The soviet union 1984 -

girld22

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Hi everyone this is my second timeline and my first one in post 1900. This alternative history will is about a reenergized soviet union, a cooling in the cold war and a new type of war with much much more stuff. Ps this is my first timeline enjoy https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=255034
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Prelude

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By the mid 1980s the Soviet Union was facing massive socie-economic problems and a bloody war in Afghanistan. With all that it was ruled by old men who died after only a few years in power and to top of all that it was facing a rearming and more aggressive America. .....
 

girld22

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Prelude part 1
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By the mid-1980s the Soviet Union was facing massive social-economic problems and a bloody war in Afghanistan. With all that it was ruled by old men who died after only a few years in power and to top of all that it was facing a rearming and more aggressive America. The stagnation and decline of the Soviet Union and its economy was evident ever since the Union began importing grain from the United States in the seventies. Following Leonid Brezhnev’s death Yuri Andropov was elected by the CPSU (Communist party of the Soviet Union) to become the leader of the Country. Andropov was previously the head of the KGB and was instrumental in crushing the Hungarian uprising and the Prague spring.

He was a little known figure in the West mostly known by his actions as stated above and very little was known about his personal life. Andropov was like his predecessor an old man but unlike his predecessor he saw the stagnation and corruption within the system and he attempted to solve these problems by cracking down on corrupted officials and replacing many government officials with younger more dynamic men. In economic terms he attempted to solve the economic situation by making people work harder and getting them to be more disciplined. In foreign affairs, Andropov continued Brezhnev's policies. US−Soviet relations deteriorated rapidly beginning in March 1983, when US President Ronald Reagan dubbed the Soviet Union an "evil empire". The official press agency TASS accused Reagan of "thinking only in terms of confrontation and bellicose, lunatic anti-communism". Further deterioration occurred as a result of the Sept. 1, 1983 Soviet shoot down of Korean Air Lines Flight 007 near Moneron Island carrying 269 people including a sitting US congressman, Larry McDonald, and over Reagan's stationing of intermediate-range nuclear missiles in Western Europe. In Afghanistan, Angola, Nicaragua and elsewhere, under the Reagan Doctrine, the U.S. began undermining Soviet-supported governments by supplying arms to anti-communist resistance movements in these nations.

In mid-1984 Anton Orlov was made an aide to the ailing Yuri Andropov and he was a rising star in the Soviet government, rising through the ranks. He was shroud ambitious and determined to become the next leader of his country at all coasts. The Soviet Union got a chance to regain some of its international prominence by condemning the actions of Margret Thatchers actions against the union, miners and portraying Ronald Reagan as a warmongering buffoon because of “We begin bombing in five minutes” joke. Anton Orlov began directly influencing the policy of the military by convincing Andropov to change course in the Afghan war.


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(Antov Orlov)

The Soviet military began quietly and slowly withdrawing from Afghanistan and instead the soviets shifted their to position to waging an intelligence war after it was discovered that certain elements within the soviet military in Afghanistan were extremely corrupt and were selling weapons to the Americans to supply the Mujadieen. It was also discovered that the Czechoslovak government was also selling weapons to the Americans and this resulted in many Czechoslovak government officials and Soviet army officer being either shot or sent to newly reastabilished hard labour camps in Siberia. The money recovered from the officials was used to create instability in Pakistan in order to stop the Mujideen.

The effort was led by Konstantin Chernenko and Anton Orlov who used the funds to create and expand communist and separatist’s insurgencies in Pakistan. The National people’s liberation front in Pakistan was the primiary group which operated in Waziristan and areas near the Afghan border. It had success and the Mujadieen were facing supply problems. At the same time The soviet union began creating political and economic instability in Saudi Arabia because it was funding the enemy in Afghanistan this was done by assassinations and sabotage. ........

The world in the 1980s



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So what do you guys think is this begining good or bad interesting boring ? Comment below let me know
 

Incognito

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girld22 said:
...it was discovered that certain elements within the soviet military in Afghanistan were extremely corrupt and were selling weapons to the Americans to supply the Mujadieen. It was also discovered that the Czechoslovak government was also selling weapons to the Americans and this resulted in many Czechoslovak government officials and Soviet army officer being either shot or sent to newly reastabilished hard labour camps in Siberia.
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So USSR, in 1984, executes and/or sends to gulags Czechoslovak politicians? Somehow I doubt this. Had we been talking about Stalin Era than sure. Maybe you know of some precedent which I don't know about but I can't see this happening in mid 80s.
 

girld22

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Well the USSR was continuing this in the 1980s they crecked down on dessent its one of the reason Detente ended. But in this case were talking about corrupt officals.
 

Incognito

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girld22 said:
Well the USSR was continuing this in the 1980s they crecked down on dessent its one of the reason Detente ended. But in this case were talking about corrupt officals.
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Do you know of any cases where USSR in 1980s would arrest politicians, even corrupt ones, from other Eastern European countries?
 

girld22

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i get most of my sources from the documentary Cold war. Its a great documentary and with balanced views. Who knows maybe Andropov did crack down. He could have done it, Maybe they found intelliegence which suggested this i dont know. Most of my stuff is real and is researched well most anyway it dont want to make it to boring after all.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0170896/
 

girld22

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Another reason for targeting Saudi Arabia was because it had a negative effect on the Soviet Union. By July Yuri Andropov had died and was succeed by Konstantin Chernenko another ailing and aging leader and could barely speak during his own inaugration.



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Konstantin Chernenko


The short relationship between Chernonko and Orlov deteriorated and Orlov was “Promoted” to oversee a region in north eastern Ukraine. Chernonko was an incompetent leader having neither the vision nor qualities to lead the Union thought Orlov but he saw his exile as an opportunity rather than a failure. Chernenko represented a return to the policies of the late Brezhnev era. Nevertheless, he supported a greater role for the labour unions, and reform in education and propaganda.


In foreign policy, he negotiated a trade pact with the People's Republic of China. Despite calls for renewed détente, Chernenko did little to prevent the escalation of the Cold War with the United States. For example, in 1984, the Soviet Union prevented a visit to West Germany by East German leader Erich Honecker. However, in late autumn of 1984, the U.S. and the Soviet Union did agree to resume arms control talks in early 1985. In November 1984 Chernenko met with Britain's Labour Party leader, Neil Kinnock.


In 1980, the U.S. had boycotted the Summer Olympics held in Moscow in protest at the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The following 1984 Summer Olympics were due to be held in Los Angeles, California. On 8 May 1984, under Chernenko's leadership, the USSR announced its intention not to participate, citing security concerns and "chauvinistic sentiments and an anti-Soviet hysteria being whipped up in the United States",.The boycott was joined by 14 Eastern Bloc countries and allies, including Cuba (but not Romania). The action was widely seen as revenge for the US boycott of the Moscow Games. The boycotting countries organized their own 'Friendship Games' in the summer of 1984.


Iran-Iraq 1984

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During the 1980s Iraq under Saddam Hussein was a soviet ally and a major oil producer and it was involved in a bloody war with Iran. The war was about the status of Khūzestān province in Iran and Saddam fears over a potential shite uprising against his rule because he was Sunni. The war began in late 1980 and was triggered when the Iranian revolution of 1979 overthrow the Shah. Saddam hoping to take advantage of the situation invaded Iran with support from the United States and other western countries. During the early years of the war Iraq made some progress but by 1982 all progress was lost and by 1984 the war was in a stalemate with neither side gaining an advantage. Relations between Iraq and Syria were tense ever since Saddams rise to power. The United states although not officially an ally of Iraq supported it in terms of money and other support. In that Iran acquired intelligence through a mole which either gave them the location Saddam or a high ranking official in a bunker complex near Baghdad. Hoping to take advantage of the opportunity the Iranian coordinated with Peshmerga (Kurdish fighter), Syria and Hezbollah and launched Operation Downfall rising. The Operation was a huge gamble and was carried out on July 29 and began with Peshmerga intensifying their attacks against the Iraqi army in Kurdistan at the same time Syria began pouring small numbers of Hezbollah and its own troops in Anbar. Then by 30 July the raid was successful and a few days later it was announced by Iraqi Tv that a large number of high-ranking officials were killed. Saddam himself was in a coma. As the news Spread Syria began to pour even more troops into Iraq since the Iraqi army was distracted with the Iranian border.


The USA 1984

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Under Ronald Reagan America was becoming more aggressive and was rearming itself while trying to recover from one of the worst economic crisis in its history. Reagan funded the opposition in Latin American countries such as Nicaragua and increased funding for anti-communist opposition groups in other countries around the world. Reagan was facing presidential election which he easily won in a landslide. Reagan faced an increasingly problematic situation when dealing with the Middle East because of the Iran-Iraq and decided to divide Iraq into three states one for the Sunni, shite and Kurds. The reason for this was because it was believed that Iraq would not survive would out a strongman like Saddam and The In the words of Reagan himself Iran and Russia in the Mid-east no way hose.

The three states would act as a buffer between Iran, The US and Soviet Union. The operation would be code name Operation Trinity. As the months passed some elements relating to the Operation were by a junior officer in the pentagon by a private Arnold Barnett. Among the leaked information included evidence that the United States gave Saddam chemical weapons. The country was shocked and congress launched an investigation. The Soviet Union condemned America’s action or planned action with some difficulty because of the power struggle and the weakness of Chemenko.

Afghanistan-Pakistan 1984

By mid-1984 certain parts of Pakistan and most of Afghanistan were war zones. In Afghanistan the ferocity of the war was decreasing because of the fighting in Afghanistan and Babarak Kamal became more independent of Moscow in order to increase the legitimacy of his government. He decided that individuals were entitled to own their own land this had a great effect it by the end of the year Afghanistan was producing food, the governments reputation was slowly improving. Soviet forces were also withdrawing because Anton Orlovs allies had instructed the military to be less brutal. At the same time the intelliegence war continued with increased funding for the Pakistani National Peoples Liberation front in Waziristan. It seemed that the Soviet would have a chance to win the war. Also certain elements with the mujadieen wanted to negotiate because of supply problems.

In Pakistan things were getting worse the National Peoples Liberation front was gaining increasing support from the peasents and other in Pakistan because of the brutal regime of president Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq and because of India continuing Incursions because they sensed an opportunity to take Kashmir. This is because of the conflict in Waziristan.


Latin America 1984

To the Soviet Union Latin America was an exotic land that was difficult to reach and most of its affairs were conducted by its ally Cuba. Cuba was a Soviet ally not a puppet with its own independent policy and which was funding communist insurgencies and governments in Latin America.
 
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girld22

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So what does everyone think about how the story is progressing so far ?

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comment below let me know
 

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1985-1987 the Soviet Union:

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Konstantin Chernenko died after ruling for only a few months and he was succeeded by Mikhail Gorbachev only a few hours after his death. Gorbachev was now the De facto ruler of the second most powerful nation on Earth and unlike his predecessor he was young, energetic and an avid reformer. He believed that the Soviet Union needed to reform and be more open in order to survive. He instituted the policies of Prestoka, Glasnot and economic development. He hoped that these policies would improve the economy, make the system more transparent and reduce corruption within the party and government.





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Gorbachev's primary goal as General Secretary was to revive the Soviet economy after the stagnant Brezhnev years. In 1985, he announced that the Soviet economy was stalled and that reorganization was needed. Gorbachev proposed a "vague programme of reform", which was adopted at the April Plenum of the Central Committee. He called for fast-paced technological modernization and increased industrial and agricultural productivity, and he attempted to reform the Soviet bureaucracy to be more efficient and prosperous


Gorbachev soon realized that fixing the Soviet economy would be nearly impossible without reforming the political and social structure of the Communist nation. Gorbachev also initiated the concept of gospriyomka (state acceptance of production) during his time as leaderwhich represented state approval of goods in an effort to maintain quality control and combat inferior manufacturing.
He made a speech in May 1985 in Leningrad (now St. Petersburg) advocating widespread reforms. The reforms began in personnel changes; the most notable change was the replacement of Andrei Gromyko as Minister of Foreign Affairs with Eduard Shevardnadze. Gromyko, disparaged as "Mr Nyet" in the West, had served for 28 years as Minister of Foreign Affairs and was considered an 'old thinker'. Robert D. English notes that, despite Shevardnadze's diplomatic inexperience, Gorbachev "shared with him an outlook" and experience in managing an agricultural region of the Soviet Union (Georgia) which meant that both had weak links to the powerful military-industrial complex.



A number of reformist ideas were discussed by Politburo members. One of the first reforms Gorbachev introduced was the anti-alcohol campaign, begun in May 1985, which was designed to fight widespread alcoholism in the Soviet Union. Prices of vodka, wine, and beer were raised, and their sales were restricted. It was pursued vigorously and cut both alcohol sales and government revenue It was a serious blow to the state budget—a loss of approximately 100 billion rubles according to Alexander Yakovlev—after alcohol production migrated to the black market economy. The program proved to be a useful symbol for change in the country, however.


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The purpose of reform, however, was to prop up the centrally planned economy, not transition to market socialism. Speaking in late summer 1985 to the secretaries for economic affairs of the central committees of the East European communist parties, Gorbachev said: "Many of you see the solution to your problems in resorting to market mechanisms in place of direct planning. Some of you look at the market as a lifesaver for your economies. But, comrades, you should not think about lifesavers but about the ship, and the ship is socialism.
In contrast to his controversial domestic reforms, Gorbachev was largely hailed in the West for his 'New Thinking' in foreign affairs. During his tenure, he sought to improve relations and trade with the West by reducing Cold War tensions. He established close relationships with several Western leaders, such as West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, U.S. President Ronald Reagan, and British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher—who famously remarked: "I like Mr. Gorbachev; we can do business together.



Gorbachev understood the link between achieving international détente and domestic reform and thus began extending 'New Thinking' abroad immediately. On 8 April 1985, he announced the suspension of the deployment of SS-20s in Europe as a move towards resolving intermediate-range nuclear weapons (INF) issues. Later that year, in September, Gorbachev proposed that the Soviets and Americans both cut their nuclear arsenals in half. He went to France on his first trip abroad as Soviet leader in October. November saw the Geneva Summit between Gorbachev and Ronald Reagan. Though no concrete agreement was made, Gorbachev and Reagan struck a personal relationship and decided to hold further meetings.
January 1986 would see Gorbachev make his boldest international move so far, when he announced his proposal for the elimination of intermediate-range nuclear weapons in Europe and his strategy for eliminating all nuclear weapons by the year 2000 (often referred to as the 'January Proposal'). He also began the process of withdrawing troops from Afghanistan and Mongolia on 28 July. Nonetheless, many observers, such as Jack F. Matlock Jr. (despite generally praising Gorbachev as well as Reagan), have criticized Gorbachev for taking too long to achieve withdrawal from the Afghanistan War, citing it as an example of lingering elements of 'old thinking' in Gorbachev. Others, such as Heritage Foundation foreign policy analyst Michael Johns, criticized Gorbachev's military support for the Ethiopian regime of Mengistu Haile Mariam, which Johns argued was a contributing factor to Ethiopia's mass famine.



On 11 October 1986, Gorbachev and Reagan met in Reykjavík, Iceland to discuss reducing intermediate-range nuclear weapons in Europe. To the immense surprise of both men's advisers, the two agreed in principle to removing INF systems from Europe and to equal global limits of 100 INF missile warheads. They also essentially agreed in principle to eliminate all nuclear weapons in 10 years (by 1996), instead of by the year 2000 as in Gorbachev's original outline. Continuing trust issues, particularly over reciprocity and Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), meant that the summit is often regarded as a failure for not producing a concrete agreement immediately, or for leading to a staged elimination of nuclear weapons. In the long term, nevertheless, this would culminate in the signing of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty in 1987, after Gorbachev had proposed this elimination on 22 July 1987 (and it was subsequently agreed on in Geneva on 24 November).


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On April in 1986 the Soviet Union faced the Chernobyl nuclear disaster where the nuclear plant in the area exploded. This had massive consequences not only for the environment but also politically and economically this is because a lot of people were forced to evacuate, there was environmental damage and the disaster exposed the state of decay of that the soviet infrastructure was in.

Anton Orlov was back in Moscow and opposing Garbochev in every way because he believed that his policies were going to lead to the end of the Union. Instead of opposing openly Orlov began to secretly build up his support and power. He planned to take over when the time was right. Orlov did agree with certain things that Garbochev did such exposing corruption.

Anton Orlov hated corrupted officials this is becausez during his childhood years, he was the son of a former corrupt cop named Mikael Orloe. The senior Orlov frequently abused Anton by using a coin to decide whether Anton will go without a night of beating. Unbeknownst to Anton at the time, the coin was double-headed, meaning that no matter which side it lands, it always results in his being beaten by his father. His father's status as a retired cop also prevented the proper authorities from stopping his child abuse. He eventually became an orphan after his parents were killed in a car accident. The abuse from his father, as well as the police's failure to stop it, gave him a deep hatred of corrupt cops, which led to his pursuing the political job when he was older. Anton Orlov wanted an end to the corruption, economic reforms along the lines of China and some political and social concessions. However it would be a few years before that would happen. In the meantime he had to sit and watch while Garbochev continued his stupid policies that would fail sooner or later. He also thought that Gorbachev was weak when dealing with the west and could be easily influence by the west.

Geneva 1985

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The Geneva Summit of 1985 was a Cold War-era meeting in Geneva, Switzerland. It was held on November 19 and 20, 1985, between U.S. president Ronald Reagan and Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev. The two leaders met for the first time to hold talks on international diplomatic relations and the arms race. It was decide in this meeting that the Iran-Iraq and the Soviet-Afghan wars should come to an end because both of the conflicts could start a wider regional war and threaten world peace and the economy. Ever since the fallout from Operation Trinity the Reagon administration changed course and decided on a united Iraq was better for stabilizing the region. It was decided that both sides would try and put pressure on Iran and Iraq to call a ceasefire and end the conflict. Afghanistan was a very complicated affair it was seen by the Union as its own backyard and an a west friendly Afghanistan was never going it to be accepted. Afghanistan was debated heavily without any conclusions being reached. In terms of arms reductions both sides didn’t achieve a whole lot either.

1985-1987 Iran-Iraq
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By late 1985 the war in the Iraq was a stalemate with the conflict being increasingly limited to Iraq and very small sections of Iran. Salah Aboud Mahmoud a general seized power and filled with more arrogance then common sense decided to continue the war by this time most of the north was under peshmerga and Syria contolled most of Anbar. The Iraqis still controlled the south and fighting In Bashrah was bloodier than ever in the words of one CNN journalists it was all quiet on the western front. The Syrians and the peshmerga didn’t advance beyond Anbar or Kurdistan not wanting to be drawn into the bloody fighting. Saddam was announced dead in September who officially died from his wounds.




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In 1987 after months of bloody fighting the Iranians took Basra or whatever was left of the city because. The Iraqi army launched a scoretched earth policy and Gnereal Mahmoud was executed and a civilian this time took power. He immediately sent word to the Iranians to negotiate. Both sides began negotiations.

Pakistan- Afghanistan 1985-1987

The war in Afghanistan was becoming an increasingly one sided affair with the Mujahideen increasingly out of resources and with the Soviet army continuing to withdraw from most of the country. Support for the Islamists decreased because the Soviets were withdrawing and because of Garbochev who gave more power to the Soviet Unions allies and told them to reform. The economic reforms along Chinese lines were helping the country export food in fact Afghanistan was now producing a lot of food more then it needed. More and more groups were simply being disbanded. Also the government gave open religious policy and some moderate islamists were allowed in local government. The only troubling part was Kandahar province were resistance to development and fighting was still fierce because it was near Pakistan. In Pakistan things were increasingly getting hotter Waziristan was mostly under the control of the National Peoples liberation front under the leadership of the charismatic Ahmad Yousifzia and to the south and east the separatist group Balushi liberation front had controlled all or influence on most of the separatist groups. It was funded by Moscow although it was not communist. The KGB had two objectives for the group eliminiate groups supporting the insurgency in Afghanistan and gain as much control of Balushitan as possible. The CIA responded increasing support for the groups and creating counter groups in Waziristan and Balushitan. It was said by a CIA operative the closer to Baluchistan and Waziristan the closer to hell.

USA 1985-1987

Despite the setback from the trinity disaster with several high ranking US officals including Vice President George Bush resigning. By mid-1986 President Reagan was again popular although moderately and his government policies were revitalizing the economy. Reagan was a hard line anti-communist and a believer in limited government.
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For thirty years before Reagan became president, federal spending on domestic programs increased, doubling in the 1950s, doubling again in the 1960s, and nearly doubling yet again in the 1970s. The Reagan administration sought to stop the growth of government and at the same time stimulate a struggling economy by slowing the growth of domestic spending and cutting taxes. The Reaganites hoped that an energized economy would mean greater tax revenues in spite of the tax cuts, and allow for a balanced budget by 1984. Congress passed the 1981 Economic Recovery Tax Act, which called for a 25% income tax reduction for all taxpayers. It also lowered corporate tax rates .Due in large part to the tight money policies of the Federal Reserve (policies put into place to reduce inflation), the economy went into recession in 1981. While federal spending on social services increased to provide for the poor and unemployed during these hard times, tax revenues declined. In 1982, the budget deficit topped $110 billion. In 1986 it was $203 billion. By the latter year the nation was well into a 96-month-long economic recovery during which 20 million new jobs were created -- the longest peacetime expansion in modern American history. Inflation had fallen, as had interest rates. The stock market tripled in value. Unemployment was down. Government revenues doubled. And yet the budget deficits remained high. By the end of the decade the national debt (the accumulation of budget deficits) had tripled, from $900 million to nearly $2.7 trillion. In 1986 Reagan signed the Trinity accountability act named after the disastrous Trinity Operation which if had launched would have divided or attempted to divide Iraq into three states. Larry Presler was the new US VP after the Trinity leak resulted in the resignation of George Bush.


China 1985-1987





Ever since 1979 and Deng Xiapong and the reformers gaining power China was a rising star in the international scene because of its economic. Deng's first reforms began in agriculture, a sector long neglected by the Communist Party. By the late 1970s, food supplies and production had become so deficient that government officials were warning that China was about to repeat the "disaster of 1959" - the famines which killed tens of millions during the Great Leap Forward. Deng responded by decollectivizing agriculture and emphasizing the Household-responsibility system, which divided the land of the poeoples commision into private plots. Farmers were able to keep the land's output after paying a share to the state. This move increased agricultural production, increased the living standards of hundreds of millions of farmers and stimulated rural industry.
Reforms were also implemented in urban industry to increase productivity. A dual price system was introduced, in which state-owned industries were allowed to sell any production above the plan quota, and commodities were sold at both plan and market prices, allowing citizens to avoid the shortages of the Maoist era. Private businesses were allowed to operate for the first time since the Communist takeover, and they gradually began to make up a greater percentage of industrial output. Price flexibility was also increased, expanding the service sector.
The country was opened to foreign investment for the first time since the Kuomintang era. Deng created a series of special economic zones for foreign investment that were relatively free of the bureaucratic regulations and interventions that hampered economic growth. These regions became engines of growth for the national economy. China would also advise Afghanistan to pursue similar reforms which would result in economic stability.
 
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Achronism

Greetings, Girld22!

Seems to me like the TL is holding up pretty good :) Keep it up!
I understand you've got hold of a huge body of reference material. Is it the ground work for a novel?

I was wondering - can you see anyway that Gorbachev's reforms could have made the USSR still being around these days (with at least a détente-level cold war)?
 

MatthewFirth

Good work on it so far. But I would like to see how it would effect relationships with other countries other than the terrorists and the US.
 
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