Why are Sealion threads so hated on this site?

steamboy

Astrodragon said:
Oooh, does that mean the S-H gets Catgirls!!?? :)
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Oh you wish...we're going full on bara futa's here.

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Just like pretty much every Sealion thread devolves into.
 

TDM

lighthorse said:
Because I pointed the reason why a B.B. was needed in the channel to counter any possible big ships supporting an invasion.

A pre-dread’ maybe old, is still quite a handle for cruisers.
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Lets look at this claim with a quick side by side

First off here's a brief listing of the home fleet during 1940

so let put the HMS Devonshire (Heavy Cruiser) up against the SMS Scleswig-Holstien (pre Dred BB)


Full load for not operating on long patrol: 10Kt vs 13Kt

Length and width: the S-H is wider, shorter and has a deeper draft than the Cruiser Devonshire

Speed: 32Kn vs 19kn (the Devonshire has also just under 5x the installed power* of the S-H)

Main guns: 4x twin 8" vs. 2 x twin 11"

Torpedoes: 2x Quad 21" tubes vs. none

Armour: OK let's just say a pre dred BB S-H has a lot more than the Devonshire!

OK so the S-H has a clear advantage in armour and really that's about it

In terms of main guns the range is comparable, I agree in abstract the Devonshire is less able to withstand a hit from the S-H's 11", than the S-H is from the D's 8" but even then it's not like 40mm of deck armour is going to stand up to plunging fire from 8" guns, but the Devonshire is harder to hit, and the S-H is less able to hit due to the technology it had. The Devonshire has double** the volume of fire. (The surface area and dimensions of the S-H also makes plunging fire a bit easier as well)

But's it not going to be gun dual unless the Devonshire fancies a challenge, its going to be 35kn Mk VII torpedoes at a slow and relatively un-manoeuvrable target. But what about that nice thick torpedo belt, yeah it's nice and thick, pity it doesn't help much against WW2 torpedo tactics of varying run depth and/or breaking a ship's back. This class of German pre-Dreds had issues with torpedoes in WW1.

However the biggest difference is that while there's only a 21 years split in commissioning dates, that was a very full 21 years in terms of naval development. The S-H turned up to WW1 outdated, and the D was developed with the lessons of WW1 learn't. Hell the S-H was outdated at it's date of commision!


Now going back to the first link How many Heavy Cruisers were about? (oh and god help it if a battlecruiser turns up) even light cruisers although having 6" guns will have the same torpedo tubes



*this one might not be as sexy as how many big guns and how thick was the armour, but actually when your operating and positioning against each other on the sea that's a big thing!

**actually it's more, according to Navweaps the German 11" has rof of 2 rounds per min, while the British 8" was more like 3-4 rounds per min (I also guess the train rates were slower on the german gun etc)
 
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Garrison

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TDM said:
Now going back to the first link How many Heavy Cruisers were about? (oh and god help it if a battlecruiser turns up) even light cruisers although having 6" guns will have the same torpedo tubes



*this one might not be as sexy as how many big guns and how thick was the armour, but actually when your operating and positioning against each other on the sea that's a big thing!

**actually it's more, according to Navweaps the German 11" has rof of 2 rounds per min, while the British 8" was more like 3-4 rounds per min (I'm also guess in the train rates were slower on the german gun etc)
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Firstly as far the derail goes, sorry but High School Fleet is already a thing. :)

As far as the pre-dreadnoughts go its another example of the dead horses people love to flog in Sealion threads.
 

eltf177

TDM said:
The RN is big enough to largely do most things at once.
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And that's the entire issue. Even if the Germans have more ships than they did historically (say S&G are either not damaged or more quickly repaired) or by some miracle Bismarck is ready in time they will still be badly outnumbered no matter what...
 

baldipaul

Are Catgirls the same as Shipgirls. There was a thread in ASB (or possibly Media and Fandom) about various German and British Shipgirls bringing sunk warships back to life and fighting battles in and around the modern UK. It was set in the Harry Potter Universe and Harry, Ron and Hermione (who were in an MMF polyamorous relationship) had to sort it all out. It was quite a good story.
 
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