Would a United India be a good thing or a disaster?

It happen again yet. If events go downhill in Pakistan, from a nuclear accident to Government collapse, could see India moving in to Kashmir, and Nepal, And inviting Bangladesh to re-join 'Grater India'.
While, India would appear to be accepting of its Muslim minorities, China is currently embarked on a mass re-education of Muslim children.
 
It happen again yet. If events go downhill in Pakistan, from a nuclear accident to Government collapse, could see India moving in to Kashmir, and Nepal, And inviting Bangladesh to re-join 'Grater India'.
While, India would appear to be accepting of its Muslim minorities, China is currently embarked on a mass re-education of Muslim children.
Doubtful, given nonsense like the cow vigilantes.

To make any sort of subcontinental reunification work, it'll require a lot of devolution, and no government in New Delhi would be willing to stomach that.
 

kernals12

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Doubtful, given nonsense like the cow vigilantes.

To make any sort of subcontinental reunification work, it'll require a lot of devolution, and no government in New Delhi would be willing to stomach that.
I also don't think the international community would be thrilled about it.
 

Khanzeer

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1 Decentralized Indian administration
2 Muslim landlords maintain feudal hold over large tracts of land in exchange for loyalty to central govt
3 Good chance many princely states have persisted to this day
4 India would inherit the Afghan durand line problem
5 India would have huge voice in the muslim world probably a CRITIC of Israel
6 Indian leaders probably very anti socialist [ given need to maintain feudalism at home] and likely more pro western than OTL
 

Khanzeer

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Doubtful, given nonsense like the cow vigilantes.
No longhorn or texas roadhouse there but otherwise central govt would likely appease and pander to all kinds of extremists hindu or muslim .Not worth stamping out ancient customs and making martyrs
 

yoyo

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Doubtful, given nonsense like the cow vigilantes.

To make any sort of subcontinental reunification work, it'll require a lot of devolution, and no government in New Delhi would be willing to stomach that.
Nah thats a bunch of dust. There are greater concerns to worry about such as separatism and the lack of cultural unity between the islamized northwest and heavily hindu south.
 
There'll be even more separatist movements rising up in India, especially in the Muslim-majority areas. At least the millions of deaths and forced re-settlement which happened during the partition were butterflied away.
 
Definitely much better, depending on how India gains independence. If no partition occurs in 1947, then yeah there'd probably be a lot of muslim unrest, but no where near the horrific situation OTL partition was. The best scenario would obviously be gradual independence by the 30's, allowing for democracy to develop and when complete independence is achieved for stability and a secular government. Also, in either scenario, the forces of separatism would probably be relegated to OTL separatist movements, like the North East, Baluchistan and maybe the NW frontier provinces.
 
I’m not that knowledgeable about Indian history, but as far I know there have only been a handful of relatively brief periods when the whole area has been conquered under a single emperor. Other than that it seems to have been much like Europe, greater or smaller states squabbling among themselves.

Given that empires are generally only held together by force, it seems odd to me that this “Greater United India” thing is such an obsession, the Raj hanging on as an entity seems about as likely as the Russian, Ottoman or a Austria-Hungarian Empire.
I mean OTL we have Pakistan shattering into two separate countries, separatist movements in northeast India, and a fair amount of squabbling over official names, boundaries and languages. I can’t see how things would be made easier by putting more and more cats into a single sack.
 
If India hadn't been partitioned, it would've at least avoided the 10 million deaths that resulted from the population transfers. But given how Muslims are treated in India IOTL, I reckon that India would wind up with something akin to Jim Crow or devolve into Civil War if it had an even bigger muslim minority.

What do you guys think?
I'd say that the opposite of what you say would happen. Given that whatever unrest that occurs between Hindus and Muslims in India owes much of it to the partition. Most likely, Muslims will be given reservation in their parts of the country and retain a safe majority there. This would also mean a more decentralized government, hopefully allowing the already richer states (Maharastra, Bengal, Punjab etc.) to grow unimpeded from central interference. Perhaps we can see Bombay or Madras emerging as Singapores.
 
What about a internal partition?

got a question here if india remains united what happens to the Punjab? Muslims and the sikhs will likely seem some violence (im not sure which side would punjabi hindus pick) No partition means khalistan may claim the entire punjab due to sikh empire both muslim and hindus obviously will not entertain that.

Hypothetically if this state survived to modern days the we will most likely gain a sense of stability, so would india do a china colonise its outer regions with colonist such as pashtunistan and Balochistan? Settle it with more 'proper indians' or settle them with Punjabis and sindhs.
 
I don't think there's any way of presenting Ghis as a serious challenge for Valyria and its dozens of Balerion-Class dragons without making 80% of the dragonlords be out to lunch.

There were probably some ambitious dragonlords. Hundreds of them, probably, but most of them would primarily be concerned with disputes against other dragonlords. It wouldn't surprise me if at any given time you only really had a dozen dragons employed in anything like a productive fashion.

What about a internal partition?

got a question here if india remains united what happens to the Punjab? Muslims and the sikhs will likely seem some violence (im not sure which side would punjabi hindus pick) No partition means khalistan may claim the entire punjab due to sikh empire both muslim and hindus obviously will not entertain that.

Hypothetically if this state survived to modern days the we will most likely gain a sense of stability, so would india do a china colonise its outer regions with colonist such as pashtunistan and Balochistan? Settle it with more 'proper indians' or settle them with Punjabis and sindhs.
Punjab was peacefully states until 1947 not like Bengal .
 
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Most likely, Muslims will be given reservation in their parts of the country and retain a safe majority there.
Except that the instant that prospect is raised, people would squawking about how this or that district should be a different majority based on a different dividing line, or different residency criteria, or “corrected” census data, and so on. Others will object to being designated second class citizens on the basis of a government decree when they historically have enjoyed disproportionate power.
You are literally proposing Partition on communal lines within a greater India and assuming it will go brilliantly better than when it was done on a national level.
 
Except that the instant that prospect is raised, people would squawking about how this or that district should be a different majority based on a different dividing line, or different residency criteria, or “corrected” census data, and so on. Others will object to being designated second class citizens on the basis of a government decree when they historically have enjoyed disproportionate power.
You are literally proposing Partition on communal lines within a greater India and assuming it will go brilliantly better than when it was done on a national level.
I think you are confusing the Indian reservation system with that of usa. This reservation simply means that only Muslim candidates can contest from a reserved constituency. It is already used for lower castes to ensure their voice is heard.
 

kernals12

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It would be nice if a United India could work. They might stop punching below their weight on the international stage if they're no longer distracted by their feud with Pakistan.
 

Khanzeer

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It would be nice if a United India could work. They might stop punching below their weight on the international stage if they're no longer distracted by their feud with Pakistan.
Not neccesarily, I believe a united india will be bogged down with too much domestic baggage to be a big international player
 
I think you are confusing the Indian reservation system with that of usa. This reservation simply means that only Muslim candidates can contest from a reserved constituency. It is already used for lower castes to ensure their voice is heard.
No I understand completely. It means going through a normal representative democracy and applying “reserved for religion X” stickers all over it just like they had in Lebanon. I would expect it to be about as successful in addressing the religion issue as it has been in addressing the caste issue, i.e. not particularly.
 
Not neccesarily, I believe a united india will be bogged down with too much domestic baggage to be a big international player
I think a lot of people think that, in any united India scenario, it will just be Pakistan and Bangladesh smushed inside OTL India. This would definitely not be the case. One has to remember that Pakistan and Bangladesh were TAKEN OUT of India, plus the movement of millions of Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs into their new respective homelands. Also understand that much of the enmity that comes from the horrors of OTL partition were what fueled that fire of the hatred that now exists between the two countries. So I believe that when people talk about a united India scenario, they greater overestimate the problems this India will go through. Now, I'm not saying that it ATL India would be perfect, there would be separatist movements and (some) inter-religious strife, but not near OTL levels.
 
I think a lot of people think that, in any united India scenario, it will just be Pakistan and Bangladesh smushed inside OTL India. This would definitely not be the case. One has to remember that Pakistan and Bangladesh were TAKEN OUT of India, plus the movement of millions of Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs into their new respective homelands. Also understand that much of the enmity that comes from the horrors of OTL partition were what fueled that fire of the hatred that now exists between the two countries. So I believe that when people talk about a united India scenario, they greater overestimate the problems this India will go through. Now, I'm not saying that it ATL India would be perfect, there would be separatist movements and (some) inter-religious strife, but not near OTL levels.

Yeah, the contention is not that a united India would be peaceful - just that it would be more peaceful than the OTL Indian subcontinent. And it's hard to imagine a more bloody 20th century just because the OTL 20th century was really really incredibly bloody.
 

Khanzeer

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I think a lot of people think that, in any united India scenario, it will just be Pakistan and Bangladesh smushed inside OTL India. This would definitely not be the case. One has to remember that Pakistan and Bangladesh were TAKEN OUT of India, plus the movement of millions of Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs into their new respective homelands. Also understand that much of the enmity that comes from the horrors of OTL partition were what fueled that fire of the hatred that now exists between the two countries. So I believe that when people talk about a united India scenario, they greater overestimate the problems this India will go through. Now, I'm not saying that it ATL India would be perfect, there would be separatist movements and (some) inter-religious strife, but not near OTL levels.
I'm not talking about hindu Muslim enmity
I'm thinking of intra community discord
Muslim progressives vs mullahs
Hindu communists vs RSS
Regional language issues
Water distribution amongst states
NW Frontier problems
trying to govern that all from New Delhi will be a nightmare, remember english relied a lot on local rulers one republic of india may not.
I would suggest a better option is " united states of india " states based not on religious but ethnic and linguistic lines
 
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