Why are there no two-legged predators?

Was at dinosaur museum with son and got to thinking. Dinosaurs like T-Rex and Allyosaurus and Velociraptor were all two legged. Fast, binocular vision, viscious.

How come mammels haven't developed a similar phenotype? Why are all mammelian predators four legged pouncers?

I'm not including apes, chimps, or humans, as these are not true carnivors, they're omnivores.
Well actually there is. But honestly, thank your gods that they haven't noticed us...yet.
You can consider this as a "good" joke, but can everyone really tell me that there isn't such a creatures? See old movie "Alone in the dark", so you have a hint what I'm talking about...
 

mojojojo

Gone Fishin'
It was fun when I was young, but now that I know a bit more about evolutionary biology, it's fairly ridiculous in parts. There are several groups of people online who've done better work than he did.
Who do you think is the best?
 
Who do you think is the best?

Unfortunately, the sites seem to be down, but the group behind the Spec World have done by far the best "world without man" evolutionary speculation. Usually such efforts tend eventually toward flights of fancy (very cool but unrealistic intellegent arboreal brachiating octopi come to mind), but if anything the Spec world was too grounded in reality.
 
Unfortunately, the sites seem to be down, but the group behind the Spec World have done by far the best "world without man" evolutionary speculation. Usually such efforts tend eventually toward flights of fancy (very cool but unrealistic intellegent arboreal brachiating octopi come to mind), but if anything the Spec world was too grounded in reality.
Oh, that sounds neat. What was the name of the effort? There might be a text-only cached version of the site somewhere.
 
Unfortunately, the sites seem to be down, but the group behind the Spec World have done by far the best "world without man" evolutionary speculation. Usually such efforts tend eventually toward flights of fancy (very cool but unrealistic intellegent arboreal brachiating octopi come to mind), but if anything the Spec world was too grounded in reality.

Spec is still up at another site...I'll try and find it later. I actually played a fairly large role in a planned revision of it to be more sensible and realistic, but we were burdened by the guy who controlled updates never having the time to upload edits, and that we didn't have any dedicated artists working on the project any more.
 

NothingNow

Banned
Spec is still up at another site...I'll try and find it later. I actually played a fairly large role in a planned revision of it to be more sensible and realistic, but we were burdened by the guy who controlled updates never having the time to upload edits, and that we didn't have any dedicated artists working on the project any more.
Spec was awesome. Could you post a link to the New site?

But Mojo, Oaf, Here's a Link to the Old Site (Since I'm not sure where the New site is):http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0000265/Spec/index.html

It's too bad we don't have a Spec. Biology Board here, since everything is split between here and ASB.:(
 
All those details are merely incidental recent developments, though. They've had a huge impact but humans have only been pastoralists for the past few thousand years.

Essentially we're mammilian velociraptors- we use teamwork and tools coupled with our massive endurance to take much larger prey than many mammals our size. Remember- humans do have a lot more endurance than many animal species- we're specialised for long distance chases. Whack a spear into a bison and track it til it falls.

Also we have dogs.


My point was... Can we STILL be considered preditors? Maybe a few of the tribal pople left on the planet, but I sincerly doubt that most of us in both the west and east have what it takes to engage in a weeklong hunt, to stalk prey and eventually kill it using brute force. Perhaps this really has no bearing on the current topic being discussed, but I feel its a point worth mentioning.

Also I'd have to dissagree with your assessment that Humans are mammilliam velociraptors. Sure we use teamwork, so do other pack animals. Additionally, as far as we know Raptors didnt use tools, the giant talon on their foot used for eviceration was really all they need... that and teeth. No campfires, no storytelling tradition, nothing would really lead me to believe that velociraptors are anything like people save our common lust for blood and violence.

As a side note, I wonder if the the Frilled Neck Lizard, which is a strict carnevor could be considered somwhat of a biped, as it runs... nay, sprints on its hind legs.
 

Al-Buraq

Banned
Technically, we're opertunistic scavengers... but thing of it is, scavangers have to have much patience, and apes are not known for having it. Thus, we accelerate death.

Kiat has a point. Phillip Tobias, who has done more work than anyone else on early humans (not Sapiens) is of the opinion that early men were indeed scavengers, competing with hyenas for the left-over kill of Lions and similar, only hunting themselves opportunistically, like Chimps do today.
 
Kiat has a point. Phillip Tobias, who has done more work than anyone else on early humans (not Sapiens) is of the opinion that early men were indeed scavengers, competing with hyenas for the left-over kill of Lions and similar, only hunting themselves opportunistically, like Chimps do today.
It is worth noting that lions are scavengers as well. If it is ever the case of a pride running down their own zebra or driving a smaller predator off theirs, you can be damn sure which option they will take.

On the biped/quadruped debate can four legged predators run faster than two legged ones? If so then if four legged ones were around they would out compete their rivals.
 
On the biped/quadruped debate can four legged predators run faster than two legged ones? If so then if four legged ones were around they would out compete their rivals.
That was not always the case, though. Postosuchus was a giant four-legged carnivore in the early Triassic and apparently quite formidable, yet it was very clearly out-competed by early bipedal dinosaurs.
 

altamiro

Banned
Wouldn't bipedal stature lead to a larger field of view with the same body mass? Spotting the prey from larger distance can be a massive advantage too, especially in high grass/bush environments.
 
Wouldn't bipedal stature lead to a larger field of view with the same body mass? Spotting the prey from larger distance can be a massive advantage too, especially in high grass/bush environments.
Yes and that was how Niven's Kzin evolved. (They are giant orange pussy cats).
 

CalBear

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And that last steak you ate.. did you go out and kill the cattle/bison/whatever yourself and cook the meat shortly there after? ...

No. But the last couple ducks were very tasty, thank you. The Pheasants were, sadly, a bit dry.
 
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