WI: Castilian-Portuguese union instead of Castilian-Aragonese union?

Let's say that instead of Castile and Aragon forming "Spain" in the 15th century, it's a union of Castile and Portugal that forms "Spain" instead. How would history change as a result?

For starters, without Castile tied to Aragon and its Italian orientation, the Spanish monarchy is tied up less in the volatile politics of Italy in the Renaissance. In addition, with Portugal now tied to its biggest possible rival on the colonial stage, Castile-Portugal might as well have a monopoly on exploration of the New World for quite a while, in addition to its hold on the circum-African trade routes.

Another interesting wrinkle is seeing how the Anglo-Portuguese alliance may be affected by Portugal's union with the larger, more tenable Castile.
 
Aragon was in a spot of bother in France around the time of Isabella and Ferdinand’s marriage in OTL. Without Castilian manpower they could experience a struggle to stay afloat. Castile and Portugal also probably aren’t as involved in European politics as otl.
 
Would their colonies be joint or separate? Portugal will want them be separate, at least at start. Will the Kingdom be Portugal with Castille or vice versa? Where will the king reside- Lisabon or Toledo? Main port- Lisabon or Seville? Who will be more important- more numerous Castille or will they be equal? How will they divide spoils in Grenada/Andalusia and North Africa?
 
Aragon was in a spot of bother in France around the time of Isabella and Ferdinand’s marriage in OTL. Without Castilian manpower they could experience a struggle to stay afloat. Castile and Portugal also probably aren’t as involved in European politics as otl.
It would be interesting to see a France which has control of most of the Mediterranean. Perhaps we would see Alt-Spain focus more on the Atlantic Ocean (and other oceans) while France focuses on the Mediterranean.
 
The way it's unified is important, based on how the marriages and successions shake out, and which house is the one that inherits both kingdoms. There's already one plausible way to unify if you have Juan I of Castile defeat the Portuguese at Albujarrota in 1385. A little earlier than what you're asking for regarding time frame, but that's already a very plausible POD.

I think once the House of Trastámara inherited the Crown of Aragon, the wheels were inexorably turning toward a Castile-Aragon union. Even if the House of Barcelona still goes extinct, if another family takes over that places more of a priority on the Mediterranean, Aragon might drift further and further away from any unnecessary entanglements with Castile.
 

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The Italian Wars look different, that's for sure. Spain can throw down with France over their Italian interests; Aragon cannot, so they're probably going to lose Naples and the question will become over whether Germany or France will have control of the north. If the CP Union butterflies away the Hapsburg marriage, that would remove Spain from the equation and give France a decisive advantage.
At their furthest extent, they could probably add Catalonia, Savoy and Milan to France proper, possibly along with Belgium if they have more success against the Hapsburgs and manage to claw back the entire Burgundian inheritance.
 
The Italian Wars look different, that's for sure. Spain can throw down with France over their Italian interests; Aragon cannot, so they're probably going to lose Naples and the question will become over whether Germany or France will have control of the north. If the CP Union butterflies away the Hapsburg marriage, that would remove Spain from the equation and give France a decisive advantage.
At their furthest extent, they could probably add Catalonia, Savoy and Milan to France proper, possibly along with Belgium if they have more success against the Hapsburgs and manage to claw back the entire Burgundian inheritance.
France becoming the sudden superpower of Europe as opposed to the Habsburgs would be an interesting wrinkle, considering France was already pretty strong in its own right. To an extent it was similar to post-Reconquista Spain in that it was fresh off of a conquest and needed avenues of pressure release, so to speak.
 

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Maybe a surviving Peter the cruel because his dynasty was very close to the portuguese because it his said that if the ivreas survive the relationship with Portugal will be good and those with Aragon will be terrible
 
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One obvious knock-on: Castile, as a partner in Portugal's very lucrative African and east Indian colonial empire, will have no reason to sponsor exploration to the west. "Iberia" will eventually discover Brazil, but expeditions to the Caribbean and Mesoamerica won't happen till the late 1500s, and with much less vigor than OTL.

By that time, French, English, and possibly Dutch or Scandinavian explorers will have found Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and New England. This exploration will also be slower, without the legend of Aztec and Inca treasure to incite adventures into the New World.
 
Aragon becomes the one weird spot in Iberia that never becomes part of Spain, and is the subject of many a thread by me asking how different is Aragonese from Spanish and why didn't the Spanish just annex them.


lmao post from a decade ago

You guys aren't understanding my point. What caused Portugal to not go the way of Aragon, or Castile, or Leon, or Navarre, or Galicia, or any other part of Spain that got incorporated? Just got lucky? Is it because of a historical quirk that the Iberian peninsula never unified?

Anyways, I ask this because I read this timeline where Portugal and Castile have united yet the north (León, Austuras, Navarre, and Aragón) is separate. Which kinda made me think- what causes Portugal to be any different from Aragon, in terms of category?
 
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Also, a Habsburg-Aragonese alliance against France seems very likely.
In that respect it's just the problem with having a common expansionist neighbor.
The big difference is that Aragon doesn't have Castile's military power or territory to draw on, so it's weaker and more vulnerable to French attack.
As I said above, this is most likely enough to tilt the balance in favor of France.

Aragon was what pulled Castilian Spain into the Italian Wars, and it was thanks to the Castilians that the Spanish war effort continued for a long time.
Aragon sans Castile will lose that fight. Due to this, France can also start investing in colonies earlier than IOTL, because IOTL while Spain and Portugal were busy carving up the New World, France was busy in Italy and then later with the French Wars of Religion.
 

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Maybe they could loose Naples, but keep Sardinia and Sicily?
That pretty much depends on luck, considering the power of the French war machine around 1500. Barring any strange or unlucky events, I'd expect French puppets in Sicily, Naples and Milan, with Savoy added to the French domain directly.
 
I think once the House of Trastámara inherited the Crown of Aragon, the wheels were inexorably turning toward a Castile-Aragon union. Even if the House of Barcelona still goes extinct, if another family takes over that places more of a priority on the Mediterranean, Aragon might drift further and further away from any unnecessary entanglements with Castile.

Wouldn't a surviving Miguel de Paz + Ferdinand having a son with Germaine of Foix work for this scenario?
 
Wouldn't a surviving Miguel de Paz + Ferdinand having a son with Germaine of Foix work for this scenario?
Or rather have Isabella of Aragon have a son with Alfonso of Portugal and have Ferdinand marry Germaine, Ferdinand hates John II of Portugal and his line.
 
Let's say that instead of Castile and Aragon forming "Spain" in the 15th century, it's a union of Castile and Portugal that forms "Spain" instead. How would history change as a result?

For starters, without Castile tied to Aragon and its Italian orientation, the Spanish monarchy is tied up less in the volatile politics of Italy in the Renaissance. In addition, with Portugal now tied to its biggest possible rival on the colonial stage, Castile-Portugal might as well have a monopoly on exploration of the New World for quite a while, in addition to its hold on the circum-African trade routes.

Another interesting wrinkle is seeing how the Anglo-Portuguese alliance may be affected by Portugal's union with the larger, more tenable Castile.
The only option I see is a definitive Portuguese victory in the battle of Toro, putting in the Castillian throne Joanna la Beltraneja. Probably the Castillian nobles allied to Portugal would gain influence and power in the Castillian realm, they could bring the Libro de las Leyes/Siete Partidas has the way to rule Castille curtailing any attempt to centralize power there. So, in my opinion, Castille would be in the hands of powerfull nobles, and this could be exploited by the future monarchs to keep Portugal has the powerfull partner in this relationship, pitting noble interests against each other.

Regarding colonial affairs, at least the Americas, being discovered by Columbus or Cabral, trade would be open and without main ports, the Casa de Contratación would not exist, so probably to trade American goods one would make a form tribute to the King has it was in Portugal. Indias would be under the Casa da India so probably centralized in Lisbon and under the Cartaz System.

No wars against other Europeans, probably France if Aragon seeks any form of union to protect itself, and open trade, probably even with Dutch and English like OTL Portugal, and a mare clausum in India would be my bet. The dutch would be more manufacture centered regarding its economy focus, and the trade companies could not join to form VOC, being better to keep good relations with this Spain that would be more colonial ambitious, probably having a stronger fleet, than risk embargo.

The English are a bit of a wild card, diplomatic envoys os D. Sebastião complained in London of piracy activities on Guinea Coast already on 1570s so England could be more agressive than OTL, and become the problem the Dutch were to the Portuguese.

The biggest capital sink of this union would be probably the North African forts and incursions there, the Portuguese started to abandon then around 1550s, only controlling Mazagan, Ceuta and Tangier later.
 
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