Industrialist for President

Presidents of the New Century.

Theodore Roosevelt

Order: 26th President
Term of Office: September 14, 1901– March 4, 1909
Date of Birth: Wednesday, October 27, 1858
Place of Birth: New York City
Date of Death: Monday, January 6, 1919
Place of Death: Oyster Bay, New York
Occupation: politician, soldier, rancher, author
Political Party: Republican
Vice President: Charles Warren Fairbanks
(1905-1909)


Philander C. Knox

Order: 27th President
Term of Office: March 4, 1909– March 4, 1913
Date of Birth: Wednesday, October 27, 1858
Place of Birth: Brownsville, Pennsylvania
Date of Death: October 12, 1921
Place of Death: Washington, D.C.
Occupation: ind. consultant, Attorney General, Senator
Political Party: Republican
Vice President: Andrew William Mellon
(1909-1913)

Andrew William Mellon

Order: 28th President
Term of Office: March 4, 1913– March 4, 1917
Date of Birth: March 24, 1855
Place of Birth: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Date of Death: August 27, 1937
Place of Death: South Hampton, New York
Occupation: banker, industrialist, philanthropist
Political Party: Republican
Vice President: Herbert Hoover
(1913-1917)

John Sharp Williams

Order: 29th President
Term of Office: March 4, 1917– March 4, 1925
Date of Birth: July 30, 1854
Place of Birth: Memphis, Tennessee
Date of Death: September 27, 1932
Place of Death: Yazoo County, Mississippi
Occupation: Poltician, Landowner, Lawyer
Political Party: Democrat
Vice President: (Sugestions?)
(1917-1925)

Ok people help me out with this. A slight tweak in favour of a President Knoxs works (he was up for nomination), but what do you think he'd do durning that term. I have him faring better ecominically, but what exactly happens? I think maybe trade with Japan increases, and more involement in South America. Mellon... as President during WW1 ends up having to deal with a disgrunted Columbia, attempts to retake Panama on the side of Germany. The US is forced to intervene earlier. Europe fares worse...

Oh, and I forgot, Cuba becomes a State in 1911.

Fine I'll finish the list.

Presidents of the USA (cont.)

[INSERT NAME HERE]

Order: 30th President
Term of Office: March 4, 1925– March 4, 1929
Date of Birth:
Place of Birth:
Date of Death:
Place of Death:
Occupation:
Political Party: Democrat
Vice President: (Sugestions?)
(1925-1929)

Norman Thomas

Order: 31st President
Term of Office: March 4, 1929– March 4, 1933
Date of Birth: November 20, 1884
Place of Birth:Marion, Ohio
Date of Death:December 19, 1968
Place of Death: New York, New York
Occupation: Politician
Political Party: American Socialist Party
Vice President: (???)
(1929-1931)

32nd(populist 2 terms)(1933-1941)
33rd (populist 1 term)(1941-1945)
34th (Democrat 2 terms)(1945-1953)
35th (populist 2 terms)(1953-1961)
36th (progressive reform party 1 term)(1961-1965)
37th (Republican two years, assasinated.) (1965-1967)
38th (Democrat 1.5 terms) (1967-1973)
39th (Republican 2 terms)(1973-1981)
40th (Republican 2 terms)(1981-1989)
41st (Liberitarian 1 term) (1989-1993)
42nd (Republican 1 term) (1993-1997)
43rd (Democrat 2 terms) (1997-2004)
44th (Populist )(2004-current day)
Names are needed as well as background information. I do plan to work this far. I'll also start on the World and national histories (tommorrow)

28 views and nobody has anything they wish to say? The list should speak for its self. I just don't know anybody to run for Populist spots. Anybody want to give me a clue?

I'll create a list for you some time tommorow. Must sleep...

[INSERT NAME HERE]

Order: 30th President
Term of Office: March 4, 1925– March 4, 1929
Date of Birth:
Place of Birth:
Date of Death:
Place of Death:
Occupation:
Political Party: Democrat
Vice President: (Sugestions?)
(1925-1929)

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I don't want to put Roosevelt here, would Cactus Jack work here instead? I want this president (for these years) to lead them into a depression era and replace Roosevelt with two Populists.

Philander C. Knox

Order: 27th President
Term of Office: March 4, 1909– March 4, 1913
Date of Birth: Wednesday, October 27, 1858
Place of Birth: Brownsville, Pennsylvania
Date of Death: October 12, 1921
Place of Death: Washington, D.C.
Occupation: ind. consultant, Attorney General, Senator
Political Party: Republican
Vice President: Andrew William Mellon
(1909-1913)

Library of Congress:
KNOX, Philander Chase, a Senator from Pennsylvania; born in Brownsville, Fayette County, Pa., May 6, 1853; attended the University of West Virginia at Morgantown, and graduated from Mount Union College, Alliance, Ohio, in 1872; studied law; admitted to the bar in 1875 and commenced practice in Pittsburgh, Pa.; assistant United States district attorney for the western district of Pennsylvania in 1876; president of the Pennsylvania Bar Association in 1897; appointed Attorney General of the United States in the Cabinet of President William McKinley in 1901; reappointed by President Theodore Roosevelt and served until June 1904, when he resigned, having been appointed as a Republican to the United States Senate to fill the vacancy caused by the death of Matthew S. Quay; subsequently elected to fill the unexpired term and for the full term in 1905 and served from June 10, 1904, until March 4, 1909; Elected president om the Republican Party ticket; declined second term; interment in Washington Memorial Cemetery, Valley Forge, Pa.

Enclycopedia excrep:

I know the improbablity of just one term for two in the Same polticial party in a row. I decided to try this instead of a timeline with no Grover Cleveland.

This chap of any interest to you ?

http://www.governor.ca.gov/govsite/govsgallery/h/biography/governor_23.html

Grey Wolf

Othniel said:

I know the improbablity of just one term for two in the Same polticial party in a row. I decided to try this instead of a timeline with no Grover Cleveland.

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Its not that improbable, and has happened a good few times in the past. Either death or illness prevents re-election, or the incumbent does not wish to be re-elected, or his party rejects him after one term. Either way, his successor simply loses the next election thus making him a one-term president only.

Grey Wolf

Grey Wolf said:

This chap of any interest to you ?

http://www.governor.ca.gov/govsite/govsgallery/h/biography/governor_23.html

Grey Wolf

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Seems like before WW2 the US was still East of Missippi (plus Texas) enpowered. Still seems that way. The Cal. gove probably wouldn't work. Anyways any nitpicks on the choices I've made for whom got elected? Or any suggestions regarding how they might run the country, or what might get them elected? I'm open to ideas.

This is the map while John Sharp Williams is in office.

Othniel said:

Seems like before WW2 the US was still East of Missippi (plus Texas) enpowered. Still seems that way. The Cal. gove probably wouldn't work. Anyways any nitpicks on the choices I've made for whom got elected? Or any suggestions regarding how they might run the country, or what might get them elected? I'm open to ideas.

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I'd never thought of it in those terms - basically that the Southern aristocracy which had provided the majority of the early presidents, has now got its analogue in an East-of-the-Mississippi, plus Texas domination of the top offices ?

I would think that if anyone was to break this it would be California, however, a state admitted into the Union in 1850 without ever having been a territory (it was under military law until then) and one which may well be rising to importance considering the naval bases there.

Grey Wolf

Grey Wolf said:

I'd never thought of it in those terms - basically that the Southern aristocracy which had provided the majority of the early presidents, has now got its analogue in an East-of-the-Mississippi, plus Texas domination of the top offices ?

I would think that if anyone was to break this it would be California, however, a state admitted into the Union in 1850 without ever having been a territory (it was under military law until then) and one which may well be rising to importance considering the naval bases there.

Grey Wolf

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California won't be important until they have a more prominant counterpart in the East. Meji Japan has to happen for at least 15 years or maybe a Chiness power. This is a western US point of view though. Maybe as a vice president, or a few cabinet members in the 1940s.

Othniel said:

California won't be important until they have a more prominant counterpart in the East. Meji Japan has to happen for at least 15 years or maybe a Chiness power. This is a western US point of view though. Maybe as a vice president, or a few cabinet members in the 1940s.

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Have I missed a previous thread here ??? Many apologies if there's more to this than meets the eye !

Grey Wolf

Grey Wolf said:

Have I missed a previous thread here ??? Many apologies if there's more to this than meets the eye !

Grey Wolf

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There is, but right now I'm only concentrating on the inner US workings.
But here is what will happen aboard:
More involment in South America, and more active trade through the Phillipeans will make the US a bigger target during WW1. Cuba even becomes a state before Hawaii. The results are more attention is brough to South America in Europe, especially with Germany (with istead of the faked Zimmerman telegram) allies with Columbia and supports them in the retaking of Panama during WW1 (same trigger). The US steps in too protect Panama from Columbia and the subwarfare surronding Cuba. This results in the long time holding and redevolpment of Columbia, but Germany gets favorable Peace in Europe, resulting in their loss of Central and South American Colonies.

and forgive me for thinking outloud. Tis a bad habit. Any other intresting people, maybe a Vice President for the Democrat John Sharp Williams? How do you think Mellon would run the country?

OTL Mellon: Goverment Source

According to our Treasurey he was charitable, He increasing wanted to decrease public debt, I think he was the greenspan of that era. Now if he came after an popular, but ill Knox in the age of Republicans I think he'd take the vote easily.

Considering what I just read one term maybe too short.

Othniel said:

OTL Mellon: Goverment Source

According to our Treasurey he was charitable, He increasing wanted to decrease public debt, I think he was the greenspan of that era. Now if he came after an popular, but ill Knox in the age of Republicans I think he'd take the vote easily.

Considering what I just read one term maybe too short.

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Well, people get defeated by surprise. For example look at Van Buren, OK he didn't exactly inspire but he had taken Jackson's legacy and built on it, and his opponent was hardly inspirational either.

Most one-termers who are defeated when History would judge them more kindly are usually defeated because of some underlying weakness in the economy which their opponent can use against them - eg George H W Bush might fall into this category. He seemed generally competent, had been instrumental in forcing Saddam Hussain out of Kuwait and ought to have been able to build on this. But economic worries and a clever Democratic campaign focusing on a promise he should never have made defeated him, plus of course the fact that his opponent WAS in this case an inspirational orator.

One could certainly imagine a well-meaning perhaps quiet-natured president to fail to get re-elected despite his achievements, simply because the opposition play on some perceived weakness and field a more charismatic candidate

Grey Wolf