I know abotu that dune movie but perhaps in this TL Peter Jackson does for dune what he did for LOTR in OTL.Redem said:Well they was already a dune movie that got pretty much mix result (arguably the same happen with LOTR)
Straha said:Ok. Or Gygax does invent the d20 system but instead of D&D does it as an RPG set in a sci-fi setting?
It almost requires a different human mindset, at least in terms of the imagination.David S Poepoe said:I think Gygax tapped into a preexisting large fantasy base to begin with and D&D only increased it tremendously. Given the writings of Mallory about King Arthur and its continued influence in literature and the arts I doubt you could really discount the fantasy genre.
Ok so how do we at the very least NOT have science fiction and fantasy not always be put on the same shelves in stores/libraries?David S Poepoe said:I think Gygax tapped into a preexisting large fantasy base to begin with and D&D only increased it tremendously. Given the writings of Mallory about King Arthur and its continued influence in literature and the arts I doubt you could really discount the fantasy genre.
Once an RPG is created in a sci-fi setting there is very little that must be done to convert it into a fantasy RPG. The best example is the GURPS system by Steven Jackson Games.
Actually I remember awhile back reading that the people behind LOTR origionally wanted to do a movie series based on the Asimov's Foundation trilogy (which would have pleased me immensely). The deal didn't go through LOTR was made instead.Straha said:I know abotu that dune movie but perhaps in this TL Peter Jackson does for dune what he did for LOTR in OTL.
Dave Howery said:D&D came along at a time when fantasy was on an upswing, due to renewed interest in both LOTR and the Conan stories in the 70's. Say that LOTR isn't as focused as it was, with too many divergences into poetry, songs, and previous lore, to the neglect of the central story, so it is a failure as a set of novels. Say that Conan never emerged from the pulp magazines, being forgotten when that era ended. Stop LOTR, and you stop Shannara and all the other copycat fantasy writers. Stop Conan and you stop a whole lot of other copycat writers. That'd do the trick...
Malory was actually virtually unknown until relatively recently. Spenser (on whom Malory is the great unacknowledged influence) was the main Arthurian reference for the 17th Century, and he fell out of favour quite quickly after the Civil War (when they all became terribly interested in religion).David S Poepoe said:I think Gygax tapped into a preexisting large fantasy base to begin with and D&D only increased it tremendously. Given the writings of Mallory about King Arthur and its continued influence in literature and the arts I doubt you could really discount the fantasy genre.