If they wanted an improved Airforce? Otherwise as you imply it ‘ain’t’ happening. I wasn’t suggesting that NZ should or would just that is what is required to maintain a modern airforce capability as per the OP.Why would the voters support that?
If they wanted an improved Airforce? Otherwise as you imply it ‘ain’t’ happening. I wasn’t suggesting that NZ should or would just that is what is required to maintain a modern airforce capability as per the OP.Why would the voters support that?
That makes sense. Still it seems to me that in hindsight the RNZAF might have been better off acquiring simpler aircraft in the 1990's. I seem to recall Botswana has only just decided to replace their former Canadian F5's (which IIRC the Canadians upgraded at some expense.)This requires a much earlier PoD, as the upgraded CF-5D would have been a step down systems-wise from the Kahu-upgraded Skyhawk that started entering service in 1989-90 (as in one or two respects would have been the block 15 F-16A/B). The RAN A-4G's were acquired with the Kahu programme in mind, so if acquiring the CF-5D means butterflying Kahu, it also means butterflying the A-4G acquisition, which then introduces an A-4K replacement in the 80's. The F-5 was considered and rejected by the RNZAF in favour of the initial A-4K purchase (at the same time the Canadians were considering and rejecting the A-4 in favour of the F-5), so a change of mind on that would be needed as well.
These were embargoed Pakistani machines, so very much a one-off opportunity for low initial acquisition cost.
Everyone got offered those embargoed F16's at one stage or another including the Italians iirc.
And anyone capable of projecting power to New Zealand is, realistically, also going to be able to swat aside anything the RNZAF can realistically field.
What about a larger role for NZ in the Falklands in ‘82, spurring stronger belief in the need for a full spectrum of military options?
Yeah there in lies the issue, effectively what's the point of us having jets. If we need them we are probably already fucked.
What about a larger role for NZ in the Falklands in ‘82, spurring stronger belief in the need for a full spectrum of military options?
Yeah there in lies the issue, effectively what's the point of us having jets. If we need them we are probably already fucked.
The idea was not to use them for local defence, but to use them with allies elsewhere to avoid that necessity, and thus contribute to regional security. Standalone defence of NZ is a minor if not totally irrelevant consideration - it wasn't how the RNZAF trained or planned to operate.
I don't know of possible ways of doing this. But maybe in the eightys the Government decides to take part in the Swedish Gripen development and this way they get a Squadron or two with unit price like the one Swedish Air Force pays. By all accounts it is an very good aircraft with low maintenance costs.
Mumbles said:NZ contributed a frigate in 1982 to patrol in the Persian Gulf and thus relieve an RN vessel for Falklands duty. Apparently said frigate was offered by the NZ government to join the task force itself but declined as it wasn't up-to-date enough equipment wise.
Or it could have the exact opposite effect and result in a "never again" attitude even stronger than OTL's.Another question is whether an extended War in Vietnam--say, because of a more successful American counter-insurgency strategy--would have been a continued draw on NZ resources, prompting stronger commitment to defense spending.
Interesting! Didn't know that.
I think it would be interesting to speculate on what NZ might have done had the British suffered greater losses against the Argentines. Would that have prompted distant governments like that of NZ to rethink their vulnerability?
Another question is whether an extended War in Vietnam--say, because of a more successful American counter-insurgency strategy--would have been a continued draw on NZ resources, prompting stronger commitment to defense spending.
I dunno, I think the RNZN were already pretty familiar with the capabilities of well handled A-4's against ships . The RNZAF was able to teach even a post-Falklands Invincible a few lessons during exercises in late 1983.
Another question is whether an extended War in Vietnam--say, because of a more successful American counter-insurgency strategy--would have been a continued draw on NZ resources, prompting stronger commitment to defense sp
On a more personal note, I remember looking down at a Kiwi Skyhawk from a bridge wing and, thinking you are nearly <expletive> surfing.