The problem with Marguerite of Angoulême marrying William is who he is not the best offer she had... so a wedding for them would require Peter of Bourbon or Montpensier living longer, keeping Suzanne of Bourbon for Alençon...

I agree that William was not the best offer she had, but it would be the one that Louis XII makes in this as he feels like the Spanish are surrounding him and wants to weather their influence in England.

Though, I wouldn’t mind having Suzanne of Bourbon still alive as with a mother as fierce as hers it would be interesting to see what becomes of her.
 
If Arthur dies on cue, then William is Catherine's most likely future husband. He's thirteen in 1502, so they can marry in 1505 when he's 16-17.
 
I agree that William was not the best offer she had, but it would be the one that Louis XII makes in this as he feels like the Spanish are surrounding him and wants to weather their influence in England.

Though, I wouldn’t mind having Suzanne of Bourbon still alive as with a mother as fierce as hers it would be interesting to see what becomes of her.
Suzanne lived longer, only she married the cousin who normally would have inherited her father’s lands after the death of both her father and his brother. Without both deaths she would marry Alencon, who was a great favorite of Louis XII. Alençon is a better match than York for Marguerite but with him already married to a great heiress, the choice is between York and Narbonne (aka Louis XII’s Navarrese nephew) and York can get her.

If Arthur dies on cue, then William is Catherine's most likely future husband. He's thirteen in 1502, so they can marry in 1505 when he's 16-17.
They will marry in early 1504 when he would be 14 not later or we will be in the OTL situation between Henry and Catherine (and the topic in which we were talking about that scenario is the other)
 
Chapter 1 - 1502
Westminster Palace, London, England
January 15th 1502


Henry VII, King of England, Ireland and France, gritted his teeth together as he reread the letter from King Ferdinand of Aragon, again arguing for the reducement of Catalina's dowry in the wake of the betrothal of Prince William Tudor, Duke of York to Marguerite of Angoulême. The Aragonese King said that the betrothal lessened the value of an English alliance for him, as would divide their loyalties with his enemy; Henry differed in opinion, after all, it was Ferdinand's daughter who would be the future Queen of England - not a cousin of the King of France.

The King's Mother, the Lady Margaret, had let out an undignified snort when she leaned over to read the letter over his shoulder, "England is not a charity," his proud mother proclaimed, "we will not make his daughter a Queen for what - 100,000 ducats. I do not even like the girl, she is too arrogant."

In his frustration at Ferdinand's letter, Henry almost snapped at his mother's unfounded dislike - the girl barely spoke any English whatsoever, and her pronunciation of Latin made it so that many could not understand her, so how his mother had spoke to her enough to know she was arrogant he did not know. However, he quickly schooled that impulse. His mother had a good mind for politics, one that he could use, alienating her would not help his case. Instead, he inquired, "what do you propose we do, mother?"

The Countess of Derby read the letter a final time, her thin lips pursed before announcing, "nothing, as of yet - bar refusing to accept 100,000 ducats as a dowry. His daughter will remain in England, without a husband or chance at being Queen until he pays the dowry. To have a daughter in such a position should shame him into paying, perhaps you should even mention the idea that your cousin Courtenay may accept 100,000 ducats and make her Countess of Devon! See what the King of Aragon thinks to that!"

Henry let out a long suffering sigh at his mother's prideful maliciousness towards King Ferdinand, even if he might choose to hint at such occurrences in letters for a more beneficial reaction. He knew that he could not stop the betrothal of William to Marguerite as not only would that make him appear under the thumb of the Spanish King, but it would also cost him the opportunity to be tied to both Spain and France - hopefully decreasing the chance of either taking up arms against England, as well as ensuring that England is not completely dominated by Spaniards. If not for young Prince Harry entering the church, then perhaps he would have betrothed his youngest to an Englishwoman with all these foreigners set to come to England - alas, Henry wanted to avoid another Cousins' War so his son would have to be a Bishop, maybe eventually Archbishop, instead.

"How fares my children?" Henry asked, his thoughts on young Harry inspiring the new theme of conversation.

"Arthur is excelling in his Kingly studies, I am told, especially regarding battle strategy and matters of the treasury - hopefully that boy will have the good sense to keep England's coffers filled; William is doing very well in his studies, I am told he is an especially bright young man though does not use his brains, preferring to be out riding than working; young Harry is also doing very well in his church studies, though his tutor warns me that he is envious of his brothers' - particularly Arthur's - positions and does not wish to enter the church, though we will be sure to curb such an attitude lest he make fools of us; Mary is said to be of cheerful nature, graceful in her dancing but her sewing needs more work - her tutor has also requested a musical instrument of some kind as she seems to have an interest in it. As if we have the money to waste on instruments when we are having 200,000 ducats kept from us," his mother informed him passionately. Margaret Beaufort smiled slightly when she spoke of young Harry, who she seemed to favour above the others. Perhaps, Henry mused, it was because she hadn't been allowed to raise a Henry herself - so was instead essentially raising a different Henry that she could shower with attention.

Despite his mother's condemning words on the matter, Henry decided that he would indeed purchase his daughter a lute. After all, the boys had their own horses and swords and the like, so why should his daughter be denied a musical instrument? His heart warmed as he thought of the expression that his six year old daughter would have when he presented it to her.

"I shall send a letter to King Ferdinand," Henry declared when he realised his mother was waiting for him to proclaim what he was going to do about the earlier topic of conversation, "and whilst he decides what to do on the matter of his daughters dowry, Catalina and Arthur will continue to remain here at Court. He will go to Wales and learn good governance soon, but for now my son will learn from watching me and attending Privy Council sessions. And if you say William is so wayward in his attentions, then perhaps he better join us - after all, he is to be Arthur's most trusted adviser one day."

All Henry could do was hope that William would be a trusted adviser such as Hastings was to King Edward IV, rather than as Richard, 3rd Duke of York was to King Henry VI.



(It's a small chapter - but this is just laying the foundation for everything that will be occurring from 1504 onwards :), I promise other chapters will be much longer)
 
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Infanta María, as daughter to the Catholic Monarchs is the most likely bride in terms of power and prestige. And she is the highest match he could ever acquire, probably higher than any match ever acquired by a Scottish king. Though her sister Isabella would need to survive childbed for that to be possible.

Have Maria have some daughters then die in childbirth, making way for Mary.
 
Have Maria have some daughters then die in childbirth, making way for Mary.
No, Maria of Aragon will not be married in Scotland, she is too needed as replacement for her sister in Portugal, and Mary Tudor will likely marry in Burgundy here...

James IV can marry: a) his cousin Elizabeth of Denmark, b) French-proxy Charlotte of Naples, c) Spanish-proxy Joanna of Aragon-Naples, Dowager Queen of Naples.
 
No, Maria of Aragon will not be married in Scotland, she is too needed as replacement for her sister in Portugal, and Mary Tudor will likely marry in Burgundy here...

James IV can marry: a) his cousin Elizabeth of Denmark, b) French-proxy Charlotte of Naples, c) Spanish-proxy Joanna of Aragon-Naples, Dowager Queen of Naples.

He will have married Elizabeth of Denmark in 1500
 
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Chapter 2 - 1504
Westminster Palace, London
February 21st 1504


Margaret Beaufort, Countess of Derby, watched with satisfaction as the Infanta Catalina of Aragon passed her pew to kneel beside her to be husband: Arthur, Prince of Wales. It had taken over two years for King Ferdinand to agree to pay Catalina's dowry in full; it wasn't until the end of the Italian Wars - when he had no true excuse to keep the 200,000 ducats from them that he relented. Even then, the King of Aragon insisted he would pay 195,000 instead. To save his pride, no doubt.

Her son had agreed, after all they could hardly reject such an advantageous match over 5,000 ducats.

To Margaret's right was King Henry and Queen Elizabeth, whereas to her left was the royal children. William stood closest to her, as they were lined by precedence. Her second eldest grandchild was a handsome boy of five and ten, tall with curly, chin-length red-gold hair and dark brown eyes (eyes he shared with Margaret herself, which she was pleased with) whom was dressed in a charming navy doublet. The boy had done well in his lessons with his father and brother, excelling the King's eldest son at times, though his disposition was too much like his maternal grandfather for Margaret to ever wish him to be the Prince of Wales; lest England experience another Edward IV.

Young Harry was ten and three now, as handsome as his older brother, and would be attending Oxford next year. From there, he would no doubt go on to become Chancellor of the University of Oxford before being elevated to become a Bishop. Despite his reluctance to enter the church and envy of his older brothers, her favourite grandson had the wit and intelligence for a church career, and she was sure he would prosper in his career and further the Tudor influence in Rome. Meanwhile little Princess Mary Tudor would go onto become Queen of a united Spain via her arranged marriage to Charles of Burgundy.

Yes, the future was looking bright for her line.

Soon enough, Catalina and Arthur were repeating the Archbishop's words back to him - tying themselves to one another for better or for worse; in sickness and in health. When the ceremony was over with, the girl would no longer be allowed to use her Spanish name, instead she would be known to all as Princess Katherine of Wales, and most of her Spanish ladies would be sent back to their homeland. It was Margaret herself who had pushed for the foreign Ladies-In-Waiting to be expelled from Court. Arthur's bride still wore Spanish dresses, spoke with a heavy Spanish accents, engaged in Spanish activities; it made proud Margaret's lips curl. In two years time, Marguerite of Angouleme would arrive in England, and Margaret would ensure that she familiarised herself with the English customs swifter than Catalina had.

"May I introduce unto you, Prince Arthur of Wales and his wife, the Princess Katherine!" The Archbishop announced at the end of the ceremony, and Margaret clapped along with the rest.

Her grandson, the red haired Arthur and her golden haired granddaughter-in-law certainly made a striking couple, but it would all be for naught if they did not succeed in continuing the Tudor dynasty. Margaret's dynasty.

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"Henry Tudor, King of England, Ireland and France; Queen Elizabeth; My Lady the King's Mother, Lady Margaret Stanley; Prince Arthur of Wales; Princess Katherine of Wales; Prince William, Duke of York; Prince Henry, Duke of Bedford and the Princess Mary of England," the herald announced to the hall as the royal family filed in. The courtiers clapped to their arrival - specifically to the newly wed Arthur and Katherine - as they made their way towards the dais. The Prince and Princess of Wales would take the seats for guests of honour, whilst the rest of the family took their usual places.

The King swiftly clapped for the musicians to begin playing, and they obeyed, filling the room with fast-beat, cheery tunes. William Tudor watched as his oldest brother and his wife moved from their seats to begin dancing upon the floor. His brother's movements were quick and elegant, mirrored by Katherine's grand ones; spinning and twirling around the dance floor. After an appropriate amount of time had passed, more couples began to join them.

The Duke of York heard an unsubtle cough from his mother's left and turned to his younger sister in amusement.

"Are you unwell, Mary? Perhaps you must retire from the feast," he teased with a small smirk as his sister glowered at him. His mother's lips turned up slightly at the interaction, whilst King Henry's remained trained upon his eldest son.

"I am very well, brother," the light-haired girl told him, unamused, "though I would be better if my feet were upon the dance floor rather than on this dais. If only there were a certain Prince who could help me with that matter..."

"I know not of such a Prince, Your Highness, perhaps you mean Prince Henry?" the Duke of York said, shooting a look to where his younger brother sat glaring off into the distance.

"Nay," Mary told him with a huff, "Harry is too busy being bitter that Arthur gets to marry a beautiful Princess whereas he does not."

It was true. His younger brother had been in a foul mood in the lead up to the wedding, which only got worse when the King announced that Marguerite would be joining them at Court in April 1506. Personally, William didn't understand why Henry was making a fuss about it. The Duke of York did not want to get married - especially to some foreign daughter of a Duke that was just going to be forced on him. He didn't care how pretty people said that she was; he just wanted to ride and hunt and enjoy swordfighting with his companions. When the French girl arrived, surely his parents would expect him to spend most of his time with her - and he doubted that she would enjoy his sports, not many women at Court did.

Deciding that to dance with her now would be easier than suffering his eight-year-old sister's sulking William offered her his hand, which she eagerly left her chair to take. Together, they descended to the dance floor. With the prevailing high-paced music the duo agreed to do the Galliard, as most nobles were doing upon the floor. Right, left, right, left, cadence William chanted in his head briefly, choosing to do a large jump as his cadence where he landed with his right leg in front of his left, his second was a hop and third was a leap by which he switched sides with his sister. The energetic steps were repeated many a times, both William and Mary laughing and sweating as they danced around. Tiring, Mary soon retired back to her seat; William moved to do the same but was stopped by a rather lovely auburn haired woman. She was perhaps a few years older than him, with a curvy figure and supporting a coy smile.

"Your Highness, do you have another dance to spare for a lowly maiden?" she inquired, batting her eyelashes. The teenage Duke of York felt as if there was a lump in his throat as he quickly agreed, indulging her far more than one dance.

Upon their fourth dance, the consummation of the marriage of the Prince and Princess of Wales was called for. Princess Katherine was whisked away by her Ladies to ready her for the night, whilst Arthur left trailed by his groomsmen. Not twenty minutes had passed before the Queen, King and the King's mother left the hall as well, off to witness the blessing of the marriage bed.

His parents and grandmothers' figures had scarcely left the room before the auburn haired woman he was dancing with whispered to him about leaving for his chambers, and he nodded eagerly. William didn't notice, in his haste to leave the hall, how the woman's father nodded at her in approval as she followed the young Prince into the endless halls of Westminster Palace.

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February 22nd 1504


Katherine, Princess of Wales, awoke to the feeling of sunlight assaulting her eyes; groggily, she rolled over to where she saw the face of one of her Ladies, Maria, gazing upon her. It took the girl of nine and ten several moments to recall what had happened and where she was - she was a married woman now, the Princess of Wales, and currently within Prince Arthur's Court chambers. She could scarcely believe it. For a while, she had worried that she would be confined to die an old spinster in England - all over her father's reluctance to pay her dowry in full, and her father-in-law's pride to not allow it to be reduced - but now everything was as it should be. One day, Katherine would be Queen of England! She would help bring about a golden age to England!

"Your Highness, we must leave," Maria informed her, looking upon Katherine's smiling face with warmth, "the Prince's grooms will be here soon."

Maria gave her a nightgown that Katherine hurriedly placed of her bare form, fearful of Arthur's men appearing at any moment. Soon enough, she was being whisked back towards her chambers. The short walk there gave her several moments to think over last night. It was not enjoyable, but then Katherine had not expected it to be so, and it had hurt somewhat. Her husband was neither gentle nor rough with her, his inexperience not allowing for either. Mayhaps she could learn to enjoy it more, as she heard it whispered that some women do, as for the moment it felt more like a chore than anything else. England (specifically the Lady Margaret) had not been kind to her so far, so it would be nice to be able to find pleasure in something.

"How was he?" was the main inquiry thrown at her by her eager Spanish ladies when she returned to her chambers, their lack of propriety earning them glares from some of the older Englishwomen whom were also in her household, "was he kind and warm? Was he attentive?"

"Nay," Katherine said quietly, lest her English Ladies report to the King or his mother for badmouthing the Prince, "he was cold and unreceptive, but I shall maintain hope that he shall thaw throughout our times together. After all, I am fair and of royal blood, there is not much more he could want."

Her show of pride was a cover for insecurities - that perhaps he did find something wrong with her; that he found her unbearable to be around. Her more perceptive ladies gave her sympathetic looks, but Katherine did not want their sympathy. She just wanted to make her marriage work.

With little more to say on the matter, Katherine ordered her ladies about to go and get her dress for the day - a lilac coloured gown of Spanish style, the coveted colour symbolising her royal status - and prepare her a rose-petal covered bath. When she slid into the warm water, it soothed her aching muscles and she began to feel ready to take on the day of gossiping courtiers and the harsh treatment of particular members of the royal family. Idly, she thought of the arrival of Marguerite d'Angouleme - it was not scheduled for over two years yet, but it surely would have a large effect upon the royal family.

When Katherine had first heard that her brother-in-law would have a French match, she had been greatly angered. France was Spain's great enemy, thus it would interfere with her duty to influence England to have a pro-Spanish approach in all things, such as wars, marriages and the likes. After more deliberation it had simply left her determined. She, Catalina of Castile and Aragon, would be Queen of England - not some French tart! It would be her country, just as Spain was her country, and she would ensure that all of England's interests benefited Spain - and vice veresa - to the best of her ability. Katherine would simply have to make sure that the to-be Duchess of York would have as little influence at Court, in government and over William as possible.

The water beginning to cool down, Katherine pulled herself out of it. Her Ladies went about drying her hair before lacing a corset upon her and then pulling the earlier chosen dress over her head. To finish her outfit choice, Katherine selected an elaborate cross given to her by her mother - dear Queen Isabella - and negotiated with herself that she would wear the necklace gifted to her by the lovely Queen Elizabeth another day.

Taking in a deep breath, she readied herself to begin to stride towards the oak doors that led out of her chambers; further towards her future. At the end of her path, she was certain, lay her golden age.

A/N - so, poor William is getting used for his status; Katherine is a lioness ready to defend her adopted country from French influences; Margaret Beaufort... is being Margaret Beaufort and Henry is sulking. Chapter 3 will also be set in 1504, whilst Chapter 4 will skip a couple of years to Marguerite's arrival :)
I hope you enjoyed!
 
Chapter 3 - 1504
September 19th 1504
Ludlow, England
(FUN FACT: the Prince of Wales ran the Welsh Council from England! You might have already known that but I didn't)



Arthur Tudor, Prince of Wales, pulled on his fiery red hair as he slumped over with a sigh. His responsibilities as President of the Council of Wales and Marches were demanding, especially with the added stress of his desperation to make his father proud. Henry VII had expressed disappointment of Arthur through his letters of late, as Arthur had been married to Katherine for almost seven months with no sign of pregnancy, which only further complicated his relationship with his wife. It wasn't for a lack of trying, both him and Katherine did the duty required of them often; he just had to have faith that when God willed it, England would have an heir.

The Prince of Wales views his wife as beautiful and dignified yet guarded and proud, and they still had trouble conversing. Katherine had been in England for three years, so spoke English very well, but humour often went over her head along with more complex language, which Arthur frequently used. He loved words; he loved literature, and that was conveyed through how he spoke. Also, despite those three years, Arthur and Katherine had not always resided near one another, only truly being together recently.

The red-haired boy was trying to learn Spanish to help these relations, he truly was, but he did not have the same talent for languages as other members of his family - more skilled in archery, finances and government. Deciding to leave his work for an hour or so, he pushed his chair back from the oak desk in front of it and stood, intent on heading out towards the Ludlow gardens, which were always beautiful around summertime. He wanted to make the most of them before autumn truly took hold.

As he wondered through the halls, he smiled fleetingly at the A&Ks that adorned the arches. Been as he and Katherine would be staying at Ludlow for an unforeseen amount of time, his father had allowed them a small allowance for some minor redecoration. Arthur had done some on his own initiative, having an eye for beauty himself, but Katherine had also been much eager to do some of her own. The A&Ks had been her idea, and they both surprised and touched Arthur.

By coincidence, the auburn-haired Katherine was passing the next corner he turned. Seeing each other, they both paused to stop awkwardly in the middle of the hallway. At first, his thoughts stumbled, wondering desperately what to say to his wife. Finally he decided on, "are you well, Catalina?" in her native language.

It was not perfect pronunciation, but she appeared to appreciate the effort.

"I am well, husband," she told him pleasantly, accent thick, "are you taking to the gardens?"

Arthur nodded in response, and the duo soon set a pace together; silently walking in tandem. She was wearing a charming cream gown with a square neckline and Spanish hood, and was adorned by pearls. Often, Arthur had wondered as to why Katherine had never thought to adopt the English hood into her fashion sense but had decided not to push the matter - she had just had her Ladies taken from her and, unlike his grandmother, Arthur was not quite so desperate to purge her of everything Spanish. When she was Queen of England, however, it would be a different matter.

"You look very fair today, Catalina," Arthur offered charmingly in English, continuing to use her preferred name in hopes it would lead to a more comfortable atmosphere, "I daresay you will put the gardens to shame."

Her reply was delayed somewhat, as it always was when Arthur used flowery language, but she soon smiled at him and returned the compliment.

The silence continued somewhat, perhaps even more uncomfortable than before. Not long before his marriage, Arthur had made the deceleration that he would strive to be a good husband to Katherine - he just didn't realise how hard it would be. His parents made it look so easy; they were comfortable with each other, despite their marriage too being one of convenience rather than love.

He turned to look at Katherine's side profile as the warm September winds hit them as they walked out to the gardens. She smiled as she looked upon Ludlow's extensive and beautiful gardens, alive with colour and blessed with the generous morning sunlight. Curiously, Arthur inquired of her, "is this what you'd like the gardens of Whitehall to like when we move there?" Arthur knew it was treasonous to speak of a time when the King would be dead, but he did not see the harm it when merely in the company of his wife.

Katherine's eyes seemed to come alive at the prospect of the future, "yes. I do not think King Henry cares much for gardens, but I enjoy them."

Arthur nodded. His father, though willing to give generously to his children on occasion, was careful with his money - and spending much on the gardens had never been that appealing to the first Tudor King. The small inquiry into the future brought many other inquiries to the forefront of Arthur's mind. What sort of future did Katherine imagine for England? He may not be able to communicate well with his wife, but he knew that she had a keen mind. Arthur would never allow himself to be ruled, but he did not see any harm in seeking advice from his wife, as his father did so to his grandmother often.

When he asked what Katherine envisioned Arthur's reign being like, the look she gave him was not bright but blinding, with a brilliant smile.

He spent the rest of the day wondering the gardens with Katherine, speaking of what they envisioned of a future for England. Their Camelot. When silence finally reigned once more, as the sun began to set, it was not as uncomfortable as before, and they departed with smiles.

Their marriage suddenly seemed more positive than it had in a long while, and Arthur was hopeful that he would find a friend in Katherine.

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NOTE:
SHORT CHAPTER AS I DELETED THE SECOND HALF AFTER CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM OVER THE TIMING OF EVENTS; NEXT CHAPTER WILL BE LONGER AND, FINALLY, SET IN 1506 :)
 
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The queen set the fashion for the court ladies, so Catherine can wear her spanish hood as much as she wants. And why would Margaret send her spanish ladies away?

I'm sorry I don't understand anything that is going on. Otl Arthur and Catherine married on 14 november 1501, around five weeks after she arrived in Plymouth on the 2 october. She did so without the entierty of her dowry, the fighting broke out after her wedding. Why on earth is the marriage taking place in 1504 suddenly? Did Catherine linger around spinning wool for three years or something?

Why would Margaret send her spanish ladies away? That serves no purpose, Catherine is the link between England and Spain, she needs some spaniards around her. Add english ladies to the company instead, that will do better.

Also Margarite of Angloumene as duchess of York makes no sense with Catherine as queen. Under the tumb of Spain? I seems to recall that Henry VII courted the catholic monarchs for his son's sake. But sure, undermine the alliance that your desired daughter-in law brings. The entire point of the Treaty of Medina del Campo were to back Spain against France and not to mention, giving the Tudors, a new and rather shaky dynasty a PRESTIGIOUS AND RICH BRIDE TO CREDIT THE TUDORS AS LEGITMATE RULERS OF ENGLAND IN THE EYES OF REST OF EUROPE. Where did the spanish hatred come from, why are they backstabbing Isabella and Ferdinand? You can't be in bed with both France and Spain at this time.


"Meanwhile little Princess Mary Tudor would go onto become Queen of a united Spain via her arranged marriage to Charles of Burgundy. "

Also marrying the duke of York to France and then betrothing Mary Tudor to the heir to the spanish kingdoms are rather rich. The Tudors can't go around undermining the forein alliances like that.
 
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I like the idea of Marguerite as Duchess of York. France and Spain were pretty much always fighting so adding a French marriage, indicates that England won't be taking sides.
 
...I like the idea of Louise of Savoy: Secret Lutheran Sympathizer and it's a nice way to introduce the Reformation to England. But, uh, Luther wasn't even a monk in 1504. The 95 Theses weren't published until 1517/1518 IIRC.
 
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If Henry Tudor (OTL Henry VIII) is destined for the Church TTL with two older brothers, perhaps in due course he introduces his intelligent and classically educated sisters-in-law to such aspects of English religious history as John Wycliffe and the Lollards. Catalina will, of course, be horrified but Marguerite could still be your point girl for the Reformation in England. This would work even better if Arthur dies before he and Catalina can have a son.
 
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If Henry Tudor (OTL Henry VIII) is destined for the Church TTL with two older brothers, perhaps in due course he introduces his intelligent and classically educated sisters-in-law to such aspects of English religious history as John Wycliffe and the Lollards. Catalina will, of course, be horrified but Marguerite could still be your point girl for the Reformation in England. This would work even better if Arthur dies before he and Catalina can have a son.

I love this! That's such a cool idea!
 
I like the idea of Marguerite as Duchess of York. France and Spain were pretty much always fighting so adding a French marriage, indicates that England won't be taking sides.

The WHOLE point of Catherine marrying Arthur was that England would side with Spain over France. If the duchess of York is to be a french noblewomen who's brother might become King of France then Ferdinand and Isabella can demand their daughter home to wed someone who will side with Spain instead.
 
The WHOLE point of Catherine marrying Arthur was that England would side with Spain over France. If the duchess of York is to be a french noblewomen who's brother might become King of France then Ferdinand and Isabella can demand their daughter home to wed someone who will side with Spain instead.
Wrong. First doing that they would lose forever England to the French side, second their daughter will be Queen and if the Duchess of York, wife of the younger son, is more influential than her well that would be Catalina’s own fault...
 
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