AHC: Native American power in North America

Hiw to create a msjor power in North America that..
1.Covers at least midern US territory
2. Speaks a Native American language
3. Is majority Native American in genetucs
 
A surviving Aztec Empire that expands north across Northern Mexico into the American Southwest. As for actual U.S. Native Americans, I could see some Native American buffer states if France keeps Canada and Louisiana.
 
Covers modern US territory, sea to sea? Gonna be tough to do that without genocide, given the diversity that entails.

Having it just on some territory of the OTL US is easier--the Iroquois are one of the best candidates for that.
 
If Vikings or Polynesians bring domestic animals to the New World (and the plagues that come with them!), the Natives won't have 90% of their population killed by plague. That will allow the natives to survive in significant numbers, which will in turn be enough to force an independence movement from the Spanish.

 
Maybe a situation where the Louisiana Purchase is more heavily disputed and the War of 1812 drags on longer than in otl. I'm imagining a scenario where France, Spain, Britain, Mexico and the United States all maintain claims to the area and fight over the land and resources. That turns into a bloody stalemate and in the final peace settlement the larger powers carve up the land as best they can while at the same time creating one or more Native American buffer states as a means of keeping the peace. In time this state or states will industrialize and modernize. Under the best of circumstances they can play the bigger nations against each other.
 
Certain Native American confederacies learn iron forging from norse settlers and start raising live stock like pigs or cattle along with the introduction of new farming tools, you can end up with a nice sized tribal army with iron axes and a population boom supported by a bigger food surplus, and wait a few centuries as it might centralize to be more closely knit than a loose confederacy, then boom, new world Empire.

(Like in my timeline, American Viking)
 
So the chances of a single ethnic/tribal identity ruling over that much land seems extremely implausible. For it to work, you would need either:

A) A patchwork of coalitions/confederacies.
B) A Mongol like tribe with the military strength to enforce vassalage among its conquered people.
C) A tribe that goes full on NeoAssyria and destroys the identities of its conquered peoples by dispersing them throughout the empire.

For option A, this is probably the easiest to attain without major pods, but the least likely to succeed. Option B and C most likely require a surviving American horse population.


Keep in mind the continental United States is extremely large compared to that of European nation states.
 
I could potentially see a Comanche state emerging if there's a Mexico strong enough to go at it with an alt-USA that manages to peeve Britain off in the process and find itself surrounded by enemies.
 
Stabilize and centralize the Middle Mississippian culture. Improve trade and take additional inspiration on warfare from Mesoamerica. Allow it to further develop or ideally expand to the Rockies and unite roughly half to 2/3 of OTL US under one native american polity.
 
Certain Native American confederacies learn iron forging from norse settlers and start raising live stock like pigs or cattle along with the introduction of new farming tools, you can end up with a nice sized tribal army with iron axes and a population boom supported by a bigger food surplus, and wait a few centuries as it might centralize to be more closely knit than a loose confederacy, then boom, new world Empire.

(Like in my timeline, American Viking)
Nice.
 
A British America is a different dynamic from US-Canada. An example of that would be a different pattern of migration, leaving the prairies less settled.
I see no reason why that would happen. There's simply too much money to be made off of settlement to allow it.
 
What about this?

A Norse colony is established somewehre in IOTL New England around 950-1000 AD.

The colony allows Native Americans to get familiar with iron, the wheel, European crops and farm animals and other things. Of course disease also strikes them.

When Europeans arrive around 1500 they meet Native Americasn that have iron weapons and armor, horses and are immune to diseases. Much higher nut to crack.
 
What about this?

A Norse colony is established somewehre in IOTL New England around 950-1000 AD.

The colony allows Native Americans to get familiar with iron, the wheel, European crops and farm animals and other things. Of course disease also strikes them.

When Europeans arrive around 1500 they meet Native Americasn that have iron weapons and armor, horses and are immune to diseases. Much higher nut to crack.
The problem with the Norse option has is that in the 11th century Scandinavia (and to a large extent Northern Europe) is relatively disease free still - particularly the big killers like smallpox and measles. An early introduction of whooping cough will save some lives in the Americas, but without contact lasting until roughly the 13th century the Americas are still going to be devastated by later disease influx.
 
Literally anyone that could enter the Americas without good transoceanic ships and routes would be themselves be relatively isolated from the bulk of the diseases, Polynesians, Icelanders and Siberians all share having small population sizes and being geographically peripherical.
Also for Siberians and Icelanders the region of contact would itself be a low density region far from population centers, insofar as it's weak contact.

This frankly applies to horses and iron working too.
 
Literally anyone that could enter the Americas without good transoceanic ships and routes would be themselves be relatively isolated from the bulk of the diseases, Polynesians, Icelanders and Siberians all share having small population sizes and being geographically peripherical.
Also for Siberians and Icelanders the region of contact would itself be a low density region far from population centers, insofar as it's weak contact.

This frankly applies to horses and iron working too.
Absolutely. The issue with contact from most of the likely candidate is that they're both small and peripheral. Its even worse when you consider the proposed contact times are usually short. For disease spread to occur in a way that isn't going to devastate the Americas you need sustained contact with Afro-Eurasia, and you also need it to be a slow enough contact so the Americas aren't outright conquered.

North America has an even bigger problem in this proposal however, which is that population densities are already low, so you have to address not only contact but also changing the demography in North America so as to have a large population base. Truthfully, getting the slowed rate of contact is probably the easiest part. The Americas didn't have to get swallowed up by Europe as fast as it did and any number of changes can occur which make conquest less appealing. The big issue is changing the demographic base of North America, which needs a PoD going quite a ways back in order for a region like Mesoamerica or the Andes to develop.
 
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immune to diseases.
The problem with the Norse option has is that in the 11th century Scandinavia (and to a large extent Northern Europe) is relatively disease free still - particularly the big killers like smallpox and measles. An early introduction of whooping cough will save some lives in the Americas, but without contact lasting until roughly the 13th century the Americas are still going to be devastated by later disease influx.
Diseases change over time as well, so what strain the populace has become used to will not necessarily guarantee a immune Native American population. However, with the introduction of isolated domesticated animals, the Europeans could deal with devastating outbreaks of New World strains of illness that they haven't come in contact with before. Just a thought
 
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