AH Challgene: triple or multisided cold war

1 how can we get a triple sided cold war? bonus points if its the USA VS both unconventional nations(like diffin;s WORE/ISSR or my Ottoman Empire/RSSR). Extra points if you make the cold war be against a nation that IOTL is a strong ally of the USA or a nation that IOTL is too weak to challegne americaAT ALL.

2 Or if you're insane... How can we get a Fascist (Black) Germany controlling the Baltics, Belarus, the Ukraine, and a piece of the oilfields in the Caucasus and allied to South-Eastern Europe and Syria. A Democratic Capitalist (Blue) America allied to Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Canada, South America, Saudi Arabia, Iran, South Africa, Central and South America. A Communist (Red) USSR (minus German occupied lands) allied to Iraq, Mongolia, Ethiopia, and maybe Pakistan. And a Democratic Socialist (Green) side comprising France, Spain, Italy, Egypt, India, and most of Northern Africa

I'm reading Illusions of Victory, Thomas Fleming's latest bout of revisionist history, and he discusses someone named Cailleux in France who wished to make some sort of deal with Germany and then assemble a "Latin League" w/ Spain and Italy. Cailleux was a socialist, so a POD could be that he takes power (via coup or legislative shenigans--I can't remember which one he planned), makes peace w/ Germany, and manages to establish a socialist Latin League. Mussolini could stay a socialist and be the Cailleux-esque "Caudillo" of Italy. The Latin League could put down Franco and establish socialism in Spain too.

Illusions of Victory covers WWI. The POD for the "Latin League" would be in 1918-ish. Since much of North Africa belonged to the Latin League states anway (Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya), it wouldn't be TOO hard to pull off.

wasn't there sort of a three sided cold war anyway, when China split from Russia? granted, China wasn't so much of a superpower. Still, if they didn't have OTL's reapproachment with the US, you could have your 3-sided cold war, where all 3 of the world's big powers dislike each other...

One POD I was always interested in was the supposed Nonaligned Movement of the Bandung Pact of 1955. The organization was composed of newly independent states of Subsaharan Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, South Asia, and Latin America. Leaders of the organization included Indonesia's Sukarno, Egypt's Nasser, India's Nehru, and Yugoslavia's Tito. Apparently the People's Republic of China was interested in joining, under Mao Tse-tung. In OTL, they served mainly as an observer. What if the group had stabilized into a solid political block? Try to imagine the 1990s made even worse by the sudden collapse (c.1994-1996) of the Bandung Pact, with U.S. troops spread out throughout the Third World.

For All Strange Days: Topst Twisted World will have the bandung pact in it

Jose,

We had a lively discussion of the Bandung Pact as a "third force" on the old board. If China joins, that gives the Pact a good-sized military force and a MUCH larger population. We also floated the idea of the "Golden Dinar" (some sort of gold- or oil-backed common currency) that might be helpful in binding the Pact economically.

Straha,

Your "insane" scenario leaves out much of Asia. Perhaps the Bandung Pact could be worked in, along with Cailleux's "Latin League" in SW Europe and North Africa, a victorious Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and the US/Britain and friends.

Matt Quinn said:

Straha,

Your "insane" scenario leaves out much of Asia. Perhaps the Bandung Pact could be worked in, along with Cailleux's "Latin League" in SW Europe and North Africa, a victorious Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and the US/Britain and friends.

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hmmmmmm... a nice idea maybe I'll do it

That's a lightning fast wit you have there Straha Only about 5 months for a reply

1920 POD. The IRA blows up Parliament. This is after the British public realises that they have been misled about reparations from Germany and the postwar reward for their suffering in the trenches. The Labor party takes over Britain after byelections in company with the Irish MPs (Ireland was overweighted in MPs by the Act of Union or whatever it was) and then they let India go.
India does the whole development thing. They build the world's second largest electronics industry putting a radio in every hut, a large submarine navy and a nonexistent surface navy, an inland pipeline to the Gulf they control because their army was left there after WWI, and lots of mineral exploration that found the significant mineral deposits in Iran, Afghanistan, Tibet, and India itself.
We have an India that sat out WWII, an Eastern Europe dominated by a Russia that had significant logistics and electronics support from India during WWII and is stronger, a China that is independent because the Indians made the Japanese back off with a submarine war during the thirties, and a Western Europe allied to the US. I won't consider Japan as a great power, even if they still somehow hold on to Korea.