If Ares is right Xwarq I won't be happy because I was going to have the Saxons do the same thing in SfL...
I guess great minds think a like.
Remnants of Rome
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So when may we expect an update? And what is the religious status of India at this time? Has Yoharid proselytization been any more successful than Muslim attempts? Also, (I'm not very knowledgeable at all on this) have the Vikings begun to move out of Scandinavia yet or really done anything? Is Scandinavia Christian?
Here's my idea for a compromise:
I could live with that compromise, but it is realy up to Xwarq to say
Earl_of_Somerset
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I could live with that compromise, but it is realy up to Xwarq to say
Now for Xwarq do decide what to do....
If General_Finely wins i might just have to spam angry faces
(Im kidding)
whatever Xwarq's decision is it would be logical so ill support whatver it is
This gives me aIf General_Finely wins i might just have to spam angry faces
considering I try hard.Earl_of_Somerset
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This gives me a
I was referencing Ares96, im not against your position at all. I'm not entirely sure what the heck were arguing about
Constantinople
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Im generally confused on the state of the east. Is there another religion going on, or did the original Zoharist state just collapse really fast? Is there a patriarch in any of the five original patriarchates?
Think of the Caliphate. Several formed and collapsed. They were still Muslim. In this way, pretty much all territories that were owned by Zoharists have at least a large minority of Zoharists.
There's no 'Patriarch' but there is a Pater of Nomitrope/Nomitropo Christianity who operates in Nea Romi ('Constantinople'). The other Patriarchs are gone though the King of Makuria is now the Pater of Makurian Christianity which is a branch of Nomitrope Christianity.
How much has Sub-Saharan Africa been affected by TTL differing from OTL? And BTW, when can we expect an update? PLEASE make it soon, this is my favorite TL and I can't wait for more.
yea, when i saw this on the ticket for best ancient (i had nominated it for medieval) i realized how utterly screwed i was... IT'S JUST SO GOOD!!!
How much has Sub-Saharan Africa been affected by TTL differing from OTL? And BTW, when can we expect an update? PLEASE make it soon, this is my favorite TL and I can't wait for more.
couldnt agree with you more
NORTHMENN
Prior to the settlement of far southern Northland by the Angelanders, the Northmenn were separated into hundreds of different clans and tribes, many of which were allied, in alliances containing dozens of tribes each, and quarreled and fought with bordering clans and tribes for the limited food resources of Northland. When the Angelanders arrived in Northland, the Northmenn--well, the leaders of the various clans and tribes, at least--realized that they could no longer fight amongst each other as frequently as they once did, and that they would have to work together against this new advanced foe from the south.
They inevitably fought and divided themselves, perhaps as much as they did before. But yet Northland was still changed forever. The aforementioned alliances became federations and the chiefs of the various tribes were candidates to be elected as High Kings who led the federations in their entirety. And so Northland, formerly split into countless chiefdoms, was then conglomerated into a few relatively-united political entities. By 638, Västgaötarland, Østgaötarland, Væringsvíarland, and the Kingdom of Nordheim existed as relatively-united confederations led by elected High Kings.
Northland was not the only land that would become the site of new civilizations and kingdoms. The lands to the east of Northland, across the Sea of Magyar [1], which had been the home of a people calling themselves the Zuomemi [2] for some time, saw the birth of two new Qayanates--of Zuomemi. One was known as the Qayanate of Poškanen Zuomemi [3], with its capital at Stuad, and the other was the Qayanate of Etelänen Zuomemi [4], with its capital at Ani. It is notable to know and consider, however, that the Poškanen Zuomemi were considerably more spread-out and pastoral than the Etelänen Zuomemi, due to their more northern location, and whether any Zuomemi were civilized was debated by outsiders for a century or two after the formation of the two Qayanates. (A sizable minority of modern historians also believe that the Qayanates may have come into existence much later than the 630s, perhaps even as late as the early 700s--and a much smaller minority believes the Qayanates may have been established much, much earlier, the earliest estimate being 570. However, the majority of historians concede that the two Zuomemi Qayanates were established in the 630s, and the writings of several Mediatempene historians support this.)
Ange-Land also settled further into Northland during the 630s and early 640s.
At this time, the SPQR’s African provinces were quite stable. Barbarians no longer lived north of the Atlas mountains or near the coast. But they still lived in the more arid regions to the south, and, by the 630s, these peoples had been pestering the Romans off-and-on for some time. They were defeated easily and consistently, and were actually probably useful, as new recruits in the African provinces could fight the barbarians to gain some battle experience before heading off to fight some rebellion elsewhere or fight in a possible war with one of the SPQR’s enemies. But the existence of these nomadic peoples had stunted the trans-Saharan trade for some time, and that gave Flavius Aemilius Lusitanius Tiranus and Flavius Aus Johanes Tiranus, the Flavitirani in the year 631, an excuse to waste some treasury money on conquest.
As a result, the two Flavitirani commenced an invasion in that year, and a dozen-and-a-half legions attacked said southern peoples. They were reelected as Flavitirani until 643, which is also when the war came to its completion. By the time it was completed, the SPQR had established a new political division, the serve [5], two such serves (Gaetulia and Garamantia) were annexed (the latter unfairly, for the Garamantes ‘minded their own business’, not disrupting Roman trade, and were not at all barbarians) into the Empire Consulate, and a new people, the Kingdom of Koumbi Saleh, known as Kumbisalia to the Romans, was contacted. Koumbi Saleh, a center of African civilization, would prosper for many years by trading to the Romans. In Gaetulia and Garamantia, forts were built to protect trade and secure the SPQR’s hold on those serves.
In his time, Kyrios Konstantinos Xioktos was not considered to be a new Alexander or a spiritual successor to Alexander or anything of the sort, mostly because Alexander was pagan and both the Zoharists and Nomitrope Christians did not like paganism, for it reminded them of the time, as Salathelan Roman poet and historian of the time wrote, “before Christianity, before Zoharism, before Rome, before Nea Romi, before glory, before civilization”. But Mégas Aléxandros, Alexander the Great, Alexander Magnus, however one would like to put it, is perhaps the most fitting name for that great Vahshil, other than, well, Kyrios Konstantinos Xioktos.
Indeed. A Salathelan legend tells of Kyrios Xioktos cutting the Knot of Zohar Yehudah’s Noose. The legend states that no one could untie the knot, but Kyrios Xioktos managed to slice it, and Ahura came down to him and decreed that, for his Christ, he would become the Vahshil of Persia. The legend is almost certainly false, but it has remarkable similarities with the legend of Alexander and the Gordian Knot. But there are numerous other similarities between Vahshil Kaisaros Xioktos and Alexander the Great, one being the direct conquest of most of Greece except for the far south. Another being the conquest of Persia.
In 631, the Salathelan Roman Vahshilate invaded Epir. 50,000 sarbai and 40,000 Zoharist troops charged into the small Slavic state, aiming to siege Dyrrhachion. After the invasion of both Dardanski and Epir, Atinija saw that the Salathelans aimed to conquer all of Greece; therefore, they came to the aid of Epir, in the hope that an alliance of all states in Greece could fight back the invaders. As soon as the Salathelans learned of the Atinijan declaration of war, 20,000 of the Zoharist troops and 10,000 of the sarbai who headed to Epir instead invaded Makedonzja. Meanwhile, a massive fleet carried 20,000 sarbai and 45,000 Zoharist troops across the Aegean to attack Atinija directly.
Epir, Makedonzja, and Atinija were devastated by the Vahshilate in only a few short years. Epir surrendered in mid 632, Makedonzja in early 633, and Atinija in late 633. Akaja, former puppet of Atinija, was now free, but not for long. A combined army of at least 120,000 troops charged into Akaja. Several towns were taken without a fight, for they were so fearful of the invaders. The king of Akaja, Vladezmykuskyi III, led an unknown number of Akajan troops into battle against the Vahshilate, but surrendered as soon as he saw the massive, almost endless army of the Salathelan Romans. Akaja was made into a puppet state rather than incorporated directly into the Vahshilate, and its size was increased to include the whole Peloponnese peninsula.
Throughout 634, Xioktos assembled a massive army and had his best generals plan a massive attack into the Kyrghiz Horde. Unfortunately for the Kyrghiz, and fortunately for the Salathelans, rebellions were breaking out across Persia. In 635, 155,000 Salathelan troops invaded Persia, split into three groups. General Abas-Zeno led the northern group of 30,000 Zoharist troops and charged east towards Baku, the central group of 50,000 sarbai and 20,000 Zoharist troops led by Kyrios Xioktos himself headed southeast and east to Ekbatana, and the southern group of 20,000 Zoharist troops led by general Bahram ventured southeast down Mesopotamia. Later, a fourth army of 15,000 sarbai and 20,000 Zoharist troops led by Anastasios Cosmatos followed the southern group.
The armies of Kyrios Xioktos and Bahram converged at Singara in November 635. Bahram’s army stayed to siege and Kyrios Xioktos headed east towards Ekbatana and the core of Persia. However the Kyrghiz had expected an immediate assault down Mesopotamia, and the Qayan of the Kyrghiz at the time, Jyrghal II, massed forces to fight Bahram and protect Singara. Battle raged for weeks and was mostly in Kyrghiz favor. Anastasios Cosmatos’ reinforcements turned the tide of the battle, however, and Jyrghal II’s forces were forced to retreat mere days after their arrival. The northern group of Salathelan forces fought small bands of mercenaries that the Kyrghiz had hired and easily made their way to Baku.
Xioktos conquered Ekbatana in 638 after a long siege and several attacks from Kyrghiz armies, including Jyrghal II’s horde. Baku was captured by Salathelans. Bahram’s army had conquered everything in surprisingly-weakly-defended Mesopotamia northwest of Ctesiphon. Two of the Salathelan army groups then charged east through Persia, and Bahram sieged Ctesiphon. Kyrios Xioktos made a heroic charge east all the way to Isfahan, Persepolis, Ben-Ardaschir, and Kandahar, then turned north and northwest to Herat and Nischapur, and finally northeast to Samarkand. Samarkand was captured in 645. Fighting continued for a few more years, and in December 647, the Kyrghiz Horde surrendered, and its territories in their entirety were annexed into the Salathelan Roman Vahshilate. By July 648, all resistance was defeated, even the rebels who had rebelled against the Kyrghiz before the Salathelan invasion had even began, and Persia was stabilized as a possession of the Vahshilate.
In following years, Kyrios Konstantinos Xioktos would expand his territories even further, barbarian peoples would raid Southeast Asia, and Yamato would fall into turmoil.
[1] The Sea of Magyar, or Magyaric Sea, is the Baltic Sea. It is also known as the East Sea or Northeast Sea.
[2] Zuomemi are basically the Finns--Suomi. Suomi derives from ‘suoniemi’ or ‘zeme’. Note however that the Zuomemi are not quite Finns, with sizable Estonian, Ugric, Slavic, Türükic, and Taurikegutan influences.
[3] Poškanen Zuomemi: North Zuomemi
[4] Etelänen Zuomemi: South Zuomemi
[5] The serve (servius in Latin) was basically a territory, but had not little but absolutely no political influence on the rest of the Empire-Consulate, existed not primarily but only for the purpose of exploitation, and was directly owned by one of the two Flavitirani.
Prior to the settlement of far southern Northland by the Angelanders, the Northmenn were separated into hundreds of different clans and tribes, many of which were allied, in alliances containing dozens of tribes each, and quarreled and fought with bordering clans and tribes for the limited food resources of Northland. When the Angelanders arrived in Northland, the Northmenn--well, the leaders of the various clans and tribes, at least--realized that they could no longer fight amongst each other as frequently as they once did, and that they would have to work together against this new advanced foe from the south.
They inevitably fought and divided themselves, perhaps as much as they did before. But yet Northland was still changed forever. The aforementioned alliances became federations and the chiefs of the various tribes were candidates to be elected as High Kings who led the federations in their entirety. And so Northland, formerly split into countless chiefdoms, was then conglomerated into a few relatively-united political entities. By 638, Västgaötarland, Østgaötarland, Væringsvíarland, and the Kingdom of Nordheim existed as relatively-united confederations led by elected High Kings.
Northland was not the only land that would become the site of new civilizations and kingdoms. The lands to the east of Northland, across the Sea of Magyar [1], which had been the home of a people calling themselves the Zuomemi [2] for some time, saw the birth of two new Qayanates--of Zuomemi. One was known as the Qayanate of Poškanen Zuomemi [3], with its capital at Stuad, and the other was the Qayanate of Etelänen Zuomemi [4], with its capital at Ani. It is notable to know and consider, however, that the Poškanen Zuomemi were considerably more spread-out and pastoral than the Etelänen Zuomemi, due to their more northern location, and whether any Zuomemi were civilized was debated by outsiders for a century or two after the formation of the two Qayanates. (A sizable minority of modern historians also believe that the Qayanates may have come into existence much later than the 630s, perhaps even as late as the early 700s--and a much smaller minority believes the Qayanates may have been established much, much earlier, the earliest estimate being 570. However, the majority of historians concede that the two Zuomemi Qayanates were established in the 630s, and the writings of several Mediatempene historians support this.)
Ange-Land also settled further into Northland during the 630s and early 640s.
At this time, the SPQR’s African provinces were quite stable. Barbarians no longer lived north of the Atlas mountains or near the coast. But they still lived in the more arid regions to the south, and, by the 630s, these peoples had been pestering the Romans off-and-on for some time. They were defeated easily and consistently, and were actually probably useful, as new recruits in the African provinces could fight the barbarians to gain some battle experience before heading off to fight some rebellion elsewhere or fight in a possible war with one of the SPQR’s enemies. But the existence of these nomadic peoples had stunted the trans-Saharan trade for some time, and that gave Flavius Aemilius Lusitanius Tiranus and Flavius Aus Johanes Tiranus, the Flavitirani in the year 631, an excuse to waste some treasury money on conquest.
As a result, the two Flavitirani commenced an invasion in that year, and a dozen-and-a-half legions attacked said southern peoples. They were reelected as Flavitirani until 643, which is also when the war came to its completion. By the time it was completed, the SPQR had established a new political division, the serve [5], two such serves (Gaetulia and Garamantia) were annexed (the latter unfairly, for the Garamantes ‘minded their own business’, not disrupting Roman trade, and were not at all barbarians) into the Empire Consulate, and a new people, the Kingdom of Koumbi Saleh, known as Kumbisalia to the Romans, was contacted. Koumbi Saleh, a center of African civilization, would prosper for many years by trading to the Romans. In Gaetulia and Garamantia, forts were built to protect trade and secure the SPQR’s hold on those serves.
In his time, Kyrios Konstantinos Xioktos was not considered to be a new Alexander or a spiritual successor to Alexander or anything of the sort, mostly because Alexander was pagan and both the Zoharists and Nomitrope Christians did not like paganism, for it reminded them of the time, as Salathelan Roman poet and historian of the time wrote, “before Christianity, before Zoharism, before Rome, before Nea Romi, before glory, before civilization”. But Mégas Aléxandros, Alexander the Great, Alexander Magnus, however one would like to put it, is perhaps the most fitting name for that great Vahshil, other than, well, Kyrios Konstantinos Xioktos.
Indeed. A Salathelan legend tells of Kyrios Xioktos cutting the Knot of Zohar Yehudah’s Noose. The legend states that no one could untie the knot, but Kyrios Xioktos managed to slice it, and Ahura came down to him and decreed that, for his Christ, he would become the Vahshil of Persia. The legend is almost certainly false, but it has remarkable similarities with the legend of Alexander and the Gordian Knot. But there are numerous other similarities between Vahshil Kaisaros Xioktos and Alexander the Great, one being the direct conquest of most of Greece except for the far south. Another being the conquest of Persia.
In 631, the Salathelan Roman Vahshilate invaded Epir. 50,000 sarbai and 40,000 Zoharist troops charged into the small Slavic state, aiming to siege Dyrrhachion. After the invasion of both Dardanski and Epir, Atinija saw that the Salathelans aimed to conquer all of Greece; therefore, they came to the aid of Epir, in the hope that an alliance of all states in Greece could fight back the invaders. As soon as the Salathelans learned of the Atinijan declaration of war, 20,000 of the Zoharist troops and 10,000 of the sarbai who headed to Epir instead invaded Makedonzja. Meanwhile, a massive fleet carried 20,000 sarbai and 45,000 Zoharist troops across the Aegean to attack Atinija directly.
Epir, Makedonzja, and Atinija were devastated by the Vahshilate in only a few short years. Epir surrendered in mid 632, Makedonzja in early 633, and Atinija in late 633. Akaja, former puppet of Atinija, was now free, but not for long. A combined army of at least 120,000 troops charged into Akaja. Several towns were taken without a fight, for they were so fearful of the invaders. The king of Akaja, Vladezmykuskyi III, led an unknown number of Akajan troops into battle against the Vahshilate, but surrendered as soon as he saw the massive, almost endless army of the Salathelan Romans. Akaja was made into a puppet state rather than incorporated directly into the Vahshilate, and its size was increased to include the whole Peloponnese peninsula.
Throughout 634, Xioktos assembled a massive army and had his best generals plan a massive attack into the Kyrghiz Horde. Unfortunately for the Kyrghiz, and fortunately for the Salathelans, rebellions were breaking out across Persia. In 635, 155,000 Salathelan troops invaded Persia, split into three groups. General Abas-Zeno led the northern group of 30,000 Zoharist troops and charged east towards Baku, the central group of 50,000 sarbai and 20,000 Zoharist troops led by Kyrios Xioktos himself headed southeast and east to Ekbatana, and the southern group of 20,000 Zoharist troops led by general Bahram ventured southeast down Mesopotamia. Later, a fourth army of 15,000 sarbai and 20,000 Zoharist troops led by Anastasios Cosmatos followed the southern group.
The armies of Kyrios Xioktos and Bahram converged at Singara in November 635. Bahram’s army stayed to siege and Kyrios Xioktos headed east towards Ekbatana and the core of Persia. However the Kyrghiz had expected an immediate assault down Mesopotamia, and the Qayan of the Kyrghiz at the time, Jyrghal II, massed forces to fight Bahram and protect Singara. Battle raged for weeks and was mostly in Kyrghiz favor. Anastasios Cosmatos’ reinforcements turned the tide of the battle, however, and Jyrghal II’s forces were forced to retreat mere days after their arrival. The northern group of Salathelan forces fought small bands of mercenaries that the Kyrghiz had hired and easily made their way to Baku.
Xioktos conquered Ekbatana in 638 after a long siege and several attacks from Kyrghiz armies, including Jyrghal II’s horde. Baku was captured by Salathelans. Bahram’s army had conquered everything in surprisingly-weakly-defended Mesopotamia northwest of Ctesiphon. Two of the Salathelan army groups then charged east through Persia, and Bahram sieged Ctesiphon. Kyrios Xioktos made a heroic charge east all the way to Isfahan, Persepolis, Ben-Ardaschir, and Kandahar, then turned north and northwest to Herat and Nischapur, and finally northeast to Samarkand. Samarkand was captured in 645. Fighting continued for a few more years, and in December 647, the Kyrghiz Horde surrendered, and its territories in their entirety were annexed into the Salathelan Roman Vahshilate. By July 648, all resistance was defeated, even the rebels who had rebelled against the Kyrghiz before the Salathelan invasion had even began, and Persia was stabilized as a possession of the Vahshilate.
In following years, Kyrios Konstantinos Xioktos would expand his territories even further, barbarian peoples would raid Southeast Asia, and Yamato would fall into turmoil.
[1] The Sea of Magyar, or Magyaric Sea, is the Baltic Sea. It is also known as the East Sea or Northeast Sea.
[2] Zuomemi are basically the Finns--Suomi. Suomi derives from ‘suoniemi’ or ‘zeme’. Note however that the Zuomemi are not quite Finns, with sizable Estonian, Ugric, Slavic, Türükic, and Taurikegutan influences.
[3] Poškanen Zuomemi: North Zuomemi
[4] Etelänen Zuomemi: South Zuomemi
[5] The serve (servius in Latin) was basically a territory, but had not little but absolutely no political influence on the rest of the Empire-Consulate, existed not primarily but only for the purpose of exploitation, and was directly owned by one of the two Flavitirani.
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