaard (National Conservative with Progressive and Liberal support)
2011-2020: Lena Sommestad (Social Democrat with Radical support)
Go on, try to guess POD and what the heck has been going on.
1963-1966: Tage Erlander (Emergency)
1966-1969: Tage Erlander (Social Democrat)
1969-1972: Trygve Bratteli (Social Democrat)
1972-1975: Per Borten (Liberal with Conservative support)
1975-1981: Anker Jørgensen (Social Democrat)
1981-1987: Lars De Geer (Social Liberal with Conservative and Progressive support)
1987-1993: Åse Kleveland (Social Democrat with Progressive support)
1993-1996: Alf Svensson (Conservative with Liberal support)
1996-1999: Gerhard Schröder (Social Democrat with Radical support)
1999-2005: Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir (Social Democrat with Radical support)
2005-2011: Pia Kjærsgaard (National Conservative with Progressive and Liberal support)
2011-2020: Lena Sommestad (Social Democrat with Radical support)
Go on, try to guess POD and what the heck has been going on.
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Truman authorizes the use of atomic bombs in the Korean War in 1951. With the front lines sated with radiation, the front collapses, allowing UN forces to drive Kim Il-Sung and his followers from Pyongyang and into the safe haven of China. With the Norks out of power, Syngman Rhee's government is recognized, and Korea is unified under the 'Republic of Korea' banner.
Presidents of the United States
1945-1957: Harry S. Truman (Democrat) [1]
1957-1965: Richard M. Nixon (Republican)
1965-1973: John F. Kennedy (Democrat) [2]
1973-1981: George Bush (Republican)
1981-1989: Robert F. Kennedy (Democrat)
1989-1997: Lloyd Bentsen (Democrat)
1997-2005: Colin Powell (Republican) [3]
2005-2009: George Voinovich (Republican)
2009-present: Bill Clinton (Democrat)
[1] Re-elected over Bob Taft in '52. Pretty successful third term.
[2] First Roman Catholic POTUS.
[3] First African-American POTUS.
Presidents of the United States
1945-1957: Harry S. Truman (Democrat) [1]
1957-1965: Richard M. Nixon (Republican)
1965-1973: John F. Kennedy (Democrat) [2]
1973-1981: George Bush (Republican)
1981-1989: Robert F. Kennedy (Democrat)
1989-1997: Lloyd Bentsen (Democrat)
1997-2005: Colin Powell (Republican) [3]
2005-2009: George Voinovich (Republican)
2009-present: Bill Clinton (Democrat)
[1] Re-elected over Bob Taft in '52. Pretty successful third term.
[2] First Roman Catholic POTUS.
[3] First African-American POTUS.
Too many PODs
Presidents of Brazil since the Redemocratization
1985-1988: Mário Andreazza (Democratic Social) [1]
1985-1990: Divaldo Suruagy (Democratic Social) [2]
1990-1992: Silvio Santos (Christian Democrat) [3]
1992-1995: José Sarney (Christian Democrat) [4]
1995-1999: Lula (Worker's)
1999-2004: Leonel Brizola (Labour) [5]
2004-2007: Ciro Gomes (Labour) [6]
2007-2011: Jarbas Vasconcellos (Democrat)
2011-present: Nelson Jobim (Democrat)
[1]Died in office
[2]Gained position on Andreazza's death
[3]Resigns
[4]Gained position on Silvio's resignation
[5]Amends the Constitution to allow him to be re-elected; died in office
[6]Gained position on Brizola's death
Presidents of Brazil since the Redemocratization
1985-1988: Mário Andreazza (Democratic Social) [1]
1985-1990: Divaldo Suruagy (Democratic Social) [2]
1990-1992: Silvio Santos (Christian Democrat) [3]
1992-1995: José Sarney (Christian Democrat) [4]
1995-1999: Lula (Worker's)
1999-2004: Leonel Brizola (Labour) [5]
2004-2007: Ciro Gomes (Labour) [6]
2007-2011: Jarbas Vasconcellos (Democrat)
2011-present: Nelson Jobim (Democrat)
[1]Died in office
[2]Gained position on Andreazza's death
[3]Resigns
[4]Gained position on Silvio's resignation
[5]Amends the Constitution to allow him to be re-elected; died in office
[6]Gained position on Brizola's death
In memoriam Rule Britannia.
The World Rule Britannia Wished For
1966: Enoch Powell (Conservative) [1]
1971: Enoch Powell (Conservative) [2]
1974: Enoch Powell (Conservative) [3]
1979: Enoch Powell (Conservative) [4]
1984: Enoch Powell (Conservative) [5]
1988: Enoch Powell (Conservative) [6]
1990: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) [7]
1995: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) [8]
2000: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) [9]
2004: William Hague (Conservative) [10]
2009: William Hague (Conservative) [11]
2014: William Hague (Conservative) [12]
2019: William Hague (Government) [13]
2020: William Hague (Government) [14]
2030: William Hague (Government) [15]
2034: Lewis Hill (Government) [16]
[1] Britain was not ready for Harold Wilson. After a disastrous two year parliament he sought to increase his desperately small majority and did so haphazardly. The result was a 90 seat majority for Powell's Conservatives, reinvigorated as they were by their new (since 1965) leader, who promised a 'more constructive decolonisation', whatever that was supposed to mean...
[2] With the successful abolition of income tax, the crushing of 'upstart' independence movements in the Empire and the Labour party hopelessly split over Conservative nuclear disarmament, Powell is returned in a landslide with a majority of 126.
[3] A snap election held ostensibly to ask the public if they wanted Powell's 'Citizenship Referendum' to go ahead but really to cash in on England's third successive World Cup win. The referendum goes ahead and easily passes, with the first Returns taking place on New Year's Day, 1975.
[4] After Ted Heath tried to lead rebellion against Powell another election was called over the issue of immigration, which has Powell returning on a majority of 140, as Powellites are now 80% of the Tory Party.
[5] The final deportation of the UK "coloured" population and the devastating Kenyan Ricin Bombings of the London Underground (some 30,000 dead) give Powell an even larger majority in this first 1980s election. British soldiers die the whole world round for the Empire.
[6] Powell extends his majority to 202 in the largest electoral landslide since 1931. This occured after the successful British invasion of Argentina, provoked by the latter's attack on the Falkland Islands. Argentina is turned into a British colony and renamed British Patagonia. The Labour Party is reduced to around 20 seats after leader Peter Shore is revealed to be a KGB spy, leaving the Liberals as the second largest party.
[7] Powell's most loyal acolyte and intensely popular Home Secretary Margaret Thatcher takes over after Powell suffers a minor heart attack which forces him to retire. He is immediately Knighted but refuses any further honours, saying his greatest regret is the number of 'British boys' who died in Argentina, something 'Cooler heads than mine could have prevented.
[8] The long overdue withdrawal from the remaining "colonies" and the devastated Argentina is completed to the world and UK's relief. Thatcher's majority is reduced to "just" 100. But things seem peachy for the new PM.
[9] After Powell's death, Tory poll rating boomed as the Opposition was divided between the old MP's and student members of the new Democracy Party and the middle-aged or young MP's who are trying to turn the party more to Powellism as a way of returning to power, Tony Blair being their leader. Britain's position is only maintained by having many puppet regimes in Africa along with a population, 'educated' to not question things like Britain getting good deals in trade.
[10] After the Prime Minister undergoes a hugely embarrassing memory failure at the Imperial Conference (going so far as to call the Prime Minister of Rhodesia 'Denis'), the Tories quickly depose her and bring up the best 'young blood' they have - charming, fiercely intelligent public speaker and long-serving Foreign and Colonial Secretary William Hague. Hague is seen as a capable man who may have been over-promoted so the Tories can have someone roughly of Blair's image and ability at the top of their party, and as the polls start to turn back towards the Conservatives, the gamble looks to have worked...
[11] Things progress as usual. The last rebels in Rhodesia are crushed.
[12] With Tony Blair having given up on national politics and become the first Democratic Mayor of London in time for the 2014 Imperial Games, the threats to the Tories have subsided. They are, quite literally, the party of government (indeed, some darker murmurings in the Tea Rooms suggest formally changing their name to the Government Party).
[13] The Government Party returns to power with another increase majority. The Social Mobility Containment Squads keep the nasty swarming masses under control in their squalid, fetid slums, while the Better Classes enjoy a life of British leisure.
[14] First government elected under the terms of the Ten Year Parliament Act.
[15] Hague announces he will retire on the 30th anniversary of his taking office, as by then he will have outlasted 'even the Grand Old Man himself'.
[16] The Government turns to young blood once again, with Police Minister Lewis Hill taking office at the age of 36 after numerous machinations behind the scenes and the unfortunate death of the Home Secretary at the height of the campaign. Hill promises a new age of Uniculturalism, an end to the blight of homosexuality and a 'big, open and comprehensive debate' on the re-introduction of slavery. Rule, Britannia is made the National Anthem.
The World Rule Britannia Wished For
1966: Enoch Powell (Conservative) [1]
1971: Enoch Powell (Conservative) [2]
1974: Enoch Powell (Conservative) [3]
1979: Enoch Powell (Conservative) [4]
1984: Enoch Powell (Conservative) [5]
1988: Enoch Powell (Conservative) [6]
1990: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) [7]
1995: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) [8]
2000: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative) [9]
2004: William Hague (Conservative) [10]
2009: William Hague (Conservative) [11]
2014: William Hague (Conservative) [12]
2019: William Hague (Government) [13]
2020: William Hague (Government) [14]
2030: William Hague (Government) [15]
2034: Lewis Hill (Government) [16]
[1] Britain was not ready for Harold Wilson. After a disastrous two year parliament he sought to increase his desperately small majority and did so haphazardly. The result was a 90 seat majority for Powell's Conservatives, reinvigorated as they were by their new (since 1965) leader, who promised a 'more constructive decolonisation', whatever that was supposed to mean...
[2] With the successful abolition of income tax, the crushing of 'upstart' independence movements in the Empire and the Labour party hopelessly split over Conservative nuclear disarmament, Powell is returned in a landslide with a majority of 126.
[3] A snap election held ostensibly to ask the public if they wanted Powell's 'Citizenship Referendum' to go ahead but really to cash in on England's third successive World Cup win. The referendum goes ahead and easily passes, with the first Returns taking place on New Year's Day, 1975.
[4] After Ted Heath tried to lead rebellion against Powell another election was called over the issue of immigration, which has Powell returning on a majority of 140, as Powellites are now 80% of the Tory Party.
[5] The final deportation of the UK "coloured" population and the devastating Kenyan Ricin Bombings of the London Underground (some 30,000 dead) give Powell an even larger majority in this first 1980s election. British soldiers die the whole world round for the Empire.
[6] Powell extends his majority to 202 in the largest electoral landslide since 1931. This occured after the successful British invasion of Argentina, provoked by the latter's attack on the Falkland Islands. Argentina is turned into a British colony and renamed British Patagonia. The Labour Party is reduced to around 20 seats after leader Peter Shore is revealed to be a KGB spy, leaving the Liberals as the second largest party.
[7] Powell's most loyal acolyte and intensely popular Home Secretary Margaret Thatcher takes over after Powell suffers a minor heart attack which forces him to retire. He is immediately Knighted but refuses any further honours, saying his greatest regret is the number of 'British boys' who died in Argentina, something 'Cooler heads than mine could have prevented.
[8] The long overdue withdrawal from the remaining "colonies" and the devastated Argentina is completed to the world and UK's relief. Thatcher's majority is reduced to "just" 100. But things seem peachy for the new PM.
[9] After Powell's death, Tory poll rating boomed as the Opposition was divided between the old MP's and student members of the new Democracy Party and the middle-aged or young MP's who are trying to turn the party more to Powellism as a way of returning to power, Tony Blair being their leader. Britain's position is only maintained by having many puppet regimes in Africa along with a population, 'educated' to not question things like Britain getting good deals in trade.
[10] After the Prime Minister undergoes a hugely embarrassing memory failure at the Imperial Conference (going so far as to call the Prime Minister of Rhodesia 'Denis'), the Tories quickly depose her and bring up the best 'young blood' they have - charming, fiercely intelligent public speaker and long-serving Foreign and Colonial Secretary William Hague. Hague is seen as a capable man who may have been over-promoted so the Tories can have someone roughly of Blair's image and ability at the top of their party, and as the polls start to turn back towards the Conservatives, the gamble looks to have worked...
[11] Things progress as usual. The last rebels in Rhodesia are crushed.
[12] With Tony Blair having given up on national politics and become the first Democratic Mayor of London in time for the 2014 Imperial Games, the threats to the Tories have subsided. They are, quite literally, the party of government (indeed, some darker murmurings in the Tea Rooms suggest formally changing their name to the Government Party).
[13] The Government Party returns to power with another increase majority. The Social Mobility Containment Squads keep the nasty swarming masses under control in their squalid, fetid slums, while the Better Classes enjoy a life of British leisure.
[14] First government elected under the terms of the Ten Year Parliament Act.
[15] Hague announces he will retire on the 30th anniversary of his taking office, as by then he will have outlasted 'even the Grand Old Man himself'.
[16] The Government turns to young blood once again, with Police Minister Lewis Hill taking office at the age of 36 after numerous machinations behind the scenes and the unfortunate death of the Home Secretary at the height of the campaign. Hill promises a new age of Uniculturalism, an end to the blight of homosexuality and a 'big, open and comprehensive debate' on the re-introduction of slavery. Rule, Britannia is made the National Anthem.
It's his real name, he revealed it in his 'Winds of Change' TL (where, appropriately, he was PM in the 1950s).
Let's Go Old-Style New Dealism
31. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) 1933-1945*
32. Harry S Truman (D-MO) 1945-1957
33. Richard Nixon (R-CA) 1957-1961
34. Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY) 1961-1963*
35. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) 1963-1973
36. Hubert Humphrey (D-MN) 1973-1977
33. Richard Nixon (R-CA) 1977-1981
37. Ronald Reagan (D-CA) 1981-1987*
38. Edward M. Kennedy(D-MA) 1987-1997
39. Lynn Morley Martin (R-IL) 1997-2003*
40. Will Blythe (R-AR) 2003-2013
Let's Go Old-Style Conservatism
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) 1933-1945*
33. James F. Byrnes (D-SC) 1945-1949
34. Thomas Dewey (R-NY) 1949-1957
35. Earl Warren (R-CA) 1957-1964*
36. Nile Kinnick (R-IA) 1964-1973
37. Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY) 1973-1981
38. Richard Nixon (R-CA) 1981-1985*
39. John Connally (R-TX) 1985-1993
38. Edward M. Kennedy (R-MA) 1993-2001
39. Will Blythe (R-AR) 2001-2007*
40. N. J. Ford II (R-TN) 2007-
31. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) 1933-1945*
32. Harry S Truman (D-MO) 1945-1957
33. Richard Nixon (R-CA) 1957-1961
34. Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY) 1961-1963*
35. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) 1963-1973
36. Hubert Humphrey (D-MN) 1973-1977
33. Richard Nixon (R-CA) 1977-1981
37. Ronald Reagan (D-CA) 1981-1987*
38. Edward M. Kennedy(D-MA) 1987-1997
39. Lynn Morley Martin (R-IL) 1997-2003*
40. Will Blythe (R-AR) 2003-2013
Let's Go Old-Style Conservatism
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) 1933-1945*
33. James F. Byrnes (D-SC) 1945-1949
34. Thomas Dewey (R-NY) 1949-1957
35. Earl Warren (R-CA) 1957-1964*
36. Nile Kinnick (R-IA) 1964-1973
37. Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY) 1973-1981
38. Richard Nixon (R-CA) 1981-1985*
39. John Connally (R-TX) 1985-1993
38. Edward M. Kennedy (R-MA) 1993-2001
39. Will Blythe (R-AR) 2001-2007*
40. N. J. Ford II (R-TN) 2007-
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Homo Sapiens Sapiens
Banned
Rockefeller Republicanism Without Rockefeller in the White House
1968: George Romney/Gerald Ford
1972: George Romney/Gerald Ford
1976: Robert Kennedy/Terry Sanford
1980: Gerald Ford/John Lindsay
1980: Gerald Ford/John Lindsay
1968: George Romney/Gerald Ford
1972: George Romney/Gerald Ford
1976: Robert Kennedy/Terry Sanford
1980: Gerald Ford/John Lindsay
1980: Gerald Ford/John Lindsay
Callaghan goes to the country in '78
1976: Jim Callaghan (Labour) (1978, 1982)
1985: Denis Healey (Labour) (1986)
1991: Michael Heseltine (Conservative) (1990, 1995)
1999: Gordon Brown (Labour) (1999)
2004: William Hague (Conservative) (2004, 2009)
2011: Jack Straw (Labour) (2011)
1976: Jim Callaghan (Labour) (1978, 1982)
1985: Denis Healey (Labour) (1986)
1991: Michael Heseltine (Conservative) (1990, 1995)
1999: Gordon Brown (Labour) (1999)
2004: William Hague (Conservative) (2004, 2009)
2011: Jack Straw (Labour) (2011)
Thande
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Does this TL still have the Falklands War in '82? Because otherwise I can't see Labour staying in power for that long.
Yep.
Opinion polls in early '82 have Labour around eight points behind the tories, but then the Falklands War happens which results in a surge of support for the government and with that boost Callaghan goes to the country early and defeats Thatcher's Conservatives once again (she barely managed to hold on after '78, but after '82 she was toast).
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