WI Canada retains CV capability?

Status
Not open for further replies.
You might be surprised to learn that I agree with you, Russell. But what used mid-sized carriers are available for usage in 1992-93? The American supercarriers and the Ukrainian Varyag, but that's about it. The Clemenceau is smaller, but the French didn't retire those for a few years yet, and the fact that they did retire them when they did is somewhat surprising, considering that Charles de Gaulle, with its endless technical issues, wasn't fully ready for service when Foch was sold to the Brazilians in 2000. In addition, with the Canadian Forces being the size it is, it couldn't easily form two battle groups and still have adequate defense at home.

I was actually thinking more of the Midway class Carrier. Although they are about 10 years older than the Forrestal class (actually being contemporaries of Eagle and Ark Royal) they weigh in at only 45,000 tonnes and despite being almost 10,000 tonnes less than said Eagle/Ark Royal, they actually can carry a larger aircraft complement (45-55 as opposed to around 35-45). On top of that, the Midways in their original configuration only had a crew of around 4000 as opposed to the 5500 you said for the Forrestal. With modernisation, that could easily be reduced to around 2500.

On top of all this, it is important to note that the U.S. navy, unlike that of Britain, tends to take better care of their ships. This is mostly due to the fact that Britain has a small fleet but big commitments and has a habbit of working their ships to death. The U.S. navy on the other hand has a much larger fleet in comparison to their commitments and so puts less stress on their ships throughout their operational career and spends more on maintaining them at the same time. They also build their ships better, spending more money on military quality builds whereas in Britain, commercial quality builds are often used making the vessels of much poorer quality. In essence, when bought in 1992/1993, the Midway would most likley be in a much better condition than even Eagle was when purchased back in the 1970's.

Perhaps most important of all, the last two remaining ships of this class were retired to reserve in 1990 (USS Coral Sea) and 1992 (USS Midway). America would more more than happy, especially in the post-Cold War disarmament to make a little cash on their cold war projects AND help spread the costs of defending the North American continent.

Midway Class Aircraft Carrier:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midway_class_aircraft_carrier

USS Midway:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Midway_(CV-41)

USS Coral Sea:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Coral_Sea_(CV-43)


Anyway, I don't mean to be critical and I hope I don't come across in that way. I'm loving your TL and hope to see more of it. BTW, hows that Royal Canadian Marine Corps coming along?

Russell
 
No worries Russell, I do notice the difference between constructive criticism and somebody popping off. I always listen to people who have good ideas. :)

Midway and Coral Sea at their decommissionings were in the 74,000-ton ballpark when fully loaded, as opposed to the Forrestal class was about 82,000 tons fully loaded, so the difference there between them and the Forrestal class vessels is kinda small. In addition, the Midway class were poor seaboats and had a difficult time launching aircraft in rough seas, whereas the Forrestal class were much better in this regard. And yes, you are correct on the worn condition of many British ships. That was part of the reason Eagle spent 30 months in dry dock after she arrived in Canada - fixing and working on it. Eagle, with her successor known to be on the way, will be going on one last deployment after her damage is repaired. I expect to decommission it in late 1994 or early 1995, hence leaving about a 18-month gap between Eagle's retirement and Warrior's arrival.

BTW, The Marine Corps will be formed after Somalia and Rwanda, after the lessons of them have sunk in somewhat. Rwanda, however, will be one of the Canadian Forces' proudest hours......
 
1994 (Part 1) - Somalia had been a tough go for the Canadian Forces, but it had been that way for everybody else. It didn't take long for the Americans to realize the disaster they had caused killing many of the clan elders in Mogadishu, and made it clear that they would never have that happen again.

On January 1, 1994, the Canadian Marine Corps and Canadian Special Operations Regiment were formed on paper, though the units were not yet ready to be deployed and training continued. The British SAS were instrumental in the training of the Special Operations Division, which led to the unit being known as the 'Canadian SAS' among its members, something which grew to the media, many outlets of which quite openly liked the idea of Canada's most elite military troopers being compared to the legendary Special Air Service. Britain's trainers pointed out that Canada's First Special Service Force had quite a record in World War II and that there had been a Canadian SAS in the late 1940s as Canada's Airborne Regiment got going. The 1st Canadian Marine Regiment was activated as an active combat unit on May 1, 1994, based at CFB Kawartha Lakes, a new base built specifically for the Marines on Sturgeon Lake near Bobcaygeon, Ontario.

But even before that all happened, The tiny nation of Rwanda released one of the worst bouts of violence anyone had ever seen......

Operation Messiah - The Intervention in Rwanda (April 17, 1994 - June 25, 1994) - Rwanda, a tiny nation once controlled by Belgium, had been the scene of decades of violence and animosity. This had started under the Belgians, who had quite openly used a divide and conquer strategy in Rwanda. The Belgians had favored the smaller Tutsi minority, knowing that the larger Hutu tribes would overrun them if they didn't work with the Belgians. After independence, violence had flared repeatedly in Rwanda and neighboring Burundi, costing many lives on several occasions.

A long, bitter civil war had ended in Rwanda in late 1993, but the hatred towards Tutsi Rwandans had been fueled for years before. The hatred towards the Tutsis was not unknown to them, but the massive Rwandan militia and Army did concern the UN peacekeepers. First deployed in August 1993, Dallaire's forces consisted of 2,550 military personnel and 60 civilian police, enough to handle the situation as it was. With the situation tensing up, Dallaire made plans to seize weapons caches held by the Intrahamwe militia, but the UN turned down that request, along with one to investigate the murder of the Minister of Public Works in Kigali in February.

But on April 6, 1994, a surface to air missile shot down a jet carrying both the Presidents of Rwanda and Burundi. This was the spark that set off the firestorm. Dallaire's forces initially tried to control things, but the Rwandan Armed Forces refused to work with Dallaire. The UN force tried to escort the Prime Minister to assist in her duties, but the Rwandan Presidential Guard instead fired on the UN soldiers, killing ten Belgian troops, three Canadians and a number of Rwandans. Within hours, the genocide was real.

Dallaire, himself wounded in the attack, sent a distress call to the UN for help, but the UN states initially didn't respond. When word of this hit Ottawa on April 10, the Canadian Forces, knowing the extremism and needing to fix the situation now before hundreds of thousands died, openly asked Prime Minister Charest for a go on the mission. The brutality of the situation soon reached the media, which turned the public opinion.

US President Bill Clinton, still smarting from the failures in Somalia, made it clear that the US would not intervene and actually called for the removal of UN forces from Rwanda. This hit Ottawa on April 15, and it caused one of the biggest gambles anybody had ever seen.

On the night of August 16, Prime Minister Charest addressed the nation, asking for support to intervene in Rwanda. "One of the primary goals we have as humans is to help one another, and one of Canada's goals through its modern history has been the idea of peacekeeping, stopping conflict and saving innocents from the brutality of war. In the African nation of Rwanda, a Canadian general and his forces are trying to contain what could end up being the worst genocide since Hitler, and he's asked for our help. I think that we as Canadians, as humans, should go and help him as best we can. We all said to ourselves in 1945 'Never Again', and now we must make good that promise."

The next morning, Charest announced the dpeloyment orders. Dallaire would get 3,500 troops, mostly from the Canadian Airborne Regiment and the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, to stop the violence as best they could. When asked by a Reuters reporter whether the Canadians would stop if the Americans didn't move, Charest bravely responded "We do not care what President Clinton decides to do. We're going. We have to."

The first Canadian Forces troops were flown in, and arrived at the Kigali airport on April 23, with only light weapons. Eighteen Air Canada airliners are used for this mission, and the Canadian peacekeepers already there assisted with the unloading of aircraft. The Forces leased five Ukrainian Antonov An-124 airlifters to get their vehicles, including sixteen M113 APCs and four Leopard C1 tanks. The first An-124 carried just paratroopers, worried that the UN force could not hold the airport in Kigali until the reinforcements arrived and that they would have to jump out, but this did not turn out to be neccessary. The Canadians' arrival in Kigali had made an impact in the UN - Belgium's UN contingent never left as the government had thought about doing, and Clinton, now ashamed by the decision of Charest and the Canadians to go it alone, ordered the USAF to fly in the Canadians' heavy equipment, which included 90 M113 armored personnel carriers and twelve Leopard C1 tanks. The first Canadian actions included shooting down four Rwandan helicopters carrying armed militiamen into Butare province, where relative calm existed. The Canadians took fifteen casualties (including nine dead) in the first week, but their efforts dramatically began to reduce the violence. Dallaire was relieved by Lieutenant-General Rick Hillier, who had commanded the operation in Somalia and practically begged to take over the mission, on May 5. By the end of May, the situation was getting under control.

UNAMIR re-established peace officially on June 25, 1994. The genocide had taken some 175,000 lives, but the efforts of the Canadians, followed rapidly by the Belgians, Americans, British and others, saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Dallaire's brave efforts and personal command of missions - including one where he was hit twice by gunfire - earned him the Canadian Victoria Cross, which was also awarded to four other Canadian Forces members, three of them posthumously. 29 Canadians died in the intervention and 76 were wounded, nine of them being permanently disabled. But the intervention had saved many lives, and between that and Canada's honest, earnest efforts in South Africa at Somalia earned them the reputation as being one of the countries that people could rely on to be there and to do the right thing. Hillier would go on to command UNAMIR until late 1997, when he cycled home. Dallaire would become the Forces' Chief of Staff in 1998, a position he held until 2003.

The intervention drove support for the Forces in Canada into the sky and also powered forth Charest's approval rating, which reached as high as 82% in the summer of 1994. The PPCLI and Airborne Regiment were relieved in July by the Canadian Marine Corps and the Royal 22e Regiment allowed the Pats and the Airborne Troops to go home, for the former being their first operational deployment. The USAF, at Clinton's orders, supported the Canadians' efforts lavishly, including moving Canadian equipment and supplies at no cost to them. Clinton's would go on to say that Charest's decision to go regardless was astoudingly brave, but that it was the right thing to do. It was the first operation where the Canucks did exactly the right thing at the right thing, but it would not be the last.

1994 (Part 2) - Rwanda now stabilized, the Forces' image soared yet again. This on the home front shut up vitually all opposition to the plans for the Canadian Forces, because the public perception was that in the times after the Cold War, a strong military was needed to ensure both Canada's security and its place in the world.

On September 25, 1994, the MARCOM formally placed requests for a vessel which could deploy 2500 troops anywhere they were needed. The United States offered Canada a Wasp-class amphibious assault ship and a Harpers Ferry class dock landing ship, while the Europeans countered by offering to make Canada a full partner in their amphibious assault projects, allowing them to build as many as they wished in Canada, in return to assiting the development of them. France and the UK, both working on such projects, agreed to join forces for the Canadian offer. The British LPD(R) project was soon extended to Canada, and the Canadians rather liked the design of Britain's Albion class Landing Platform Docks.

On May 28, 1995, the Canadian Forces announced they would build two Albion class LPDs in Canada, with over 80% of the construction work being done in Canada and many Canadian components being integrated into the vessels. The amphibious assault duties were sorted out by this. The US made a last-ditch offer to donate two Iwo Jima-class helicopter assault ships, but the Canadians stayed with their fleet.

On the transport aircraft front, the battle between the Boeing/Lockheed and Airbus/Bombardier factions raged, with the Canadians Forces deciding between them. The final offers from Boeing included leasing seven USAF tankers as an interim solution, allowing the aging CC-137s to be retired, while an equal number of KC-767 tankers were built. In addition, Boeing would rebuild five ex-Air Canada Boeing 747-200M aircraft, with four of them serving as long-distance transports for troops and a fifth as a VIP aircraft for high-ranking Canadian Government officials. In addition, Canada would get 28 new-build Lockheed C-130 Hercules transport aircraft, but of the under development C-130J type, for delivery between 1998 and 2001. In addition, the KC-767s would be converted from white aircraft at a new facility to be built in Ontario, while the C-130CJ aircraft would use Pratt and Whitney Canada engines and Canadian electronics, and would be assembled in British Columbia.

Airbus countered by offering seven A330 tankers, along with converting four ex-Canadian Airlines A310s into the A310 MRTT for short-distance aircraft and three A340-300 airliners for long-distance transport usage, and Canada buying 21 examples of the Airbus A400M, the design of which was now under development. Airbus would have the A340 assembled and converted into tankers in Canada, and also offered to bring Canada into Airbus as a stakeholder and manufacture parts for civilian Airbus models in Canada. The Canadian involvement would also ensure that Pratt and Whitney's PW180, which was the preferred engine Airbus Military preferred for the A400M, would end up powering all A400M models sold outside France, which insisted on the usage of its SNECMA M138A2 turboprop.

The NDP supported the Airbus offer, pointing out that Canada stood to gain many thousands of civilian jobs after the military orders were filled, and that the usage of the PW180 engines by the A400M would provide thousands of jobs and would continue to provide them well after the aircraft were built. But the detractors, including the Liberals of the Airbus offer pointed out that Airbus' bid was $525 million more expensive than the Boeing/Lockheed offer, and that the A340 transporters, as good as they were, wouldn't match the immense Boeing 747s offered as part of Boeing's offer. The C-130J and A400M were both experimental offers, but the A400M was more of a technical risk, as the C-130J was based on a design that already existed and that Canadian pilots knew well.

Canadian Forces Chief of Staff John Rogers Anderson and the ruling Conservatives were torn. The A400M was a larger aircraft than the C-130J and more useful, and the idea of Airbus setting up shop in Canada was a big deal to the Canadian Government. Anderson, who had headed the project to buy nuclear submarines for the MARCOM, was also torn - he and the Air Command loved the C-130, but the A400M was more advanced and had a considerably longer range. Anderson proposed that the government go for the Airbus offer in November 1994, but as a consolation ask to not buy the A340 transporters, but instead buy a strategic airlifter from Boeing, proposing to buy four C-17 Globemaster IIIs as a consolation prize. Kim Campbell, now defense minister, asked Airbus if this was acceptable in January 1995, and Airbus replied that it was.

On March 15, 1995, the government announced its plan for the tanker and transport aircraft tenders. The plan would see six A330 tankers bought for the Canadian Forces, along with four A310s bought for shorter-range transport duties (Two aircraft, with a third bought later, would be set up as medical emergency aircraft), and 21 Airbus A400M tactical transport aircraft would be ordered. Canada also announced that they would order four C-17 Globemaster III strategic airlifters from Boeing, both for heavy transport duties and as a sort of consolation prize. At the time, the program was the largest single purchase in Canadian history, with a total order value estimated at $4.1 Billion Canadian dollars.

Airbus, true to form, announced the opening of a new facility in Mirabel, Quebec, in July 1995, at the Montreal-Mirabel airport, Canada's largest airport. The opening of the Airbus facility was a gift to the facility, which was siffering from falling traffic in comparison to Montreal's Dorval airport. A high-speed rail line, completed in 1997, would allow Mirabel to become an almost exclusively international airport, while domestic and some US flights used Dorval. In January 1996, the Pratt and Whitney Canada PW180 was selected as the engine for the A400M project.
 
I'm loving the CF-wank and the Tory-wank! Keep it coming TM! Glad a thread of mine inspired someone to do a TL. :D

It isn't really a Tory-wank - the survived the ass-whupping brought on them in 1993 in OTL simply because Charest did a major 180 on many of Mulroney's policies. (He and Charest were not on good terms after that ITTL, of course.) Charest will have his run, but the Liberals and NDP aren't that weak and the Reform Party is being their usual PITA, just like they were to Mulroney.

CF-wank I'll give ya, somewhat. :)
 
Damn...too bad this wasn't RL. All this happening and I definately would have joined up in RL...got as far as talking with a recruiter but my desired profession wasn't offered through RMC and that was the only officer route open then.

Can we have a segment on the Rangers in the north? All these new ships and troops and I can see Churchill/Yellowknife/Iqualiat being a much busier place. Maybe Nunavut gets a new militia unit for the navy on Baffin Island?

I see some of the A310's are converted into medical transports...does this mean DART will deploy faster?

What are the plans for resupply of ships and large armour movements...between the Gulf, Rwanda, and Somalia Canada has moved alot of APC and tanks around which makes one wonder about how long it is before we own a pure supply ship?

You mentioned that the army will be in Bosnia....but with the PPCLI, 22nd, Airborne Reg. and Canadian Marine Corp deploying to Rwanda...that's alot of drops deployed or ready to leave. Do the reserves get a limited mobilization order issued in order to have the reg. forces on a ready deployment order? e.g. Calgary Highlanders are to mobilize one company for deployment to Bosnia in 18 months? Western LFA to mobilize one militia battalion for deployment in 12 months?

Lots of questions...but great read!
 
I've always liked the idea of Canada using some downright weird custom stuff for the Arctic.

There was a painting I saw a few years ago of such a thing. The Canadians featured were wearing jackets with a wolf's head insignia. Forgot who painted it. My gut instinct says Luis Royo, but I could be wrong.
 
No worries Russell, I do notice the difference between constructive criticism and somebody popping off. I always listen to people who have good ideas. :)

Don't worry. If i'm arguing with you it only means that you have caught my interest!:)
 
1994 (Part 1) -The Forces leased five Ukrainian Antonov An-124 airlifters to get their vehicles, including sixteen M113 APCs and four Leopard C1 tanks. The first An-124 carried just paratroopers, worried that the UN force could not hold the airport in Kigali until the reinforcements arrived and that they would have to jump out, but this did not turn out to be neccessary.

TheMann,

I'm curious about the use of Ukrainian An-124's. Is it feasible to lease an aircraft in the Ukraine, load it up with Canadian soldiers, then send plane and paratroopers into a possible combat jump? Also, who is flying the An-124's?
 
TheMann,

I'm curious about the use of Ukrainian An-124's. Is it feasible to lease an aircraft in the Ukraine, load it up with Canadian soldiers, then send plane and paratroopers into a possible combat jump? Also, who is flying the An-124's?

They are leased An-124s, operated by hired Ukrainian pilots, similar to the deal that the CF used getting DART to Sri Lanka in 2004. They hadn't originally planned to jump, but with how crazy the situation in Rwanda is becoming, the Ukrainians probably would prefer they jumped out rather than potentially have the aircraft destroyed by landing into a militia trap.
 
Can we have a segment on the Rangers in the north? All these new ships and troops and I can see Churchill/Yellowknife/Iqualiat being a much busier place. Maybe Nunavut gets a new militia unit for the navy on Baffin Island?

Nunavut doesn't exist yet, let's not forget, and at this time the Northwest Passage is not the biggest deal because its still frozen for much of the year. As it opens up into a possible travel route, that will change, of course. Canada does consider the NW Passage its territorial waters ITTL, and Russia, the United States and Denmark all know it. The SSK program will get rebooted in the early 2000s as the Oberons finally are retired, and between them and the nuclear subs there will be Canadian vessels up in the Arctic. I have the idea of a full-blown CF base at Iqaluit, to service CF Naval vessels in the Arctic.

I see some of the A310's are converted into medical transports...does this mean DART will deploy faster?

You bet. The fact that we had to hire the Ukrainians to get DART to Sri Lanka was an open embarassment, one which won't happen again. That's why the C-17s were ordered, and the KC-767s have a boom refueler system. Between them and the A310s, DART will be able to move much faster than in OTL.

What are the plans for resupply of ships and large armour movements...between the Gulf, Rwanda, and Somalia Canada has moved alot of APC and tanks around which makes one wonder about how long it is before we own a pure supply ship?

It's on deck. Not the fast sealift ship brought up in the plan. Two landing platform docks are ordered in 1995 and delivered in 2000, and the Sealift Ship - I'm thinking something along the lines of the American Algol class, but with gas turbine engines instead of the steam turbines used by Algol class ships. As for resupply vessels for the fleet, the three we have are being used pretty hard, which means their replacements will be early 21st Century. I'm thinking in this regard of Canada buying a pair of double-hulled Panamax-size tankers and refitting them to be supply vessels.

You mentioned that the army will be in Bosnia....but with the PPCLI, 22nd, Airborne Reg. and Canadian Marine Corp deploying to Rwanda...that's alot of drops deployed or ready to leave. Do the reserves get a limited mobilization order issued in order to have the reg. forces on a ready deployment order? e.g. Calgary Highlanders are to mobilize one company for deployment to Bosnia in 18 months? Western LFA to mobilize one militia battalion for deployment in 12 months?

The PPCLI rotated home after just a few months along with the Airborne Regiment, with the 1st Marine Corps and 22nd remaining in Rwanda to sort things out. They won't be there long either, just until UNAMIR can get enough international help to relieve the Canadian Forces there. Some of them will remain, but most of the units involved in Rwanda will be back home by early 1995.

As for the reserves, I've been thinking about that one and looking at the amount of usage the regular guys are getting. Between Iraq, South Africa, Somalia and Rwanda they are getting tired I'd imagine. I hadn't really considered it, but it might make sense in this case. I admittedly haven't done enough research on the Highlanders, but could they be deployed to Bosnia as an interim solution while the regular force guys get a bit of a rest?

Lots of questions...but great read!
 

MacCaulay

Banned
They are leased An-124s, operated by hired Ukrainian pilots, similar to the deal that the CF used getting DART to Sri Lanka in 2004. They hadn't originally planned to jump, but with how crazy the situation in Rwanda is becoming, the Ukrainians probably would prefer they jumped out rather than potentially have the aircraft destroyed by landing into a militia trap.

And kind of like the helicopters we were using in Afghanistan when I was there: there weren't any CF helos on the ground at the time, so we were using Polish Mi-8s.
 
And kind of like the helicopters we were using in Afghanistan when I was there: there weren't any CF helos on the ground at the time, so we were using Polish Mi-8s.

Yep. ITTL, once those C-17s and the sealift ship are in attendance, that won't be happening again.
 
Why not have the Canadians create their own Amphibious Ready Group for the CMC at some point on down the road?
 
Why not have the Canadians create their own Amphibious Ready Group for the CMC at some point on down the road?

Why do you think their base is on a big lake, Wolfman? :D The Canadian Marines are gonna get that.

The final Maritime Command is going to have three groups - the Carrier Battle group set up around HMCS Warrior, the Amphibious Assault Group set up around the Sealift Ship and the two LPDs and the Coastline Protection Group, which will be almost entirely made up of patrol vessels and SSK submarines. (The SSNs will be with the battle groups - one SSN with each, plus one always ready to go if needed.) The MARCOM will also be co-ordinating with icebreakers and other units, so that CF units can use the Northwest Passage to transfer between bases, which is much quicker and easier than going around the Americas - Warrior is too large to use the Panama Canal, don't forget. This is still a number of years away, mind you.

On the army front, the CF IRL at this point had three regular force infantry regiments and four armor regiments, plus the airborne regiment. Here, I'm gonna re-activate the Black Watch and the Voltigeurs de Quebec, and we have the Canadian Marine Corps and the Canadian SAS as well. This messes with the order of Precedence somewhat, but with Quebec in mind I want to have two of the five Regular Force units be the Quebecers.
 
Nunavut doesn't exist yet, let's not forget, and at this time the Northwest Passage is not the biggest deal because its still frozen for much of the year. As it opens up into a possible travel route, that will change, of course. Canada does consider the NW Passage its territorial waters ITTL, and Russia, the United States and Denmark all know it. The SSK program will get rebooted in the early 2000s as the Oberons finally are retired, and between them and the nuclear subs there will be Canadian vessels up in the Arctic. I have the idea of a full-blown CF base at Iqaluit, to service CF Naval vessels in the Arctic.
My thought was that the Nunavut discussions are taking place. As it will be a territory the Innuit would be holding out for a Innuit based regiment partly as a means of providing a national and cultural protection of their native lands. Some submarine patrols by Canadian vessels and NW passage escots could lead to a small boat navy based up there similar to OTL discussions. Either way...a random idea for you.



It's on deck. Not the fast sealift ship brought up in the plan. Two landing platform docks are ordered in 1995 and delivered in 2000, and the Sealift Ship - I'm thinking something along the lines of the American Algol class, but with gas turbine engines instead of the steam turbines used by Algol class ships. As for resupply vessels for the fleet, the three we have are being used pretty hard, which means their replacements will be early 21st Century. I'm thinking in this regard of Canada buying a pair of double-hulled Panamax-size tankers and refitting them to be supply vessels.
Nice to see and could be a good fit to the shipyard orders post frigate construction. Plus it's a less hostile military purchase so can be better supported by the peace-nik's crowd.


The PPCLI rotated home after just a few months along with the Airborne Regiment, with the 1st Marine Corps and 22nd remaining in Rwanda to sort things out. They won't be there long either, just until UNAMIR can get enough international help to relieve the Canadian Forces there. Some of them will remain, but most of the units involved in Rwanda will be back home by early 1995.

As for the reserves, I've been thinking about that one and looking at the amount of usage the regular guys are getting. Between Iraq, South Africa, Somalia and Rwanda they are getting tired I'd imagine. I hadn't really considered it, but it might make sense in this case. I admittedly haven't done enough research on the Highlanders, but could they be deployed to Bosnia as an interim solution while the regular force guys get a bit of a rest?

I used the Calgary Highlanders as they offered at one point to deploy a full company to Afghanistan if the whole company could go...this contridicted current manning practices of using reserve personnel and a portion of the company was sent as individuals instead. Bosnia IIRC had the last tour consist entirely of reserve force troops.

The big question in my mind is that if the reserves are there partly as force generation in case of the Armed Forces expansion then why is there not a limited expansion by either a unit or Command Authority area in the case of long term deployments such as Bosnia, Cyrus or Afghanistan IOTL. By tasking a mission for the first 3? 5? cycles with Reg. forces makes sense due to the numbers and readiness levels available but longer term making it a more spread out work load and keeping a reserve of trained, ready to go troops for that next unexpected event.

The other advantage of using reserve troops is the recognition of local people wearing Canadian uniforms. Growing up in north Alberta veterns were common..but almost all had served in WW2. The response from the community once they realized some younger people joined up was amazing especially once they returned to pay their respects to the older veterns...those serving today is who people tend to follow more and their actions as they can relate better. Check out the differences in local support for the troops in a place such as Edmonton (with the garrison right in the city) and Vancouver (with no nearby base). Okay...that ignores lots of other stuff going on but given the actions in Rwanda keep the local support a'rolling.

Any ideas on moving/amalgamating reserve units to better match the change in canadian demographics? 1.7 million people in north alberta..2 militia units. See also Prince George, Rupert, Yellowknife (okay 4th Bat. PPCLI - Loyal Edmonton Regiment is supposed to stand up a company there) etc...
 
1995 - Canada spent 1995 with a far risen sense of pride, set up with regard to both the forces and its role in the world. That started early, when Canada was put on the United Nations Security Council. This was a non-permanent seat, but as Japan, Germany and Brazil were agitating for a permanent seat for themselves, commentators in Canada and abroad were talking about the UN giving Canada a permanent seat on the UNSC, as the Canucks were the backbone of the UN's Peacekeeping programs - proven in Cyprus, Rwanda, South Africa and Somalia.

On March 26, 1995 an era ended in one regard - HMCS Eagle, with its successor being rebuilt in Saint John, was decommissioned in Vancouver after returning from assisting relief efforts after Japan's Great Hanshin Earthquake. The Eagle had been Canada's flagship for two decades, and the flag was transferred, temporarily, to HMCS Ontario, the lead ship of the Ontario-class of missile destroyers. But the Forces knew full well that the successor to Eagle was on her way, and that the now 52-year-old aircraft carrier had done its duty to Great Britain and Canada wth strength and honour. Eagle would not again leave Vancouver, becoming a museum and in time a Vancouver landmark.

The closing of the transport and tanker aircraft deals happened in the first six months of 1995, leading to some commentators saying that Canada was spending far too much on the Forces' re-equipping. The supporters of the Forces pointed out that Canada's peacekeeping roles required the ability to keep a strong defense, and also pointing out that the peacekeeping role that Canada had set out for itself. Opinion polls show support for Charest's plans to rebuild the Canadian Forces run at between 60 and 70 percent, enough that even the opposition Liberals and NDP are supporters of it. They are also placated by the fact that Canada can, and does, maintain many thousands of jobs in the defense industries.

June 1995 saw the CF re-organize some portions of it, partly out of neccessity and partly to recognize the changing face of the Forces. These included formally adding the Canadian Special Operations Regiment and the Canadian Marine Corps to the order of battle.

Two additional infantry regiments, the Royal Highland Regiment of Canada, commonly known as the Black Watch, and the Voltigeurs de Quebec were to be returned to the Regular Force, supplementing the Royal Canadian Regiment, PPCLI and Royal 22nd Regiment. They were to be reactivated by the end of 1996. In addition, the 8th Canadian Hussars and the Ontario Regiment of the Royal Canadian Armored Corps were to be returned to the Regular Force. This was to happen by the end of 1999, as in that time the country would refit the regiments with the new armored vehicles proposed in 1991. The Ontario Regiment would also get a new HQ, as its home base in Oshawa, Ontario, was insufficient for its new duties. But the demolition of a power plant in Oshawa in 1995 gave an opportunity to build a new armory, which opened in June 1998.

With this in mind, the next task for the procurement officers was to get that new armor, and on July 2, 1995, the requests for information went out to various countries for new tanks, armored personnel carriers and support vehicles.

The Americans responded first, offering to provide Canada with M1A2 Abrams main battle tanks, M2 Bradley IFVs and upgraded M113 APCs. Realizing that the Canucks were their best allies and that sharing the cost of defending North America was beneficial to the United States, the gear offered to Canada was of the latest specs and had all the toys and additional pieces US Army forces had.

The European proposals had a few issues. Co-ordination didn't happen on the tank front, which resulted in three separate offers of Challenger 2, Leopard 2 and Leclerc tanks all being offered. Britain, Germany and France all offered their best units.

On tank front, Canadian crews tested the Abrams, Challenger 2 and Leopard 2. The three tanks were very similar in terms of absolute performance, and all three carried the immense Rheinmetall 120mm L/55 gun, which meant that all three could use the best ammunition available. With the German Army Shrinking, it also meant that Leopard 2s could be bought at fairly cheap prices.

On the APC front, the durability of the Bradley, as well as its wicked TOW missiles, was enough to convince Canada to buy them as armored recon vehicles. General Motors of Canada offered to themselves soup up Canada's M113 APCs, and the Swiss offered to allow the MOWAG Piranha to be built in Canada, and it was also pointed out that variants of the Piranha series had served Canada since 1976 and had done so quite satisfactorily.

The final order, announced on March 23, 1996, would see Canada buy:

- 232 Leopard 2 main battle tanks (these are ex-Landwehr units, but retrofitted with extra environmental systems and electronics)
- 140 M2 Bradley IFVs
- 765 LAV III IFVs (these would be built in Canada, and 175 of them would have propellers and trim vanes for amphibious usage)
- 56 AAV-7A1 amphibious assault vehicles (these would be used by the Canadian Marine Corps)
- 560 upgraded M113 APCs

With the order, the older Grizzly AVGPs would be relegated to artillery gun tractors and mobile repair teams, while the 8-wheeled Bison vehicles would be used as Mortar vehicles, ambulances and electronic warfare vehicles. The automotive upgrades to the M113s would also be used on the 66 ADATS air defense vehicles bought in the 1990s. The Leopard C1s and older M113s would be given to the reserve units, in order to be used if needed. The purchase, costing $3.9 Billion, would see the vehicles delivered between late 1996 and 2000.

In politics, June 24 for Canada is a big day in terms of the peacekeeping effort in South Africa. President Mandela in South Africa had fought hard to keep the bitter sides in the war-torn nation from hating each other, and one way to do that had been to get something the nation could rally around. On June 24, Mandela's wish was answered, as South Africa's Springboks took down the dominant New Zealand All Blacks to win the Rugby World Cup, and causing spontaneous partying across the nation. UNMISA would go on to note that the Federal Republic of South Africa would be far more peaceful after that, to the point that the mission would eventually be suspended in 1998 and ended altogether in 2000. Deputy Prime Minister John Crosbie was at the game, and he called it "One of the great moments that define human history."

In terms of Canadian politics, the victory of the Bloc Quebecois in the 1994 Quebec provincial elections brought with it a promise of a new referendum on Quebec's independence. But by early 1995, polls had made it quite clear that such a referendum would almost certainly fail, with polls saying almost 2-1 against separation. The PQ persisted anyways, calling a referendum for October 30, 1995. Charest, a Quebecer himself, angrily denounced the separatists. In an act of big political significance, Charest commented that the business of governing was a full load, and he asked his arch-rival, Liberal leader Jean Chretien, to lead the nationalist forces. This politically smart move drew angry fire from the Reform Party, who claimed that Chretien would offer more than Canada would give. This drew a rebuttal from NDP leader Ed Broadbent, who demanded of Reform leader Preston Manning "Why, sir, are you attempting to make political points out of separatism? You're fueling the separatists when you say such stupid things."

The federalist campaign had the edge from the start. One of the commentators, Chantal Hebert of the Toronto Star, commented that one of the reasons the Voltigeurs were revived as an active unit was to shut up the separatists, a charge denied by Charest. (Though years later he would admit that Hebert was right.) The decision to have the 22nd Regiment do a very public parade through Quebec City on arriving home from Rwanda in October 1995 and a naval exhibition in Montreal, led by HMCS Quebec, in September 1995 was widely considered to be a usage of the armed forces to fight separatism through showing off what Canada and Quebec could do.

The referendum was a big defeat for the separatists, with the vote being 64%-36% against separation. Quebec Premier Jacques Parizeau promptly resigned his position as Premier. The failure of the referendum would haunt the Bloc Quebecois in the years to come. The political success had an effect that Charest had clearly not fully considered - Chretien's prestige rose rather dramatically. At the end of 1995, all three of the major party leaders - Charest of the Conservatives, Chretien of the Liberals and Broadbent of the NDP - had job approval ratings in the 70% ballpark, while the star of Parti Quebecois leader Lucien Bouchard and Reform leader Preston Manning fell substantially.

The Forces again was called into action for real in 1995, though this time it was (for now) just the Air Command. In the Balkans, years of bitterness had broken out into a major war. On August 4th, the Croation Forces launched a major offensive into Bosnia and Herzegovina. But by this point, the UN had seen about enough of it. The Canadian Forces entered the equation, with a substantial number of the CF-187s originally used on board HMCS Eagle being deployed, along with thirty CF-184 Tomcats and four CC-137s on one of their final deployments. Launching from Italy, the Canadian Forces aircraft join Operation Deliberate Force. The worrisome threat from Serb fighters leads to the Tomcat deployment, but the CF-187s do the heavy lifting. One CF-187 is hit by a Serbian MANPAD but manages to make it home to base, though it crash-lands and is written off. The campaign succeeds in getting the sides to the negotiating table, which results in the Dayon Peace Agreements, signed on December 14, 1995. The Royal Canadian Regiment is soon ordered for deployment to the Balkans to keep the peace, returning to southern Europe for the first time since the battles on Cyprus in 1974 and 1975.
 
Sweet! The Canadian Tomcats get to flex their muscle! Will the Canadians think about operating them from HMCS Warrior (ex-Forrestal)? She's big enough to operate twenty-four of them comfortably, after all...
 
Top
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top