Complete US hegemony by 1950: What happens to US culture and politics?

This is my first post here.

I am interested in US pop culture of the 50s and 60s. Considering how much of it was influenced by the cold war, I have often wondered what would have happened if the US ended up as the sole superpower by 1950. This could come about in several ways:

-The Soviet Union does worse during the war and ends up as second-rate power, barely extending beyond Russian borders. The US conquers all of Germany and liberates eastern Europe on its own (including some former soviet republics)

-There is a US-Soviet War shortly after WWII, that somehow doesn't end with most of the Russian population nuked out of existence.

The scenario I am envisioning entails the US being seen as the good guys liberating Europe from the twin horrors of Nazism and Communism. The US has it all in terms of both soft power and hard power, and the rest of the western world is highly dependent upon it. It might also help to have side effects that will discredit ideologies like Gaullism and High Toryism, giving US-style liberalism monopoly on world politics and US pop culture a similar monopoly on world culture.

My question to the board is: What happens to the US itself in terms of politics and culture? What are some of the more interesting (but plausible) possibilities?
 
Barring alien space bats I don't see this being anything remotely close to a possibility within the realms if reality. Theoretically its hard to say what this USA would devote itself to, but the state of the worlds economy, especially the developing world would perhaps be horrifyingly subservient to the US.
 
Barring alien space bats I don't see this being anything remotely close to a possibility within the realms if reality.

Yes, it's a stretch. I admit as much. But I think a complete US hegemony is much more probable than a complete Nazi hegemony which has been discussed here (and elsewhere) rather thoroughly.

... but the state of the worlds economy, especially the developing world would perhaps be horrifyingly subservient to the US.

Yes, this is part of what I am going for. What would global philo-Americanism look like and who would be its discontents as the communists are now discredited.
 
Well, I'd say that the United States was the global hegemon for a short duration after WW2. I mean the United States was over half of the world's economy at the time and its would be rival were in ruins or bankrupt, including the Soviet Union. Remeber, the Soviet Union was thoroughly trashed and rather lacking in manpower by the end of the war. What happened OTL was american style consumerism (and hence, american culture) spread throughout western europe and american occupied asia. The accusations of american cultural imperialism comes to mind. . .
 
. Remeber, the Soviet Union was thoroughly trashed and rather lacking in manpower by the end of the war. What happened OTL was american style consumerism (and hence, american culture) spread throughout western europe and american occupied asia. The accusations of american cultural imperialism comes to mind. . .

Yes, exactly. That lead to economic miracles in western Europe, and a Atomic Jet-Set age of undiluted optimism almost until the late 60s. However, in OTL, Communism began to be seen as a challenge (whether or not it actually was), and the Vietnam War led to disillusionment of a large segment of US society against the post-WWII culture of prosperity.

But what happens in the scenario where Soviet Union (or whatever succeeds it) simply doesn't have the wherewithal to challenge the US in any meaningful way? Eastern Europe will be closely tied to US interests and will have intense antipathy to both the Russians and to any variant of Communist ideology. Korea and Vietnam will never happen. Mao, being the shrewd politician that he was, will do everything to kiss up to US interests because there is nowhere else to turn to.

In short I am imagining a world where socially and politically, the late 50s / Early 60s never end and American culture goes truly global, even as technology moves forward on schedule (or even ahead of schedule since there is a longer war, and US has access to Eastern European markets and brainpower). What kind of pop culture will this world create? Who will be its discontents? Will the protest movements be right-wing? How sustainable is this world? When/How will it all fall apart?
 
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I've actually been curious about this also. The USSR doing substantially worse in WWII (Stalin's death maybe, short civil war in the USSR?) and the WAllies use nukes or something to bring the Reich to heel. Post war Europe is wrecked, Britain is broke, the USSR is a shell and the USA is unrivalled.

I'd say China is destined to be the USA's biggest rival in this situation but it's going to take a while, it may not go Communist if the USSR has collapsed but whether or not it remains a friend of the USA is hard to call.
 
What this ATL is OTL, except 1991 in 1950

After WWII, the US was hazard the world's economy and was bankrolling all of Western Europe and Occupied Asia. Except here it's all of Europe, Russia, and maybe China.

It's culture, such as jeans, coke, Elvis, Disney, mcdonalds, Hollywood, did spread quickly. The Soviet Union never spread any pop culture.

It wasn't into the late 50s when the Soviet Union vouch put up a somewhat equal fight.

And late 60s, when Europe started getting annoyed by having to do what the US said.


But, these nations all saw the USSR as an enemy. Trust me, they will be nice to the US for a while, but once they get back on their feet, and se no enemy, they won't.

Look at modern day, the European nations don't like US policy, but don't like Putin more.


But the world economy will be much better, since the communist world can give to the global economy.
 
I've actually been curious about this also. The USSR doing substantially worse in WWII (Stalin's death maybe, short civil war in the USSR?) and the WAllies use nukes or something to bring the Reich to heel. Post war Europe is wrecked, Britain is broke, the USSR is a shell and the USA is unrivalled.

I'd say China is destined to be the USA's biggest rival in this situation but it's going to take a while, it may not go Communist if the USSR has collapsed but whether or not it remains a friend of the USA is hard to call.

The problem is that the USA's rivals will rebuild (and will enact measures to protect their own industries if necessary) and eventually the United States will no longer be able to maintain that level of the global economy unless the USA's GDP grows by several magnitudes which it is not capable of doing. As for China being a rival, it is unlikely due to not really having any conflicting interests and our relatively good relationship in the past (unless it goes communist and maintains good relations with the soviets).
 
What this ATL is OTL, except 1991 in 1950

Yep. That's the idea. But it's the side effects that I am concerned about.

It's culture, such as jeans, coke, Elvis, Disney, mcdonalds, Hollywood, did spread quickly. The Soviet Union never spread any pop culture.

Not saying the Soviets really competed here. But the USSR, the Warsaw Pact and Communists in Western Europe actively promoted an anti-consumerist anti-bourgeois outlook that influenced the world in subtle ways, the most ironic being its incorporation into the US counterculture. Also, Imagine Swingin' Shanghai in '66, and what that could do an alternate pop-culture!


It wasn't into the late 50s when the Soviet Union vouch put up a somewhat equal fight.And late 60s, when Europe started getting annoyed by having to do what the US said.

But what happens if there is no other legitimate option, and the youth are all pro-American? The few anti-US politicians are accused of being either Nazi collaborators, Communist true believers, or just grumpy old men out of touch with the modern world. In essence I want the early 60s to continue into the 70s and beyond, but with 70s (or better!) technology.


But, these nations all saw the USSR as an enemy. Trust me, they will be nice to the US for a while, but once they get back on their feet, and se no enemy, they won't.

That might take quite a while. And the more important thing is that without another ideology to challenge it, Americanism will have too much cultural inertia to end soon.

But the world economy will be much better, since the communist world can give to the global economy.

Yep that's the idea. Imagine eastern European scientists working for NASA and IBM instead of inefficient communist bureaucracies.

What happens to US policy itself without communism? Will a longer war, and a greater burden of reconstruction lead to a greater acceptance of central planning? Will the US be more left-wing without the fear of communism? Since communism itself is discredited, would mass movements be frowned upon? This all leads to a very different political culture in the 60s and the 70s. What happens to Civil Rights?
 
The problem is that the USA's rivals will rebuild (and will enact measures to protect their own industries if necessary) and eventually the United States will no longer be able to maintain that level of the global economy unless the USA's GDP grows by several magnitudes which it is not capable of doing. As for China being a rival, it is unlikely due to not really having any conflicting interests and our relatively good relationship in the past (unless it goes communist and maintains good relations with the soviets).

China I posited on the idea that the USSR has suffered collapse in a similar manner to the Anglo-Nazi war, with Russia being fucked around with and torn to bits for several years before final WAllied Victory. Granted though, they won't be a real competitor for decades and I only really meant in a an economic sense, not a USSR analog.
 
The problem is that the USA's rivals will rebuild (and will enact measures to protect their own industries if necessary) and eventually the United States will no longer be able to maintain that level of the global economy unless the USA's GDP grows by several magnitudes which it is not capable of doing. As for China being a rival, it is unlikely due to not really having any conflicting interests and our relatively good relationship in the past (unless it goes communist and maintains good relations with the soviets).

Wouldn't China still be comparatively backwards for a few decades at least? And wouldn't it be rather pro-American without communism?

Don't get me wrong, I am not proposing an infinitely sustainable world hegemony. In fact anti-American political revolutions/realignments would be interesting in their own right. I just want them delayed a few decades in a way that will substantially change culture and politics.
 
Wouldn't China still be comparatively backwards for a few decades at least? And wouldn't it be rather pro-American without communism?

Don't get me wrong, I am not proposing an infinitely sustainable world hegemony. In fact anti-American political revolutions/realignments would be interesting in their own right. I just want them delayed a few decades in a way that will substantially change culture and politics.

China is a big country that doesn't like being told what to do

In OTL, they were buddies with the Soviet Union in the early years because they needed support. Once they got on their feet, they told the Soviets to back off. Then the shooting started.

A Sino-Soviet war almost broke out in 1969, and could have brought out the nukes.

It's like two bullies fighting. Bullies don't like being told what to do. Especially from another bully.
 
Wouldn't China still be comparatively backwards for a few decades at least? And wouldn't it be rather pro-American without communism?

Don't get me wrong, I am not proposing an infinitely sustainable world hegemony. In fact anti-American political revolutions/realignments would be interesting in their own right. I just want them delayed a few decades in a way that will substantially change culture and politics.

In that sense, yes it is possible. Especially if the USSR is wrecked enough that there is no cold war. Without the US bullying other nations into the anti-soviet block, the USA could keep a respected position of power in the world diplomatic scene rather than just being the lesser of two evils that cold war politics seemed to produce.
 
China is a big country that doesn't like being told what to do

In OTL, they were buddies with the Soviet Union in the early years because they needed support. Once they got on their feet, they told the Soviets to back off. Then the shooting started.

A Sino-Soviet war almost broke out in 1969, and could have brought out the nukes.

It's like two bullies fighting. Bullies don't like being told what to do. Especially from another bully.

This is all very true. But the USSR was being particularly pushy and patronizing towards China, and there was this issue of Khrushchev denouncing Stalin and prioritizing better relations with the west over solidarity with China.

In this timeline, China is almost an afterthought for the US. It has its hands full with Europe and shares no borders or any ideological affinity with the Chinese. Very different situation than the OTL Sino-Soviet relations.
 
This is all very true. But the USSR was being particularly pushy and patronizing towards China, and there was this issue of Khrushchev denouncing Stalin and prioritizing better relations with the west over solidarity with China.

In this timeline, China is almost an afterthought for the US. It has its hands full with Europe and shares no borders or any ideological affinity with the Chinese. Very different situation than the OTL Sino-Soviet relations.

But in this timeline, China hasn't necessarily fallen into communism. If it doesn't it will likey enjoy good relations with the United States. And I can't really think of a time when the US didn't give a damn about China. In your example, yes, America did have its hands full, but that doesn't mean that it didn't care about whether China went communist or not. It just had more pressing concerns at the time.
 
This is my first post here.

I am interested in US pop culture of the 50s and 60s. Considering how much of it was influenced by the cold war, I have often wondered what would have happened if the US ended up as the sole superpower by 1950. This could come about in several ways:
-The Soviet Union does worse during the war and ends up as second-rate power, barely extending beyond Russian borders. The US conquers all of Germany and liberates eastern Europe on its own

OTL, the USSR did not really expand its power much beyond its own borders... especially compared with the existing scope of British imperial power (though that was about to implode) or the vast expansion of U.S. influence and power. So this doesn't really change things, unless the USSR is really crippled.
(including some former soviet republics)...

This is not plausible. Which SSRs? The Baltic states and Moldova barely count as Soviet territory, having been annexed in 1940. Central Asia and the Transcaucasus would never be occupied by the Axis. Ukraine and Belarus were fairly integral parts of "Russia" and the U.S. would not be likely to support any separatism there. (One doesn't chop off hunks of an ally's territory.)

The scenario I am envisioning entails the US being seen as the good guys liberating Europe from the twin horrors of Nazism and Communism.
Nazism, yes. Communism, no. Communism managed to get included among the Good Guys, and thus was not a target for "liberation".

One needs a scenario in which the USSR basically implodes in the course of the war; perhaps undergoing some convulsion in which Communism collapses.

Suppose that the Pacific War is delayed several months. The knock-ons are:

The British follow up the CRUSADER victory and finish the Africa campaign in early 1942.

By the time Japan goes to war (April 1942), the British have reinforced Malaya and Burma with veterans from the Middle East and additional aircraft. Singapore falls eventually, but Burma holds. The U.S. supplies China by land, and the Chinese army drives the Japanese back in places. Japan eventually falls in 1945, after being nuked. However, China has performed much better and is position to put down Mao for good.

Meanwhile... There is no North African campaign diverting resources from the Eastern Front. With the Axis driven away, French North Africa joins the Allies in September. The U.S. is somewhat behind OTL in ramping up its forces; the US/UK finally respond to Second Front demands by invading Crete in December 1942.

However, the reserves that OTL went to Tunisia have been sent east. With this added force, and a lot of extra airlift to supply the Axis pocket, the Germans beat back the Soviet counterattack at Stalingrad. Stalin goes apeshit and orders a new Great Purge of the Red Army. This leads to a coup attempt which kills Stalin, but Beria leads a counter-coup and purge which paralyzes the Red Army for a month before he too is killed. Eventually the Army beats the Chekists. With Moscow in chaos and communications cut off, Marshal X, the Soviet theater commander in the Transcaucasus takes it on himself to invite US/UK forces from Iran into Soviet territory.

This becomes a full scale Army Group. The presence of so many US/UK personnel in Soviet territory, and the resulting contact with the Soviet army and people, undermines the Communist grip, already shaken by the defeats under Stalin and the coup/counter-coup. Marshal X (who is the favorite of the aid-providing US/UK) becomes commander-in-chief. US/UK illusions about Stalin and Communism are dispelled.

(Details of the rest of the war elided.)
The USSR disgorges its 1939-1940 annexations.

After the war, there is a widespread popular movement in the USSR against the Communists. Peasants revolt en masse against collective farming, factory workers reject the orders of GOSPLAN. These dissidents form independent political groups. The remnants of the Party order a crackdown. Marshal X instead leads a coup which turns out the Party.

Russia becomes a moderate state, still heavily socialist, authoritarian (Marshal X is President and will serve to the end of his life), but vastly more open and democratic - and completely uninterested in World Revolution.

China is consolidated under the KMT. With no external military threats, it becomes a rising entrepreneurial state, and a major influence on Russia.

Japan and Germany have been crushed.

The U.S. is the Biggest Dog in the world, and there aren't really any others to worry about.

The US has it all in terms of both soft power and hard power, and the rest of the western world is highly dependent upon it. It might also help to have side effects that will discredit ideologies like Gaullism and High Toryism, giving US-style liberalism monopoly on world politics and

Absent the threat of Soviet Communism, Western Europe would be less dependent on the U.S. I think one would still see Gaullism and High Toryism. Gaullism might be less acute because the U.S. would be less domineering, and thus less irritating to French sensibilities
US pop culture a similar monopoly on world culture.

The absence of Communism also means the absence of the wet blanket of Communist rule on Russian and Chinese and other cultures; the U.S. will have more competition very soon.
My question to the board is: What happens to the US itself in terms of politics and culture? What are some of the more interesting (but plausible) possibilities?

That's a wide-open subject.

To start with, permanent demobilization of the WW II mass military, and much lower military budgets. In the OTL 1950s, defense was about half of Federal spending, and the deficits were very small. From 1951 through 1960, the aggregate deficit was only $29B, while defense spending was $374B. If defense spending had been left at $12B/year (the 1949 level), there could have been a $245B surplus, reducing the national debt by over 90%.

That's got to have immense economic effects. Or more likely, income tax rates are substantially reduced - which has other massive effects.

Another effect is that the armed forces remain small and probably revert to all-volunteer. That changes the culture of the armed forces. Historically the Army especially was dominated by Southerners who enforced segregation. OTL that changed when Truman decreed otherwise, and the armed forces became in a way a social laboratory - the first racially inclusive major American institution. That change was necessary in part because of the draft. It would have been impossible to continue to draft blacks and still treat them unfairly.

If the armed forces become all-volunteer, they don't have to reform. Blacks will just not enlist, and the armed forces will remain all white and a citadel of bigotry.

There's a further knock-on - with the armed forces about 70% smaller, the number of people qualifying for "GI Bill" benefits is much smaller, which has knock-ons for colleges and universities, and the real estate market. This effect will be magnified by decreasing political support for these benefits - when the recipients are not the heroes of a great war, but peacetime barracks occupants.

American culture will also be directly influenced by much larger imports from China - and from ongoing contact with Cuba.

The Bomb will probably be internationalized. No looming threat of Doomsday. No Fail-Safe, On The Beach, Dr. Strangelove.
 
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

This is not plausible. Which SSRs? The Baltic states and Moldova barely count as Soviet territory, having been annexed in 1940. Central Asia and the Transcaucasus would never be occupied by the Axis. Ukraine and Belarus were fairly integral parts of "Russia" and the U.S. would not be likely to support any separatism there. (One doesn't chop off hunks of an ally's territory.)

Yes, I understand that they are not "proper" soviet territory but they were -- IIRC -- incorporated as SSRs soon after they were occupied. As for the Ukraine, the place has been deliberately starved by the communists and are likely to be under partisan control if the soviet end up doing much worse in the war. Moreover, the US knows the soviets can't really go to war against them. Wouldn't that be enough reason to support an independent Ukraine?

Nazism, yes. Communism, no. Communism managed to get included among the Good Guys, and thus was not a target for "liberation".

But would that happen when the truth about communist crimes gets out earlier? Or when there is no need to appease the commies?

One needs a scenario in which the USSR basically implodes in the course of the war; perhaps undergoing some convulsion in which Communism collapses

Suppose that the Pacific War is delayed several months [...]

That's very plausible, I had something similar in mind.

Absent the threat of Soviet Communism, Western Europe would be less dependent on the U.S.

Eventually, yes. But I was thinking about the immediate post-war situation where, much like OTL, Europe is in ruins and there is this great moral pressure to participate in a US-led, continent-wide Marshall Plan to help the war-ravaged east. US political ideas are likely to dominate European politics for a few decades or so.

But I don't think China, Russia or E. Europe can really compete with the US in the cultural sphere.


To start with, permanent demobilization of the WW II mass military, and much lower military budgets. In the OTL 1950s, defense was about half of Federal spending, and the deficits were very small. From 1951 through 1960, the aggregate deficit was only $29B, while defense spending was $374B. If defense spending had been left at $12B/year (the 1949 level), there could have been a $245B surplus, reducing the national debt by over 90%.

That's got to have immense economic effects. Or more likely, income tax rates are substantially reduced - which has other massive effects.

Another effect is that the armed forces remain small and probably revert to all-volunteer. That changes the culture of the armed forces. Historically the Army especially was dominated by Southerners who enforced segregation. OTL that changed when Truman decreed otherwise, and the armed forces became in a way a social laboratory - the first racially inclusive major American institution. That change was necessary in part because of the draft. It would have been impossible to continue to draft blacks and still treat them unfairly.

If the armed forces become all-volunteer, they don't have to reform. Blacks will just not enlist, and the armed forces will remain all white and a citadel of bigotry.

There's a further knock-on - with the armed forces about 70% smaller, the number of people qualifying for "GI Bill" benefits is much smaller, which has knock-ons for colleges and universities, and the real estate market. This effect will be magnified by decreasing political support for these benefits - when the recipients are not the heroes of a great war, but peacetime barracks occupants.

American culture will also be directly influenced by much larger imports from China - and from ongoing contact with Cuba.

The Bomb will probably be internationalized. No looming threat of Doomsday. No Fail-Safe, On The Beach, Dr. Strangelove.

Thanks, that was what I was looking for.
 
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